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Post by vthokies on Feb 11, 2010 13:01:38 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just received the following email from preorders: Hello, Please be advised we have an estimated shipping date for your UMC-1 of: March 5th 2010 We will contact you 10-14 days prior to this date to complete your purchase. Thank you for your support and patience. Your friends at Emotiva The question is should I go ahead and pick one of these up. I just purchased the Denon 4810 and it works flawlessly but I am starting to become a big two channel listener and as always I'm curious and intrigued by separates. Any help would be appreciated. I signed up for the second preorder list in late September or October. Not really sure when. Or would I be better off purchasing the USP-1 and see how it stacks up to the Denon's analogue stage. I must say the issues so far with the UMC-1 has me a little concerned and the Denon sounds pretty good as well.  |
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Post by astrobox on Feb 11, 2010 13:08:58 GMT -5
I'm in the same situation too!
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Post by monkeypimp on Feb 11, 2010 13:09:21 GMT -5
So I ordered the first day and won't get my unit until March or later as I haven't received an email yet......Hmmm....very very poor customer service in my opinion.....I don't really care about Emotiva's cash flow situation, they never said that they would have to sparingly send out to the upgraders when they opened either of the preorder lists. This whole situation just really sucks and I think it has been handled incredibly poorly by Emotiva. Especially since I was told the day before they stopped shipping them,due to the firmware, that I would easily see my unit by the end of January.
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Post by tubby on Feb 11, 2010 13:15:10 GMT -5
Why would Emo-Q be looking for the first -3db point of a downward sweep? The goal is to find out how low the speakers can go, right? Shouldn't it be looking for the last -3db point? Plus, it would probably be better to look for a -9db point or something. Bad speakers and room modes could easily trigger a false -3db reading anywhere. - LoopinFool Agreed, I tried REW for the first time last night and found I had a -5db "flat valley" between 300 and 500hz or so. Yamaha YPAO does not set the x-over to 200 (highest it has) but to 100 (which I still find too high). I also see why I need a new sub, my ears were not lying to me - it has an 8db peak from about 60hz to 80hz (or perhaps that's overlap with the mains?) and pretty much nothing below 30.  Although my el-cheapo from the back of the shelf mic may not having been giving a proper picture - but it did seem to match up with my hearing. There was another drop around 5Khz. I fiddled with the PEQ manually for the front three (how do you get REW to send test for an individual speaker? If seems to just do L/R and sub) and now dialogue seems much clearer.  Sorry for wandering off-topic. To send a tone from REW to an individual speaker you will need to either use the 7.1 inputs, use the corresponding input for whichever speaker you want to measure or plug the speaker wire for the speaker you want to measure into the front L or R output. Either way is not ideal because you can't see the effect of adjusting the EQ after the fact (no EQ is applied to the 7.1 in right?). Another idea is to use the test tones from the UMC or test disc (Avia) that send a tone to each channel and measure that tone with REW. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 11, 2010 13:17:33 GMT -5
Does this thing work ok if you DON'T mess with the emo-q? Yep. You can manually set all the parameters that EMO-Q sets for you. |
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Post by robfive on Feb 11, 2010 13:19:16 GMT -5
Does this thing work ok if you DON'T mess with the emo-q? Absolutely. Mine is working really well. I haven't messed with EMO-Q and don't plan to. |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 11, 2010 13:24:16 GMT -5
So I ordered the first day and won't get my unit until March or later as I haven't received an email yet......Hmmm....very very poor customer service in my opinion.....I don't really care about Emotiva's cash flow situation, they never said that they would have to sparingly send out to the upgraders when they opened either of the preorder lists. This whole situation just really sucks and I think it has been handled incredibly poorly by Emotiva. Especially since I was told the day before they stopped shipping them,due to the firmware, that I would easily see my unit by the end of January. I thought you said yesterday that you were done complaining about this? quote: "But I have calmed down and will patiently wait my turn..." with the issues showing up here, I would think you would be grateful. |
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 13:29:12 GMT -5
You all know that Emo-Q or any auto Q for that matter is just a starting point you should always go back in and fine tune after words at lest that`s what I always do
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Post by monkeypimp on Feb 11, 2010 13:29:35 GMT -5
So I ordered the first day and won't get my unit until March or later as I haven't received an email yet......Hmmm....very very poor customer service in my opinion.....I don't really care about Emotiva's cash flow situation, they never said that they would have to sparingly send out to the upgraders when they opened either of the preorder lists. This whole situation just really sucks and I think it has been handled incredibly poorly by Emotiva. Especially since I was told the day before they stopped shipping them,due to the firmware, that I would easily see my unit by the end of January. I thought you said yesterday that you were done complaining about this? quote: "But I have calmed down and will patiently wait my turn..." with the issues showing up here, I would think you would be grateful. I guess when you hang out on this website long enough you realize that the reality is that you can say one thing and do another. |
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Post by gocolts on Feb 11, 2010 13:30:36 GMT -5
Does this thing work ok if you DON'T mess with the emo-q? Absolutely. Mine is working really well. I haven't messed with EMO-Q and don't plan to. Agreed. EMO-Q is more hassle than it's worth from what I can tell. In 10 minutes I had my crossovers and distances set in a way that I think it sounds great, and the bass seems about right, and if not, there's this mysterious dial on the back of the sub I can turn to get it right!  I have to say that I'm surprised at the amount of delays between inputs there is between sources with the UMC-1. It's no better than my Onkyo 885 was, and I never had an audio drop-out problem with it like I've got with the UMC-1. I never thought I'd say it, but it's kinda depressing watching my 885 get picked up to be shipped to it's new owner, since it worked perfectly from day 1. I hope I made the right decision and didn't let the hype get to me...  Hopefully after I live with the thing awhile I'll feel better about it..as I'm not real excited about unhooking everything AGAIN to do another firmware update... |
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 13:31:27 GMT -5
^Hey I do that in real life so why not here - oops not fast enough
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Post by gocolts on Feb 11, 2010 13:31:46 GMT -5
I thought you said yesterday that you were done complaining about this? quote: "But I have calmed down and will patiently wait my turn..." with the issues showing up here, I would think you would be grateful. I guess when you hang out on this website long enough you realize that the reality is that you can say one thing and do another. Ouch!! ;D |
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Post by lonnie on Feb 11, 2010 13:36:59 GMT -5
If it is consistanly reporting 250 for the fronts then that is what it is reading as a the first -3db. Becuase of the high xover on the mains it sets the sub to higher xover as well. Why would Emo-Q be looking for the first -3db point of a downward sweep? The goal is to find out how low the speakers can go, right? Shouldn't it be looking for the last -3db point? Plus, it would probably be better to look for a -9db point or something. Bad speakers and room modes could easily trigger a false -3db reading anywhere. - LoopinFool OK, here is a question for you. Why in the world would you be looking for a -9db point to set you crossovers? At -9db the signal level would be 1/8 that of reference. With 12db crossover slopes you would have a hole in the frequency response that spanned a couple of octaves. |
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Post by Stevens on Feb 11, 2010 13:51:38 GMT -5
I guess Loopinfool suggests what he does in order for the EmoQ to not set the crossover at too high a frequency, by it mistaking a smaller dip higher up for the final low-end drop-off frequency. This may not be feasible or practical, but by programming the EmoQ to look for a larger drop (say 9dB instead of 3dB), one would mimimize the risk of this happening.
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Post by gocolts on Feb 11, 2010 14:03:33 GMT -5
Can someone answer the concern people are having about sending PCM audio from something like a PS3 or Oppo player to the UMC-1? People are concerned the "direct" feature is prohibiting the correct bass management etc.
Mine says "multi-PCM" and something else, but I forget what exactly. Not sure if this is how it's supposed to be or what....
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Post by pultzar on Feb 11, 2010 14:07:11 GMT -5
What are people setting their subwoofer crossovers to? Mine won't let me set it to anything but some odd numbers that you have to hold down the arrows forever to even let me change. Same thing for the rear surround crossovers.... You need to reload factory defaults to fix this problem. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 11, 2010 14:14:22 GMT -5
I guess Loopinfool suggests what he does in order for the EmoQ to not set the crossover at too high a frequency, by it mistaking a smaller dip higher up for the final low-end drop-off frequency. This may not be feasible or practical, but by programming the EmoQ to look for a larger drop (say 9dB instead of 3dB), one would mimimize the risk of this happening. Yes, although as Lonnie points out it would also defeat the purpose of automatically setting crossover... unless the algorithm did something like detect -9db and then set the crossover an octave above that... or something. In any case, the proper method is to let the auto function run, then enter the screens manually and make whatever changes you feel are necessary for your system. Or just live with the auto settings. |
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Post by hikinokie on Feb 11, 2010 14:31:46 GMT -5
Absolutely. Mine is working really well. I haven't messed with EMO-Q and don't plan to. Agreed. EMO-Q is more hassle than it's worth from what I can tell. In 10 minutes I had my crossovers and distances set in a way that I think it sounds great, and the bass seems about right, and if not, there's this mysterious dial on the back of the sub I can turn to get it right! I have to say that I'm surprised at the amount of delays between inputs there is between sources with the UMC-1. It's no better than my Onkyo 885 was, and I never had an audio drop-out problem with it like I've got with the UMC-1. I never thought I'd say it, but it's kinda depressing watching my 885 get picked up to be shipped to it's new owner, since it worked perfectly from day 1. I hope I made the right decision and didn't let the hype get to me... Hopefully after I live with the thing awhile I'll feel better about it..as I'm not real excited about unhooking everything AGAIN to do another firmware update... Audio/video dropouts suck |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 11, 2010 14:45:22 GMT -5
I guess Loopinfool suggests what he does in order for the EmoQ to not set the crossover at too high a frequency, by it mistaking a smaller dip higher up for the final low-end drop-off frequency. This may not be feasible or practical, but by programming the EmoQ to look for a larger drop (say 9dB instead of 3dB), one would mimimize the risk of this happening. Yes, although as Lonnie points out it would also defeat the purpose of automatically setting crossover... unless the algorithm did something like detect -9db and then set the crossover an octave above that... or something. In any case, the proper method is to let the auto function run, then enter the screens manually and make whatever changes you feel are necessary for your system. Or just live with the auto settings. That would be true, except that many people are getting obviously non-sensical settings from the auto function. No other room correction program has ever set one of my mains x-over to 250 Hz, while the other one is set to 20 Hz. The correction is an advertised feature of the unit, people expect it to work. When one aspect of the auto function give spurious results, you have to wonder about all the other aspects of the correction, too. And how much of the problem is compound: does the inaccurate x-over affect the individual bands of EQ for each speaker? How do you know? |
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Post by tubby on Feb 11, 2010 14:56:20 GMT -5
I would hope that finding the first -3db point is an over simplifacation of what is going on. Some importnant things we do not know. Does it look for the -3db point before or after it applies the EQ filters? How does it determine the 0db point? How wide of a dip does the -3db point need to be?
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