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Post by questor on Feb 3, 2010 5:05:57 GMT -5
I agree with the TS though - that if it sounds awful in your system, that it needn't spend much time in it. Run-in does occur but shouldn't make that huge a difference.. However, my experience in audio tells me that there are far too many variables in what causes a certain component to sound bad in a particular setup. Not too nice to write-off something just because of a singular experience. I personally have heard the Krell and find it is not a bad unit.
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Post by RPA-1 man on Feb 3, 2010 7:23:08 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum troyd.
You're thoughts and opinions are always welcome here. Many of us here enjoy reading posts about others experiences with different brands of gear.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Feb 3, 2010 12:32:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't post at a Polk site since I don't like Polk sound even though I am a former owner (you think they don't like you!), but my question would be this: If a Krell needs to be burned in for 200 hours, why isn't it before shipping? More than a week before you can use your new toy? Not. Absolutely - at the premium price they should be able to afford it - it would also weed-out potentially DoA/early failure units.
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Post by budgetht on Feb 3, 2010 14:10:23 GMT -5
Wow. I just search a few of the "emo" threads over at the Polk Club. The majority of those guys seem like ass hats...
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Post by oppman99 on Feb 3, 2010 17:27:36 GMT -5
I've taken a look at the Polk forum myself. I think there are quite a few good people over there, but it does seem to have more "religious audio fanatics" than any other forum I'm familir with that think they can hear things the rest of the world can't. They seem to state their opinions without anything to back up their claims and jump all over anyone who has a different view. To be honest, I think every forum has people like that. It's just not tolerated here, which is a good thing.
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Post by troyd on Feb 3, 2010 20:43:39 GMT -5
Then I'd say that you haven't much experience with other forums, read any audio publications....Again, there are some douchers at Polk....but, I'd point out that it would appear the amount of participation there is greater than this site by a factor of ten....
Also, it is, as I pointed out, a more diverse crowd in terms of interests.....which has built in conflict.
Here, it would appear Emotiva is the only topic discussed.....which is cool, but I'd say that there are other things out there to try.....again, don't bash it until you try it. Lastly, I'd point out that just look at the last two posts previous to mine.....I could make the same argument that there are a bunch of anti-Polk asshats here. Me, I just chalk it up to some folks who are loyal to thier forum....and nothing more. However, just remember....people living in glass houses chucking rocks and all that.
Well, it would appear that I'll take my leave....there doesn't seem to be any discussions that stray very far from Emotiva so I'll leave you to it.
Cheers,
BDT
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Post by oppman99 on Feb 3, 2010 21:15:14 GMT -5
Then I'd say that you haven't much experience with other forums, read any audio publications....Again, there are some douchers at Polk....but, I'd point out that it would appear the amount of participation there is greater than this site by a factor of ten.... Also, it is, as I pointed out, a more diverse crowd in terms of interests.....which has built in conflict. Here, it would appear Emotiva is the only topic discussed.....which is cool, but I'd say that there are other things out there to try.....again, don't bash it until you try it. Lastly, I'd point out that just look at the last two posts previous to mine.....I could make the same argument that there are a bunch of anti-Polk asshats here. Me, I just chalk it up to some folks who are loyal to thier forum....and nothing more. However, just remember....people living in glass houses chucking rocks and all that. Well, it would appear that I'll take my leave....there doesn't seem to be any discussions that stray very far from Emotiva so I'll leave you to it. Cheers, BDT Not trying to start any kind of arguement here, but your first comment could be taken as arrogant. You assume to know something about me without any evidence to back up the claim. I regularly read a number of audio forums as well as Stereophile and TAS. My experience and interpretation just happens to be different from yours. As for the only topics here being discussed being about Emotiva, I could say the same for the Polk forum. The main topics I see there are about Polk speakers. It is the brand forum, that is to be expected. If you spend some time, you will see many other things get attention besides Emotiva. Another thing to consider is that Emotiva has a wider variety of offerings compared to Polk. Amps, preamps, speakers, processors vs only speakers. There are more offerings to discuss. I will concede your point about the two posts prior to yours, but there are just as many posts welcoming you to the forum and a willingness to share your experiences. Your feeling about this forum mirrors how I feel about the Polk forum. To each his/her own.
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Post by troyd on Feb 3, 2010 21:39:41 GMT -5
You may take it as arrogant....I'm just saying from spending time at other forums such as Audio Asylum, Stereophile, Klipsch ad nauseum...and I don't see that Polk has a corner on the self-proclaimed 'golden ear' market.
Obviously there is a lot of talk about Polk speakers....however, if you peruse the 2 channel forum, electronics forum there is a pretty diverse range of topics and gear. Honestly, probably less than half of the 'regulars' have Polks in thier primary rigs...and those that do are SDA's (which have little to do with the current lineup). Quad, Soundlab, Maggie, Carver, Vandersteen, Avante Guard and I'm sure others....as far as electronics, it's the full gamut. The point being.....it's a more diverse crowd (note I'm not saying 'better' or 'worse'...just different and hopefully shedding some light what 'is')
Personally, I don't think this is a 'bad' forum at all. What I am saying is that it's different....some is by chance and some is by design and some is by the nature of the respective companies. The point being, you can't judge another forum using the template of another. It's not fair to me to do it to you (which I'm not) nor is it fair for you to to it to Polk.
Now, let's talk about audio! Tubes anyone??
BDT
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 3, 2010 21:50:17 GMT -5
You may take it as arrogant....I'm just saying from spending time at other forums such as Audio Asylum, Stereophile, Klipsch ad nauseum...and I don't see that Polk has a corner on the self-proclaimed 'golden ear' market. Obviously there is a lot of talk about Polk speakers....however, if you peruse the 2 channel forum, electronics forum there is a pretty diverse range of topics and gear. Honestly, probably less than half of the 'regulars' have Polks in thier primary rigs...and those that do are SDA's (which have little to do with the current lineup). Quad, Soundlab, Maggie, Carver, Vandersteen, Avante Guard and I'm sure others....as far as electronics, it's the full gamut. The point being.....it's a more diverse crowd (note I'm not saying 'better' or 'worse'...just different and hopefully shedding some light what 'is') Personally, I don't think this is a 'bad' forum at all. What I am saying is that it's different....some is by chance and some is by design and some is by the nature of the respective companies. The point being, you can't judge another forum using the template of another. It's not fair to me to do it to you (which I'm not) nor is it fair for you to to it to Polk. Now, let's talk about audio! Tubes anyone?? BDT Well you sound like a reasonable fellow to me.. I've never heard Polk speakers and don't have any tube equipment but when noon comes tomorrow, you're welcome to stay. ;D
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Post by troyd on Feb 3, 2010 22:12:04 GMT -5
The I spit on Emotiva thing is a long standing joke which those that have been around on the Polk Forum would understand. It started out as 'I spit on receivers'....
Yes, I do think that there are some folks that are acting like complete jagoffs starting stuff just because it's controversial. It's not uncommon for companies to have folks peruse boards for the express purpose of supporting thier brands....some do this more zealously than others.
I also think that detente on the Polk Forum between rival factions is a myth.
No, I won't buy an Emotiva product....and some of that has to do with how some Emotiva people have handled themselves. There are folks here who disparage Polk in this very thread for the same reason.
I make no bones about any of the above .
However, I do think that the 'jagoffs' of the world are exception rather than the rule. I'd also challenge you to go back to the archives of the Polk Forum and find where I've been indiscrimanately (sp) rude to anyone.....now, those that I've found to be lacking in manners and so forth, yes, I'm very comfortable with how I reply.
Like so many things in life, it's all about context....and please don't pretent that you can summarize my character by culling one post in one thread.....just like I'm not summarily dismissing an entire forum by a few bad apples.
On my way back to my hole....and thank you for making my point, quite poignantly!
BDT
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Post by drew664 on Feb 3, 2010 22:20:40 GMT -5
Never been to the Polk forums, but I don't much care for this forum. Too much defending of Emotiva anything and the bashing that ensues if you don't like their products/business/etc. But hey, it's an Emotiva board, so what do you expect. The best boards to be on are the neutral ones for balanced information, however reading through the the cheer leading posts and the ultra negative ones helps to balance out a potential purchase. So this board has it's purpose.
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Post by troyd on Feb 3, 2010 22:21:38 GMT -5
Well you sound like a reasonable fellow to me.. I've never heard Polk speakers and don't have any tube equipment but when noon comes tomorrow, you're welcome to stay. ;D[/quote] Thanks, I do think I'm a pretty reasonable guy....for the most part....though I do have my moments. For the record, anyone in the NC area that would like to come by and listen to some tunes and so forth over a beer or other libation...the Rancho de No Concerno is always open...though I do have a "No Doucher" policy. The current lineup is: Quad ESL-988's VPI Scoutmaster/Dynavector cart Sony SCD-555ES (sacdmods.com modded) Dodd one-off phono stage Manley Shrimp/Melos SHA-1 preamps Heathkit W-5M tube mono amps (Dodd restored) I also have some Vandersteens, Polk SDA's with Classe and parasound amps in various states of useage..... C'mon by.... BDT
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Post by troyd on Feb 3, 2010 22:25:58 GMT -5
"BTW, who is bringing the Emotiva amp so we can burn it and then piss on the ashes??" yup good joke. Now don't get all self righteous on me I'm not self righteous at all.....I don't post anything I don't stand behind....nor do I paint myself as any sort of saint. Oh, the peeing ashes thing...at Polkfest 2004(which is one of three I've hosted) we had joked about a bonfire with a pair of Pioneer CS-88's and peeing on the ashes...at the time there was a lot of jawing about the relative merits of the kabuki speakers....so that was the backstory on the burning the Emotiva thing.. That said, I doubt you'd consider it accurate or fair for me to cull through your 5K+ posts, take one, and pigeon-hole you on it.....so, no, I don't think that it's cool to try and do it to me. Why, I'd call that plain old douchebaggery. The sort of thing that some would claim just isn't allowed or done here. BDT
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Post by bigred7078 on Feb 3, 2010 22:27:16 GMT -5
From your posts thus far I also think you sound like a reasonable guy, but your previous comments (Yes those have stuck in my mind since they are ridiculous) on the Polk forum have made me wonder why you even came to this forum? Call me crazy, but thats just a bit odd. Regardless, nice gear. How you like the Scoutmaster?
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Post by bigred7078 on Feb 3, 2010 22:34:38 GMT -5
Whoops.
Apologies troyd, I did not see your first post here (which pretty much summed up why you were here.). My fault. I'll erase my comments since I thought you were trying to be sneaky and troll.. again sorry.
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Post by troyd on Feb 3, 2010 22:37:45 GMT -5
I love the Scoutmaster....it's a HUGE step over the Scout and was a pretty signifgant step up from my HW-19mkIV.....
Why did I come here.....well, let's just say that I thought I'd try to perhaps try and make some peace on your turf. Maybe try and shed some light on things over there that are perhaps simple misunderstandings....and that ultimately, it's just audio. If it ain't fun.....why do it.
Again, about my posts over there....you have to understand, MY audience over there knows me, my sense of humor and so forth. It's not that I don't care about the new folks, quite the opposite is true, I care very much....and if they stick around, they will get the inside jokes like spitting on an Emotiva and be part of a tight knit group. So, until you get to that point, a lot of the stuff over there ISN'T going to make sense and will seem off the mark and harsh.
BDT
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Post by troyd on Feb 3, 2010 22:40:04 GMT -5
Whoops. Apologies troyd, I did not see your first post here (which pretty much summed up why you were here.). My fault. I'll erase my comments since I thought you were trying to be sneaky and troll.. again sorry. No worries, man! I got muy thick skin! Don't worries about erasing....it's all good. I see you are an analog guy,that's a nice table....if you can send me your contact info, and you enjoy classical....I'd be happy to send you some vinyl that I think you might enjoy. BDT
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Post by Wideawake on Feb 3, 2010 22:51:24 GMT -5
No, I won't buy an Emotiva product....and some of that has to do with how some Emotiva people have handled themselves. You won't buy Emotiva products because of the Emo forum members and how they have "handled" themselves? Now that is really intelligent reasoning. Your decision not to buy Emo products has nothing to do with the quality of Emotiva's products or their stellar customer service. Do you even read what you're writing? Do you understand that you're making a fool of yourself here? Not that any of us are begging you to buy Emo products, mind you; lest you interprete my statements using your convoluted logic. On my way back to my hole....and thank you for making my point, quite poignantly! BDT troyd, since you're not interested in Emo products and all we do here is discuss Emo products (as per your perception) then perhaps it might be a good idea to go back to your hole, as you so eloquently put it. You claim that you came here to make friends, however, your attitude is perceived by many here as being arrogant and abrasive. Please don't insult our intelligence. Despite what you may believe, we are not stupid you know. I know I shall ignore you completely from this point onward.
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Post by Pauly on Feb 3, 2010 22:51:59 GMT -5
Stick around troyd, I've got respect for anybody who loves this great hobby like I do. Just realize that the Emo owners on this forum are generally very proud of their Emo gear, and may take offense to any bashing, whether it be from the Polk forum or anywhere else. I'll admit that I have lost my temper on a forum or two when there is some Emo bashing going on. But it's just like any other brand loyal owner, no matter what the brand might be. I know Bryston, and Mac owners that get just as pissed when somebody bashes their gear(usually for the price lol). But like I said, stick around, man. There is a ton of Emotiva specific threads going right now, but that has a lot to do with the release of the UMC-1, and the extension of the UPA amp line. This can be a great forum to hang out in, and it does have a lot of great people, that just like to talk audio in general. We have had an increase in trolls, and asshats lately, but hey, it's the Internet.
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Post by Spiky on Feb 3, 2010 23:03:59 GMT -5
Amazing. I will never understand the people here. And you are confusing arrogance with ego.
Troyd, Prefacing every derogatory comment with "I don't really mean this, but" means you DO mean it. Do you really think people are stupid enough to not understand that? Passive aggressive is bad enough from women, let's not run it through the other half of the planet.
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