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Post by sergeantynot on Feb 1, 2010 18:39:50 GMT -5
Krell isn't the same company it was 10 years ago. Still riding the name, but the amps are long gone. The same could be said for a lot of other big box brands, Pioneer and Sony come to mind. When I started seeing the build quality of $500 Pioneer Elite AVRs at Best Buy, I figured the company rep was on its way down.
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Post by Indycolts on Feb 1, 2010 20:13:21 GMT -5
I spent some time on the Polk site yesterday just to see what it was like since I had heard that they are pretty much ANTI-EMOTIVA. I am very happy to say that I am very glad to spend my time on the emo forum. I guess I really don't understand why you would want to bash something you either do not own or have never heard.
The Emo forum is more like family we are not here to bash other brands we are here to talk about our equipment. enough said.
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Post by Spiky on Feb 1, 2010 20:18:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't post at a Polk site since I don't like Polk sound even though I am a former owner (you think they don't like you!), but my question would be this:
If a Krell needs to be burned in for 200 hours, why isn't it before shipping? More than a week before you can use your new toy? Not.
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 1, 2010 22:57:44 GMT -5
what is the title of the thread at the polk site? I want to see it to get a laugh and maybe say a thing or two. They are a bunch of asses over there. ;D I've never been over at the Polk Site but I take it the diehards over there are like the Ducky Boys?
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Post by selkec on Feb 1, 2010 22:59:05 GMT -5
I spent some time on the Polk site yesterday just to see what it was like since I had heard that they are pretty much ANTI-EMOTIVA. I am very happy to say that I am very glad to spend my time on the emo forum. I guess I really don't understand why you would want to bash something you either do not own or have never heard. The Emo forum is more like family we are not here to bash other brands we are here to talk about our equipment. enough said. They are very anti Emotiva. I have been in several heated disputes with them over there. They do not believe that EMo is good. One of them said you cant compare Emo to krell or rotel or any expensive equipment. Its like comparing a BMW to a KIA. They all believe that if it does not cost alot then it cant be good. Talk down to people if Emo is mentioned. I hate that site. But I own all polk so thats why I visit it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 0:10:41 GMT -5
Kia? Now that is an insult! ;D (I'm thinkin about goin right over there and Pokin some of them in the mouth) I don't think I'm ever going to recommend Poke speakers again! ;D
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 2, 2010 0:27:14 GMT -5
I spent some time on the Polk site yesterday just to see what it was like since I had heard that they are pretty much ANTI-EMOTIVA. I am very happy to say that I am very glad to spend my time on the emo forum. I guess I really don't understand why you would want to bash something you either do not own or have never heard. The Emo forum is more like family we are not here to bash other brands we are here to talk about our equipment. enough said. They are very anti Emotiva. I have been in several heated disputes with them over there. They do not believe that EMo is good. One of them said you cant compare Emo to krell or rotel or any expensive equipment. Its like comparing a BMW to a KIA. They all believe that if it does not cost alot then it cant be good. Talk down to people if Emo is mentioned. I hate that site. But I own all polk so thats why I visit it. I can understand why they would think the Emo gear is akin to the BMW, but why on earth would they think Krell would come out as a KIA in that comparison? Hmmm, maybe because they both start with a "K"...
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Post by leo1 on Feb 2, 2010 10:07:22 GMT -5
i used to own a Krell 300r receiver and their 250CD player for my living room set-up (with Usher X-719 speakers) and after about 2 months i sold them both...the sound never "grabbed" me...it wasn't involving at all...the bass was decent, the soundstage was great, but it was missing the "soul"...i replaced them both with Electrocompaniet cd player and ECI-3 int amp...waaaay better!
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Post by Wideawake on Feb 2, 2010 11:00:45 GMT -5
I never cared much for Polk products (just my personal opinion and not intended to offend Polk owners) but I did not have a strong opinion one way or the other until now. I had never visited the Polk forum until today. After reading some of the totally inane and Emo disparaging threads from people who claim never to have heard Emo equipment, I am shocked that Polk would allow such drivel to be posted on their forums. I would be ashamed to be associated with such a company. What I find laughable is that most of the nay-sayers' arguments hinge on product pricing, suggesting that if a product is not expensive it cannot be worth considering. Amazingly, this same logic is not extended to the Polk products. Polk's flagship speaker, the LSi25 only costs $2800/pair - a pittance when compared to a range of high-end speakers available in the market.
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 2, 2010 11:20:37 GMT -5
Krell amps and pre/pro's are very laid back/refined and "dry" sounding. They have very, very low harmonic distortion, especially in the upper frequencies. Very much like Mark Levinson and Pass Labs products. Its not for everyone, most people who like their products are very/overly sensitive to high frequencies in general and want a very laid back and relaxed sound. I for one love their products, even their current offerings. But definetly not at the price points they retail for. Most people who are looking into products like Krell etc. aren't looking at Emo products..............different demographic altogether.
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Post by DYohn on Feb 2, 2010 11:28:31 GMT -5
I never cared much for Polk products (just my personal opinion and not intended to offend Polk owners) but I did not have a strong opinion one way or the other until now. I had never visited the Polk forum until today. After reading some of the totally inane and Emo disparaging threads from people who claim never to have heard Emo equipment, I am shocked that Polk would allow such drivel to be posted on their forums. I would be ashamed to be associated with such a company. What I find laughable is that most of the nay-sayers' arguments hinge on product pricing, suggesting that if a product is not expensive it cannot be worth considering. Amazingly, this same logic is not extended to the Polk products. Polk's flagship speaker, the LSi25 only costs $2800/pair - a pittance when compared to a range of high-end speakers available in the market. Polk is a long way from high-end, IMO.
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Post by ls7z06 on Feb 2, 2010 13:57:39 GMT -5
I just ordered my first set of Salk SongTower speakers. I will be transitioning out of Polks. I currently own... 1 set RTiA9's HT room 1 set RTiA7's HT room 1 set FXiA4's work shop 1 set FXiA6's HT room 1 CSiA6 HT room 1 set LSi9's Family room 1 set RTiA1's bedroom I MicroPro1000 sub work shop
Through the years I have owned quite a few other Monitor series Polks and several different Polk subs in addition to what I own today. I have always thought the speakers had good performance for the cost and have been a pretty loyal customer. But just like any brand, I am not married to them and there are always options. Seems like Salk is all the rave right now and the Polks are a little long in the tooth. I know that just because they have some loud mouth knuckle draggers on their forum, it does not mean the company is bad or they make bad products. Honestly, every forum might have a little of that. But what it did do, was cause me to start asking what else was out there, and I found something that I believe will be better for not a lot more dough.
I also read a speaker shoot out where the Salks won out and by the way.... they used Emo amps. I also spoke to Mr. Salk and he said they would work very well together. So I know it will be a good match.
Two new Salk SongTower QWT's and two new Emotiva UPA-1's now on order. I can't wait to hear it!
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 2, 2010 14:45:21 GMT -5
Is7z706
Congrats! The Salk Song Tower is a very nice speaker. Just make sure you mate a good musical sub woofer with them -- very weak low-end. Depending on your room, you will want to xcross them at about 60 to 70 Hz. The Emotiva UPA-1 amps should really make those Song Towers sing.
I am not the least bit surprised that Salk sounds great when paired with an Emotiva Mono-block. The Emotiva ERM-6.3 speakers sound very similar to the Song Towers, and they blew my mind when I first demo 'ed them. These two speakers have some of the best sounding mid-range performance in the business -- smooth as silk and very life-like. Both of these speaker systems would be on my short list of great musical speakers. The Salk Song Towers are also great "eye candy". ;D
Will the Song Towers be used in a 2-channel setup, HT or both? Which cabinet finish did you select? Did you have an opportunity to audition them? Get ready for some marathon listening sessions. You will have a hard time turning your system off while listening to such realistic sounding speakers.
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Post by troyd on Feb 2, 2010 19:09:44 GMT -5
TroyD from the Polk forum here....hope this finds all you Emotiva fans well!
I just wanted to point out a couple of things....maybe clear up a few misconceptions and maybe (or maybe not) make a few friends.
Now, in regards to the OP....ok, if you go to the Polk forum and look at a few of his posts, he doesn't know a heck of a lot about audio. I don't say that perjoratively, it's just a fact. That's ok, we were all there at one point and time.
I've owned a few Krell products and heard a few others besides....now, I'm not a Krell devotee but I can tell you that all of thier products share a fairly consistent 'sound'. What the OP describes ain't it. Not even close.....given these two facts, there are only a couple of options: one, the guy is deaf. two, he's trying to stir up the pot or three, the krell was broken. That's it, there aren't any more options. As far as burned at the stake....there is one known doucher and a couple of pointed comments. Hardly 'Burned at the stake'. Hardly.
Now, Emotiva is a controversial subject on the Polk Forum....and part of that is we do have some social rejects on our Forum (I'll get to that)....however, there are FAR worse out there (try Audio Asylum...they are inmates for a REASON!).....however, to be fair about it, there are some folks over there who are trying a little *too* hard to carry the Emotiva banner. In other words, there is more than enough douchebaggery to go around in this particular instance. Again, not passing judgement....I'm no saint...I'm just saying it is. Not to name names but there is a guy in this thread, who I don't even know calling us a bunch of asses. Pot, kettle, black....that whole thing.
Now, as to the Polk Forum. It has it's quirks and so forth to be sure. However, a LOT of people seem to be assimilated into the fold there without any sort of controversy....however, there are always a few that can't seem to get into the swing of things and immediately write it off as Polk is not a friendly place. Well, couple things...as I pointed out, a LOT of people assimilate there. Two, the Polk forum has been going on for 15 years with a number of us who have been around from day one. Yes, we have our own culture....and Polk is, for the most part, ok with that. When things get out of hand, they step in (most problems are handled out of the public eye). Whatever one may think....Polk's market share is doing quite well...and they dont' seem to view the forum as a detriment to that. So who am I to argue with success?
Again, lots of different personalities over there.....I think that's one thing that keeps CP going. Say what you want, it's never boring. We are also pretty diverse. Many of us don't even own Polk speakers for the most part. We have tube guys, solid state guys, flea-watt & horn guys, planar/stat guys....all kinds. A lot of us have a lot of experience with a lot of different products....from the high dollar items to the real 'giant killer' products....The one thing though is that I've NEVER seen someone post a legitimate first post and get sent to the firing squad. Never. Maybe some joshing and what not but NEVER seen someone indiscriminately run off. Matter of fact, there is an individual over there who posted a thread calling for more Moderation.....in his first post, there were two pages of people welcoming him to include a more senior member inviting him along (since he was fairly local) to a local audio event AND inviting him to his home to listen to his gear. A complete stranger. Imagine that.....and it's not all that uncommon....and in interesting factoid is that the guys who do these sorts of things the most are generally the more 'opinionated' of the bunch. I guess they figure that thier investment of time and resources into the furtherment of the forum gives them a little more leeway to be opinionated. Silly them.
Which leads me to Emotiva....and what specifically will grate nerves. If you come to me and tell me that Emotiva makes a good product, punches above it's weight even, good customer service etc etc. Cool. I might even want to give it a try. Outlaw is a good example....I'm a big fan, I've owned a few of thier products...as are the products that Roy Hall brings in from Eastern Europe. Good value products. Are they what I (and others) would consider as challenging state of the art? Not in this lifetime. They are excellent products at thier pricepoint......but true giant killers? Not so much. Now, could I be wrong? Sure, I probably could....however, the people jumping up and down making these claims tend to be people who have no real experience with the higher end products which they claim are no better than Emotiva.....see where I'm going with this? I had one individual try and tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about....that if he put an Emo amp in my system that I couldn't tell the difference, that I was just a blind fool...yada yada yada. Well, I beg to differ, I've spent years building this rig.....and I certainly don't think anyone is going to tell me those sorts of things without a pointed discussion ensuing. See where I'm going with this???
Anyhow, thanks for reading.....take care and happy listening. As a wise man once said....if it's yours and you enjoy it, isn't that the most important thing??
Cheers,
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Post by ls7z06 on Feb 2, 2010 20:12:57 GMT -5
Amazing.
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Post by lonnie on Feb 2, 2010 20:43:09 GMT -5
TroyD from the Polk forum here....hope this finds all you Emotiva fans well! I just wanted to point out a couple of things....maybe clear up a few misconceptions and maybe (or maybe not) make a few friends. Now, in regards to the OP....ok, if you go to the Polk forum and look at a few of his posts, he doesn't know a heck of a lot about audio. I don't say that perjoratively, it's just a fact. That's ok, we were all there at one point and time. I've owned a few Krell products and heard a few others besides....now, I'm not a Krell devotee but I can tell you that all of thier products share a fairly consistent 'sound'. What the OP describes ain't it. Not even close.....given these two facts, there are only a couple of options: one, the guy is deaf. two, he's trying to stir up the pot or three, the krell was broken. That's it, there aren't any more options. As far as burned at the stake....there is one known doucher and a couple of pointed comments. Hardly 'Burned at the stake'. Hardly. Now, Emotiva is a controversial subject on the Polk Forum....and part of that is we do have some social rejects on our Forum (I'll get to that)....however, there are FAR worse out there (try Audio Asylum...they are inmates for a REASON!).....however, to be fair about it, there are some folks over there who are trying a little *too* hard to carry the Emotiva banner. In other words, there is more than enough douchebaggery to go around in this particular instance. Again, not passing judgement....I'm no saint...I'm just saying it is. Not to name names but there is a guy in this thread, who I don't even know calling us a bunch of asses. Pot, kettle, black....that whole thing. Now, as to the Polk Forum. It has it's quirks and so forth to be sure. However, a LOT of people seem to be assimilated into the fold there without any sort of controversy....however, there are always a few that can't seem to get into the swing of things and immediately write it off as Polk is not a friendly place. Well, couple things...as I pointed out, a LOT of people assimilate there. Two, the Polk forum has been going on for 15 years with a number of us who have been around from day one. Yes, we have our own culture....and Polk is, for the most part, ok with that. When things get out of hand, they step in (most problems are handled out of the public eye). Whatever one may think....Polk's market share is doing quite well...and they dont' seem to view the forum as a detriment to that. So who am I to argue with success? Again, lots of different personalities over there.....I think that's one thing that keeps CP going. Say what you want, it's never boring. We are also pretty diverse. Many of us don't even own Polk speakers for the most part. We have tube guys, solid state guys, flea-watt & horn guys, planar/stat guys....all kinds. A lot of us have a lot of experience with a lot of different products....from the high dollar items to the real 'giant killer' products....The one thing though is that I've NEVER seen someone post a legitimate first post and get sent to the firing squad. Never. Maybe some joshing and what not but NEVER seen someone indiscriminately run off. Matter of fact, there is an individual over there who posted a thread calling for more Moderation.....in his first post, there were two pages of people welcoming him to include a more senior member inviting him along (since he was fairly local) to a local audio event AND inviting him to his home to listen to his gear. A complete stranger. Imagine that.....and it's not all that uncommon....and in interesting factoid is that the guys who do these sorts of things the most are generally the more 'opinionated' of the bunch. I guess they figure that thier investment of time and resources into the furtherment of the forum gives them a little more leeway to be opinionated. Silly them. Which leads me to Emotiva....and what specifically will grate nerves. If you come to me and tell me that Emotiva makes a good product, punches above it's weight even, good customer service etc etc. Cool. I might even want to give it a try. Outlaw is a good example....I'm a big fan, I've owned a few of thier products...as are the products that Roy Hall brings in from Eastern Europe. Good value products. Are they what I (and others) would consider as challenging state of the art? Not in this lifetime. They are excellent products at thier pricepoint......but true giant killers? Not so much. Now, could I be wrong? Sure, I probably could....however, the people jumping up and down making these claims tend to be people who have no real experience with the higher end products which they claim are no better than Emotiva.....see where I'm going with this? I had one individual try and tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about....that if he put an Emo amp in my system that I couldn't tell the difference, that I was just a blind fool...yada yada yada. Well, I beg to differ, I've spent years building this rig.....and I certainly don't think anyone is going to tell me those sorts of things without a pointed discussion ensuing. See where I'm going with this??? Anyhow, thanks for reading.....take care and happy listening. As a wise man once said....if it's yours and you enjoy it, isn't that the most important thing?? Cheers, BDT (of the Polk Forum BDT's) Greetings from the Emo forum and welcome. Hang out, have a good time and meet some great people. I think you will like being here as well.
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Post by troyd on Feb 2, 2010 20:44:52 GMT -5
Amazing, how?
Look, I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else. However, in your case, if you look at your posts and the questions that you ask......you don't know a lot about audio. I'm not saying you aren't intelligent, handsome or anything negative. There are LOTS of things I don't know about. It's not a character flaw.
As for the rest of it, I stand by it.
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Post by troyd on Feb 2, 2010 20:46:54 GMT -5
TroyD from the Polk forum here....hope this finds all you Emotiva fans well! I just wanted to point out a couple of things....maybe clear up a few misconceptions and maybe (or maybe not) make a few friends. Now, in regards to the OP....ok, if you go to the Polk forum and look at a few of his posts, he doesn't know a heck of a lot about audio. I don't say that perjoratively, it's just a fact. That's ok, we were all there at one point and time. I've owned a few Krell products and heard a few others besides....now, I'm not a Krell devotee but I can tell you that all of thier products share a fairly consistent 'sound'. What the OP describes ain't it. Not even close.....given these two facts, there are only a couple of options: one, the guy is deaf. two, he's trying to stir up the pot or three, the krell was broken. That's it, there aren't any more options. As far as burned at the stake....there is one known doucher and a couple of pointed comments. Hardly 'Burned at the stake'. Hardly. Now, Emotiva is a controversial subject on the Polk Forum....and part of that is we do have some social rejects on our Forum (I'll get to that)....however, there are FAR worse out there (try Audio Asylum...they are inmates for a REASON!).....however, to be fair about it, there are some folks over there who are trying a little *too* hard to carry the Emotiva banner. In other words, there is more than enough douchebaggery to go around in this particular instance. Again, not passing judgement....I'm no saint...I'm just saying it is. Not to name names but there is a guy in this thread, who I don't even know calling us a bunch of asses. Pot, kettle, black....that whole thing. Now, as to the Polk Forum. It has it's quirks and so forth to be sure. However, a LOT of people seem to be assimilated into the fold there without any sort of controversy....however, there are always a few that can't seem to get into the swing of things and immediately write it off as Polk is not a friendly place. Well, couple things...as I pointed out, a LOT of people assimilate there. Two, the Polk forum has been going on for 15 years with a number of us who have been around from day one. Yes, we have our own culture....and Polk is, for the most part, ok with that. When things get out of hand, they step in (most problems are handled out of the public eye). Whatever one may think....Polk's market share is doing quite well...and they dont' seem to view the forum as a detriment to that. So who am I to argue with success? Again, lots of different personalities over there.....I think that's one thing that keeps CP going. Say what you want, it's never boring. We are also pretty diverse. Many of us don't even own Polk speakers for the most part. We have tube guys, solid state guys, flea-watt & horn guys, planar/stat guys....all kinds. A lot of us have a lot of experience with a lot of different products....from the high dollar items to the real 'giant killer' products....The one thing though is that I've NEVER seen someone post a legitimate first post and get sent to the firing squad. Never. Maybe some joshing and what not but NEVER seen someone indiscriminately run off. Matter of fact, there is an individual over there who posted a thread calling for more Moderation.....in his first post, there were two pages of people welcoming him to include a more senior member inviting him along (since he was fairly local) to a local audio event AND inviting him to his home to listen to his gear. A complete stranger. Imagine that.....and it's not all that uncommon....and in interesting factoid is that the guys who do these sorts of things the most are generally the more 'opinionated' of the bunch. I guess they figure that thier investment of time and resources into the furtherment of the forum gives them a little more leeway to be opinionated. Silly them. Which leads me to Emotiva....and what specifically will grate nerves. If you come to me and tell me that Emotiva makes a good product, punches above it's weight even, good customer service etc etc. Cool. I might even want to give it a try. Outlaw is a good example....I'm a big fan, I've owned a few of thier products...as are the products that Roy Hall brings in from Eastern Europe. Good value products. Are they what I (and others) would consider as challenging state of the art? Not in this lifetime. They are excellent products at thier pricepoint......but true giant killers? Not so much. Now, could I be wrong? Sure, I probably could....however, the people jumping up and down making these claims tend to be people who have no real experience with the higher end products which they claim are no better than Emotiva.....see where I'm going with this? I had one individual try and tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about....that if he put an Emo amp in my system that I couldn't tell the difference, that I was just a blind fool...yada yada yada. Well, I beg to differ, I've spent years building this rig.....and I certainly don't think anyone is going to tell me those sorts of things without a pointed discussion ensuing. See where I'm going with this??? Anyhow, thanks for reading.....take care and happy listening. As a wise man once said....if it's yours and you enjoy it, isn't that the most important thing?? Cheers, BDT (of the Polk Forum BDT's) Greetings from the Emo forum and welcome. Hang out, have a good time and meet some great people. I think you will like being here as well. Thanks! It's always cool to talk audio.....even if we don't see eye to eye (I mean, if we did, how freaking boring would THAT be?). I've been looking around a bit....seems like a cool place! BDT
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Post by briank on Feb 2, 2010 21:09:46 GMT -5
Troyd, welcome to the forum and I look forward to you posting your opinions on Gear. I will say that one of the best things about this hobby is that you don't have to "know a lot about audio" to enjoy this hobby. You can buy whatever product that sounds best to you and is within your individual budget.
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