venaka
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Post by venaka on Feb 10, 2010 17:44:07 GMT -5
Re-ran EmoQ and all xovers and distances were good. Sound quality A+. multiple PCM on direct works in 5.1, so no processing issue. I am a happy camper so far. I will go on a thorough bug hint over the long weekend... You on the wait list are going to be impressed! moe or anyone that has ran their emoq with success, can u post ur results.like crossover, size and level. |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Feb 10, 2010 17:50:25 GMT -5
Then get the new slim model and forget the standalone blueray player. I'm shocked your old units are even working considering the high failure rate of the PS3. And the thing is so LOUD I can't believe you can even use it in a theater! Yah, mine died yesterday.  Oh, and mine never made a peep. No noise problem at all. Maybe that's why it died.  They seem to be rather random, some OK, some very loud and some quiet. I keep considering putting mine in a new case .... I should probably just sell it. |
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Post by loopinfool on Feb 10, 2010 18:25:38 GMT -5
Well, each time I run Emo-Q I get much different results. It always wants to set the fronts to 250 and it always sets the sub x-over high (over 100). If it is consistanly reporting 250 for the fronts then that is what it is reading as a the first -3db. Becuase of the high xover on the mains it sets the sub to higher xover as well. Why would Emo-Q be looking for the first -3db point of a downward sweep? The goal is to find out how low the speakers can go, right? Shouldn't it be looking for the last -3db point? Plus, it would probably be better to look for a -9db point or something. Bad speakers and room modes could easily trigger a false -3db reading anywhere. - LoopinFool |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 10, 2010 18:42:16 GMT -5
I agree that LPCM vers. bitstream pre decode is indistinguishable (depends on if it's 48 or 96Khz IMHO). All I'm saying is the audio problems PS3 users seem to be having wouldn't be if they had a newer standalone player. Not to mention the 24p issues as well... That's just my 2cents.
And yes I've had a 360 fail. As well as a PS3... both have been horrible in reliability no question.
At no time did I claim MC-LPCM was inferior to bitstreamed TrueHD or DTS-HD. All I'm saying is the only UMC-1 users that seem to be having blueray LPCM transport issues are PS3 users. People with standalone players seem not to be reporting the multichan on stereo transport (old firmware) and stereo on 5/7.1 transport or the 24p to 60p problems (clueless on PS3 and UMC-1 settings to use!?!).
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Post by snodog on Feb 10, 2010 18:55:06 GMT -5
Ok so I believe a few people on here said they went through EmoQ three times to get it dialed in. I should be getting mine sometime next week and am curious if that is still recommended so I will know when setting mine up?
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Post by ackbar on Feb 10, 2010 19:01:15 GMT -5
For those people having issues with their PS3... I noticed that if I let it "automatically" choose what signals my receiver could support over HDMI, it turned off all multichannel PCM. Go into the audio settings and verify that all of the signals are checked. As far as I could tell, you could check everything except the Windows WMA/ASF whatever-it-is. Of course, if you only have a 5.1 setup, it's pretty pointless to select the 7.1 options. Once you select all those settings, it will automatically decode TrueHD to the 5.1 LPCM as necessary.
--Ackbar
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Post by solidstate on Feb 10, 2010 19:04:23 GMT -5
For those people having issues with their PS3... I noticed that if I let it "automatically" choose what signals my receiver could support over HDMI, it turned off all multichannel PCM. Go into the audio settings and verify that all of the signals are checked. As far as I could tell, you could check everything except the Windows WMA/ASF whatever-it-is. Of course, if you only have a 5.1 setup, it's pretty pointless to select the 7.1 options. Once you select all those settings, it will automatically decode TrueHD to the 5.1 LPCM as necessary. --Ackbar Well there ya go!! Clueless on PS3 setting it was... And you guys brag so heavily about how great it is yet you don't even know how to use it... typical Go buy a Mac and an Onkyo pre and bugger off!! (just kidding!  ) |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 10, 2010 19:08:51 GMT -5
For those people having issues with their PS3... I noticed that if I let it "automatically" choose what signals my receiver could support over HDMI, it turned off all multichannel PCM. Go into the audio settings and verify that all of the signals are checked. As far as I could tell, you could check everything except the Windows WMA/ASF whatever-it-is. Of course, if you only have a 5.1 setup, it's pretty pointless to select the 7.1 options. Once you select all those settings, it will automatically decode TrueHD to the 5.1 LPCM as necessary. --Ackbar Well there ya go!! Clueless on PS3 setting it was... And you guys brag so heavily about how great it is yet you don't even know how to use it... typical go buy a mac! Dude, I think I have yet to read a positive post from you. What's your problem? You sound like one of those IT nerds that make fun of people because they don't have the latest and greatest Intel processor or version of Windows. I bet this is you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TzHbcXYwI4&feature=related#watch-main-areaGive it a rest why don't ya? |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 10, 2010 19:13:17 GMT -5
Well there ya go!! Clueless on PS3 setting it was... And you guys brag so heavily about how great it is yet you don't even know how to use it... typical go buy a mac! Dude, I think I have yet to read a positive post from you. What's your problem? You sound like one of those IT nerds that make fun of people because they don't have the latest and greatest Intel processor or version of Windows. Give it a rest why don't ya? Point taken... I'm just very jealous I don't have one to play with! I didn't think I was being that negative considering they all started to attack me saying I need to read and learn about LPCM vs. TrueHD etc bitstreaming missing the whole point of my post. Sorry I hit a nerve! People do love their PS3! |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 10, 2010 19:17:46 GMT -5
Dude, I think I have yet to read a positive post from you. What's your problem? You sound like one of those IT nerds that make fun of people because they don't have the latest and greatest Intel processor or version of Windows. Give it a rest why don't ya? Point taken... I'm just very jealous I don't have one to play with! I didn't think I was being that negative considering they all started to attack me saying I need to read and learn about LPCM vs. TrueHD etc bitstreaming missing the whole point of my post. Sorry I hit a nerve! People do love their PS3! Seriously, EVERY post I have read from you is making fun of someone because they don't know something, or their computer is old or they don't have what you consider the best piece of software. I think you need to take a step back and examine your life to try and find out why you're such a negative person. Life's too short to be so bitter. |
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Post by jmilton on Feb 10, 2010 19:55:42 GMT -5
Re-ran EmoQ and all xovers and distances were good. Sound quality A+. multiple PCM on direct works in 5.1, so no processing issue. I am a happy camper so far. I will go on a thorough bug hint over the long weekend... You on the wait list are going to be impressed! moe or anyone that has ran their emoq with success, can u post ur results.like crossover, size and level. I'll post several pix tomorrow morn... But they'll only make you jealous & frustrated.        So after running EmoQ agin...this time I turned off my Velodyne and EQ onthe the Earthquake. After that, I EQd the Velo with its own EQ program and everything worked together. It set my xovers to 80 (which I preferred) and the distances and levels were almost "spot on". Watched a variety of TV and BDs...all sound very good. There were times during the movie I heard sounds from the sides of the room where there were no speakers... a sign of wonderful integration of the mains and rears. I will continue my quest for other bugs this long weekend. SEE! THIS THING CAN WORK! ;D |
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Post by snodog on Feb 10, 2010 19:58:55 GMT -5
LOL that is a funny Youtube post darrien. Kind of some similarities there, just quit being so offensive solidstate and people will be less likely to be defensive right?
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Post by solidstate on Feb 10, 2010 20:07:56 GMT -5
RIGHT!
SALUTE!
HAHAH Funny video BTW!!!
PS It's call Emoenvy!
That's more like me...
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Post by moe on Feb 10, 2010 20:39:19 GMT -5
Re-ran EmoQ and all xovers and distances were good. Sound quality A+. multiple PCM on direct works in 5.1, so no processing issue. I am a happy camper so far. I will go on a thorough bug hint over the long weekend... You on the wait list are going to be impressed! moe or anyone that has ran their emoq with success, can u post ur results.like crossover, size and level. Sorry,I haven't run emoQ,I just don't use correction just a meter,distance and a few freq adjustments manually.I have a good room so room correction is not really needed,for my taste.I'm a less is more kinda guy,less I do to a source/signal the better for me. I will however try it someday,but for this unit,compared to others I've had,nice improvement.I expect we'll get more info as shipping picks up. |
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Post by red5ive on Feb 10, 2010 21:02:08 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the discrete input codes are going to work? We're still waiting for info from Lonnie right? I'm unsure of how we are supposed to use hex code. I have the Harmony One, so I don't understand how we are to upload the hex code to their website or to our remotes. Once you get the hex codes you will need to open up a service ticket with harmony. Only they can upload the hex codes to your profile. Don't know if there is a charge for this service.  I emailed hex codes last August and they added them in less than 24 hours without question or charge. I didn't have to call, either. I hope that hasn't changed. |
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Post by majorloser on Feb 10, 2010 21:16:52 GMT -5
Life is better. I got some sleep and can think straight now. Got all of my inputs straightened out. Inputs are all back to my original settings and labels re-entered. So now we can get back to evaluation. First thing I did tonight was run a bunch of EmoQ calibrations. There is a HUGE improvement this time around. The distance calculations were perfect, the crossover settings were exactly were I would have expected and the phases were all normal. The biggest improvement was the subwoofer level setting. Much lower than before. Still a little hot by my standards, but very good. I did lower the subs a few dB's just to make me happy. I'll spend the rest of the week going through the setting and making sure it's working right. Need to get my theater cleaned up and everything back together before this weekend and before company come over. So far I'll give the firmware upgrade a thumbs up.  |
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Post by red5ive on Feb 10, 2010 21:20:59 GMT -5
Just thought I'd comment on EmoQ which I never ran until the update. I ran it 4 times to try to get it locked in, but the crossover and distance settings were out of whack every time. I adjusted the crossover settings and reduced the lowest frequency on all channels which were all set to +10, which sounded completely horrible. Once I made these tweaks everything just sounds PRISTINE.
Also, the strange thing too is after 4 EmoQ runs the distances were all set greater than actual distance by as much as 3 feet! I couldn't accept this and kept going back within +/- 6" of the actual distance, and it just didn't sound right. Surround just didn't sound like surround, and there wasn't much of a sound field. I finally just set it back to the EmoQ values and low and behold I have a sweet sound field. I have no idea what's going on. Is EmoQ making that much of a room correction?
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venaka
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Post by venaka on Feb 10, 2010 21:27:27 GMT -5
moe or anyone that has ran their emoq with success, can u post ur results.like crossover, size and level. I'll post several pix tomorrow morn... But they'll only make you jealous & frustrated. no I will not get jealous like SS, i will get knowledge. Just kidding SS, we all love u. But yeah people Post ur settings of EMO-q Thanks! |
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Post by red5ive on Feb 10, 2010 22:10:20 GMT -5
Just thought I'd comment on EmoQ which I never ran until the update. I ran it 4 times to try to get it locked in, but the crossover and distance settings were out of whack every time. I adjusted the crossover settings and reduced the lowest frequency on all channels which were all set to +10, which sounded completely horrible. Once I made these tweaks everything just sounds PRISTINE. Also, the strange thing too is after 4 EmoQ runs the distances were all set greater than actual distance by as much as 3 feet! I couldn't accept this and kept going back within +/- 6" of the actual distance, and it just didn't sound right. Surround just didn't sound like surround, and there wasn't much of a sound field. I finally just set it back to the EmoQ values and low and behold I have a sweet sound field. I have no idea what's going on. Is EmoQ making that much of a room correction? I hate to quote myself  , but I just had to add that after further listening with music & movies, EmoQ DEFINITELY gets the mid & high EQ just right! Everything sounds MUCH better. So just to summarize, I tweaked the xover settings based on what I know my speakers can handle and left everything else the same (including distances which are way off), and it sounds veeeeeeery good. I'm wearing a huge ;D right now. |
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Post by jahays32 on Feb 10, 2010 22:12:18 GMT -5
Yea I do not know why this was changed either. Just tried a Blu-ray in the PS3 and to get 5.1 sound out I had to pick PLIIX. So I guess I lost the HD Audio or is this supposed to be as good? I called about this and Nick said the only thing changed was "all channel stereo" is now 2ch stereo and that it should have nothing to do with lossless decoded surround sound. What you should see,per Nick, is MPCM and in direct mode it would be full lossless surround or if you put it in stereo mode then it converts down to L and R channels. Could someone please confirm this? I just gave my CC info so my UMC-1 should be shipping soon but this is a very big deal for me. yea it works. My next question is in direct mode this would give up bass management and your manual EQ settings right? So I assume all speakers would be set to large + Sub unless you go into the PS3 and change it there if there is bass management in the PS3 I will have to look. |
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, but I just had to add that after further listening with music & movies, EmoQ DEFINITELY gets the mid & high EQ just right! Everything sounds MUCH better. 
