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Post by bootman on Feb 25, 2010 19:36:20 GMT -5
example: Bluray would be left at 1080p Xbox at 1080p wii will be s-video at 480i DTV HD will be set for 1080i/720p DVR at 1080i Reading with interest but I am lost when the DTV HD and DVD are seperated as two units here. I don't think you are suggesting HDMI and component as parallel connections from the DTV set top (HD DVR) I only quoted the list the poster gave as an example of his equipment. |
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Post by loopinfool on Feb 25, 2010 20:06:01 GMT -5
I confirmed with Lonnie himself this afternoon. The UMC will pass a 24p signal in AUTO mode provided the display correctly reports that it prefers a 1080p\24 signal That may very well be, but I'd wager a fair bit of money* that not one single HDMI display will report 1080p24 as it's "preferred" or "best" format. Since 1080p24 can't come close to properly displaying 720p or 1080i content, it would be downright silly for a display to flag it as the preferred format. I could see it as an advanced user option, but that's pretty silly, too. 1080p24 really is a special case. If the source is sending 24p and the display supports it, I'd say that about 98%** of users would want it passed through to the display (by default, if not always). - LoopinFool * Don't hold me to it as I'm just going by what makes sense. I really shouldn't apply sense to the HDMI world.  ** Completely made-up statistic to make my point. |
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Post by palmfish on Feb 25, 2010 20:13:58 GMT -5
So I assume that you lose the OSD when you run the UMC-1 in passthrough?
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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 25, 2010 20:25:45 GMT -5
I confirmed with Lonnie himself this afternoon. The UMC will pass a 24p signal in AUTO mode provided the display correctly reports that it prefers a 1080p\24 signal That may very well be, but I'd wager a fair bit of money* that not one single HDMI display will report 1080p24 as it's "preferred" or "best" format. Since 1080p24 can't come close to properly displaying 720p or 1080i content, it would be downright silly for a display to flag it as the preferred format. I could see it as an advanced user option, but that's pretty silly, too. 1080p24 really is a special case. If the source is sending 24p and the display supports it, I'd say that about 98%** of users would want it passed through to the display (by default, if not always). - LoopinFool * Don't hold me to it as I'm just going by what makes sense. I really shouldn't apply sense to the HDMI world. ** Completely made-up statistic to make my point. That is a good point. Grrrr. I really want to utilize the Auto functionality and the benefits of the UMC scaler, but I dont want to futzing around with it every time I watch a blu-ray AND remember to change it back when I am done. |
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Post by markd on Feb 25, 2010 20:42:49 GMT -5
So I assume that you lose the OSD when you run the UMC-1 in passthrough? No, pass through still sends the video through the processor, so overlays are still possible. |
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Post by 2muchht on Feb 25, 2010 20:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by markd on Feb 25, 2010 20:53:44 GMT -5
That may very well be, but I'd wager a fair bit of money* that not one single HDMI display will report 1080p24 as it's "preferred" or "best" format. Yep, this is my concern too. This is why the PS3 has that "force" mode that puts out 24p regardless of what the display requests. Since the UMC has front panel access to all the menus, it seems like it would be fairly low risk to have a "force" mode. the user could always recover using the front panel. The other question I'm waiting to see about is whether 23.97 is handled correctly. I know it is an issue on the Onkyo pieces. I've witnessed that particular bug- it is really annoying. |
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Post by loopinfool on Feb 25, 2010 21:49:05 GMT -5
The other question I'm waiting to see about is whether 23.97 is handled correctly. I know it is an issue on the Onkyo pieces. I've witnessed that particular bug- it is really annoying. I sure hope that's handled correctly. I'm pretty sure that here in the states, what we're calling "24p" is really 23.976 (approximately). I haven't heard of an Onkyo issue related to that. Does some North American equipment actually put out a true 24fps signal? I'd expect audio sync problems since the media (Blu-Ray and DVD) are mastered at 23.976. - LoopinFool |
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Post by markd on Feb 26, 2010 7:29:43 GMT -5
I sure hope that's handled correctly. I'm pretty sure that here in the states, what we're calling "24p" is really 23.976 (approximately). I haven't heard of an Onkyo issue related to that. Does some North American equipment actually put out a true 24fps signal? I'd expect audio sync problems since the media (Blu-Ray and DVD) are mastered at 23.976. - LoopinFool It has been reported on the DHC 40.1 and NR807. Most people may not notice (sat in a room with 20 other people and watched a 2 hr movie- nobody else noticed it until I pointed it out) but it is pretty obvious. I don't think it affects the audio- you just end up dropping or repeating a video frame every once in a while. |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Mar 10, 2010 1:24:40 GMT -5
The latest update sounds very promising from both a FW status and new emoployees stand point.
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Post by merlinwerks on Mar 10, 2010 5:58:23 GMT -5
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Post by mysterymachine on Mar 11, 2010 15:44:09 GMT -5
The latest update sounds very promising from both a FW status and new emoployees stand point. Yeah I am excited about " We also have an amazing new digital audio/DSP genius/engineer by the name of Eric joining our little family this month too!!  " Some help for Lonnie! Even if Lonnie is the best programmer its always good to have at least one other head in the room (so long as they are good) that can offer a different way to look at the problem and hopefully take some workload off Lonnie so he doesn't burn out  . |
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Post by rskarvan on Apr 18, 2010 10:32:19 GMT -5
The entire reason that I am on the pre-order list is that my BK Reference 30 had Audio-drop-out issues with my Directv HD DVR. UNACCEPTABLE. I sold that unit and am awaiting a working pre/pro - hopefully, the UMC-1. I am very concerned if the UMC-1 cannot positively lock onto the audio signal from DirecTV on an HD DVR. Let me put it more simply.... My plan is to order the UMC-1 and give it a try. Here is my definition of try: I will put it in my system and see if it works correctly. If it works correctly - I'm happy. If it doesn't work correctly, I will IMMEDIATELY call Emotiva and get an RMA number. I have no plans to do firmware updates in my home. I am not going to give anyone the benefit of the doubt that these issues will be fixed in short order. I will simply return the unit and buy something else. I just don't care to be beta-tester unless Emotiva puts me on their payroll. I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I want a quality product delivered the first time without any defects. There are no 2nd chances with me. Why don't you save yourself the trouble and buy a Krell Oops, sorry, they have issues. Ummm, Integra, no, Denon maybe, no they also have issues. Hmmmm, Cary, oh sorry that one also has issues. Hmmmm I'm at a loss here. ;D ;D ;D Lonnie.... Wow... You (as CTO) certainly have had an "attitude adjustment" regarding getting things right the first time. Thank you for that. I look forward to having a trouble-free UMC-1 experience when my pre-order number finally is called. Remember, the goal of any good company is to delivery a quality product, on-time, at the least possible cost. Emotiva has nailed the price factor. I feel confident that your next FW release will be first-rate quality. I'm a little worried about the timing as that has already slipped at least once and you aren't making any promises. |
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Post by mlkmgr on Apr 18, 2010 18:27:12 GMT -5
had another forum member not posted PR suggestions that emo should take, and the many many forum members crying foul over yet another failed firmware update (both in the process of updating and correcting issues) those would still be the same responses you would be receiving. I would link to that PR thread, however it has been completely deleted.
members can defend emo and their products stating "everything" works fine, mods can delete threads so it appears emo staff did the "right thing" from the beginning but in the end, much of this leaves a sour taste about the umc. i want it to work but everything to get to this point now has me contemplating other routes for a pre/pro. only time will tell if emo can truly live up to their words....
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Post by alec60 on Apr 18, 2010 19:38:34 GMT -5
I've been looking at updating my system and have been avidly reading the boards about the UMC. I've been both excited and disappointed by what I have read. However, with the latest updates from Dan and Lonnie, I feel confident about the both the company and product and will be placing my order at the beginning of May for the UMC-1, and an amplifier (or two).
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Post by snodog on Apr 18, 2010 22:05:03 GMT -5
Well I will cut Emotiva some slack for sure seeing that this is their first piece of equipment using HDMI. That has to be difficult to design. It isn't the fw updates that irritate me either which dont really solve all problems. What IS annoying is the fact that the damn thing was delayed and pushed back again and again due to testing and that there was no way Emotiva would allow a buggy product to be released....
I'm not going to say anything that hasnt already been said or thought but really after waiting for two years it would be nice to have a fully working product....by the way did I mention I have had about four dropouts in audio just in the last two or three hours???
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Post by canadianbacon on Apr 19, 2010 9:57:52 GMT -5
Lonnie, it takes a big man to admit an error and to apologize especially considering the audience and how restless they've been. What you might lack in physical stature (or is it that Dan, really is "Big Dan" I Don't know  ). You've more than made up for in humbled determination. Personally I've only been in the audience until today sometime when Fedex finally delivers, however I'm still looking forward to the V5 Machine, which I do still plan to update to V6... and then to V7 when the EMO ducks are all in a row. I hope that the others that have been in the "Heat" of the battle these last few months lighten up on you a little. On paper the UMC really does appear to be a great piece of kit. I guess when you are this far ahead of the curve, there's no road map. Keep on truckin'. Sincerely, Luke W. |
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Post by Raffs on Apr 19, 2010 14:43:24 GMT -5
I personally would like to commend "Big Dan" and Lonnie for laying the cards on the table, It just emphasis why so many want to be a part of the EMO Family.............honesty is very powerful and very often, rare. I personally have been waiting for whats seems a lifetime for orders to open up in May(please don't push that date back!!  so that I can place my order , and plan on throwing in a couple of amps. Cant wait......!!! Hang in there , "the truth shall set you free" |
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Post by snodog on Apr 19, 2010 16:10:22 GMT -5
My god people can go on and on about commending Dan and Lonnie for honesty. Thats great should we expect them to be something other than that? I mean really its business and their business and my money...Sick of the lovey sh** just get the damn thing fixed already!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2010 17:20:30 GMT -5
just get the thing fixed already! based on what I understand, Dan and Lonnie et al are concentrating their efforts full bore to doing precisely what you want. there is nothing more important on the table for them right now, and I get the sense they wish for this to be right. Hopefully this will be over soon. |
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" Some help for Lonnie! Even if Lonnie is the best programmer its always good to have at least one other head in the room (so long as they are good) that can offer a different way to look at the problem and hopefully take some workload off Lonnie so he doesn't burn out 
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). You've more than made up for in humbled determination.
so that I can place my order , and plan on throwing in a couple of amps. Cant wait......!!! Hang in there , "the truth shall set you free" 