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Post by DYohn on Feb 23, 2010 18:54:40 GMT -5
Want to see strong negative accusations? Check out the Emo thread at AVS Forums. AVS became useless to me years ago, as it seems to simply be home to people who love flame wars. It's a shame, as there is a lot of very good information buried there, but it is almost impossible to find these days. |
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Post by owtuv on Feb 23, 2010 19:04:17 GMT -5
Not an issue at all? What you seem to miss is that not being able to pass through native SD resolution, i.e. NTSC 480i and PAL 576i, is a MAJOR LIMITATION of the UMC-1 video system/implementation and a serious DEAL BREAKER for those of us who are looking for an upgrade of our current processor/AVR, but really want to pass through an unmolested video signal to take advantage of our current video processor (dedicated VP, BDP video chip or TV/monitor video system). This LIMITATION is what makes the UMC a useless toy to me and I also fear that the XMC will have the same design limitation. BTW, I´ve repeatedly asked Lonnie to confirm whether or not this is the case, but his SILENCE does tell me this is probably and sadly the reality. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv Like I said, it's not an issue. It is nothing that is wrong with the device. It's a design decision to not support 480i pass through. If it means it does not suit your needs, so be it, but it is not any sort of defect or failure, it's just leaving folks who want this behind. C'est la vie. "C'est la vie" - is it now? Are you speaking for Emotiva? You seem to make a strong effort of hiding or making silly excuses for a serious design limitation of the UMC and probably the XMC as well. I´m not sure that your bold bragging is in Emotiva´s best interest. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 23, 2010 19:07:24 GMT -5
Like I said, it's not an issue. It is nothing that is wrong with the device. It's a design decision to not support 480i pass through. If it means it does not suit your needs, so be it, but it is not any sort of defect or failure, it's just leaving folks who want this behind. C'est la vie. "C'est la vie" - is it now? Are you speaking for Emotiva? You seem to make a strong effort of hiding or making silly excuses for a serious design limitation of the UMC and probably the XMC as well. I´m not sure that your bold bragging is in Emotiva´s best interest. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv I have no connection whatsoever to Emotiva. My point is yes, it may be a limitation for the few who want this feature, but it is what it is. If it's not what you want then it's not what you want but that does not make it defective. |
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Post by nickwin on Feb 23, 2010 19:07:17 GMT -5
It's really not an issue at all. it's a design decision made by Emotiva. The UMC-1 does not pass through 480i signals. The lowest resolution it will output is 480p since it is an ATSC device. So, if you use an old CRT display that is only capable of NTSC broadcast images, you may be in trouble. Not an issue at all? What you seem to miss is that not being able to pass through native SD resolution, i.e. NTSC 480i and PAL 576i, is a MAJOR LIMITATION of the UMC-1 video system/implementation and a serious DEAL BREAKER for those of us who are looking for an upgrade of our current processor/AVR, but really want to pass through an unmolested video signal to take advantage of our current video processor (dedicated VP, BDP video chip or TV/monitor video system). This LIMITATION is what makes the UMC a useless toy to me and I also fear that the XMC will have the same design limitation. BTW, I´ve repeatedly asked Lonnie to confirm whether or not this is the case, but his SILENCE does tell me this is probably and sadly the reality. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv So your saying its a deal breaker because you can't output 480i? The only time I can see that even being a concern is for people with outboard VP. Unless you have an outboard VP, whats wrong with having the UMC upscale the 480i signal? It will probably do a better job than most displays. And how much critical viewing do you do of 480i materiel? I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to figure out in what situation this could be a problem... |
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Post by owtuv on Feb 23, 2010 19:28:00 GMT -5
Not an issue at all? What you seem to miss is that not being able to pass through native SD resolution, i.e. NTSC 480i and PAL 576i, is a MAJOR LIMITATION of the UMC-1 video system/implementation and a serious DEAL BREAKER for those of us who are looking for an upgrade of our current processor/AVR, but really want to pass through an unmolested video signal to take advantage of our current video processor (dedicated VP, BDP video chip or TV/monitor video system). This LIMITATION is what makes the UMC a useless toy to me and I also fear that the XMC will have the same design limitation. BTW, I´ve repeatedly asked Lonnie to confirm whether or not this is the case, but his SILENCE does tell me this is probably and sadly the reality. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv So your saying its a deal breaker because you can't output 480i? The only time I can see that even being a concern is for people with outboard VP. Unless you have an outboard VP, whats wrong with having the UMC upscale the 480i signal? It will probably do a better job than most displays. And how much critical viewing do you do of 480i materiel? I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to figure out in what situation this could be a problem... Yes, it´s easily a deal breaker for those of us having better video processors in the chain, but still want to upgrade our sound processor. I have no idea what Emotiva´s product/market strategy for their processors is, but I simply want to give my honest opinion of their current design as I see it. I don´t have to buy an Emotiva processor if I don´t feel it´s right for me, but being a happy owner of other Emotiva products I´d be seriously considering the XMC if it does not have the same video limitation as the UMC. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 23, 2010 19:43:26 GMT -5
This is a serious question: is the deinterlacing on a VP seriously that much better than the UMC-1 can do? I mean can't you just feed the VP a 480P signal and have it do the heavy lifting (upscaling)? I don't own a VP so never had to deal with this.
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Post by DYohn on Feb 23, 2010 19:55:19 GMT -5
This is a serious question: is the deinterlacing on a VP seriously that much better than the UMC-1 can do? I mean can't you just feed the VP a 480P signal and have it do the heavy lifting (upscaling)? I don't own a VP so never had to deal with this. Yes, you could do that. Apparently some people object to this. |
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Post by nickwin on Feb 23, 2010 20:15:27 GMT -5
This is a serious question: is the deinterlacing on a VP seriously that much better than the UMC-1 can do? I mean can't you just feed the VP a 480P signal and have it do the heavy lifting (upscaling)? I don't own a VP so never had to deal with this. Yes, you could do that. Apparently some people object to this. Yeah, I can't see it being a huge deal either. I mean its only 480i signals that are being altered; for one most people don't even see 480i signals that much, and two, how much difference can there really be between a 480i signal unscaled via VP and 480i upscaled via UMC. It can't look good either way lol. |
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Post by lonnie on Feb 23, 2010 21:36:15 GMT -5
It's really not an issue at all. it's a design decision made by Emotiva. The UMC-1 does not pass through 480i signals. The lowest resolution it will output is 480p since it is an ATSC device. So, if you use an old CRT display that is only capable of NTSC broadcast images, you may be in trouble. Not an issue at all? What you seem to miss is that not being able to pass through native SD resolution, i.e. NTSC 480i and PAL 576i, is a MAJOR LIMITATION of the UMC-1 video system/implementation and a serious DEAL BREAKER for those of us who are looking for an upgrade of our current processor/AVR, but really want to pass through an unmolested video signal to take advantage of our current video processor (dedicated VP, BDP video chip or TV/monitor video system). This LIMITATION is what makes the UMC a useless toy to me and I also fear that the XMC will have the same design limitation. BTW, I´ve repeatedly asked Lonnie to confirm whether or not this is the case, but his SILENCE does tell me this is probably and sadly the reality. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv I understand this will not work for your particular application, but just for clarification, it was done this way by design and is not a limitation as you would suggest. The UMC was designed from the start to be both a VP and AP. In my opinion, I would dare say the scaler in the UMC will easily compete with even the best stand a lone units out there. The Vixen system is really outstanding but like I said this is jsut my opinion. :) |
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Post by zductive on Feb 23, 2010 22:05:16 GMT -5
I find this objection to be a bit over stated. Your video processor can easily de-interlace the video that the UMC-1 feeds it. At that point, the video processor essentially has the original video information and can process it as you wish. Even the DVDO edge does a fine job with this prep function.
On the other hand, unless their video chip requires it, I don't see why pass through can't be pass-through. If the chip must process the video, then let it adjust the opacity of the overlays.
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Post by loopinfool on Feb 23, 2010 22:46:39 GMT -5
I find this objection to be a bit over stated. Your video processor can easily de-interlace the video that the UMC-1 feeds it. It may be over-stated. Except for truly rare cadences, the UMC-1 probably does as good a job of de-interlacing as any processor out there. The video processor can still do the scaling if it's better at it than the UMC-1 or the display. However, you're wrong about still being able to use the video processor (after the UMC-1) for the de-interlacing. The UMC-1 can not pass 480i through HDMI. It will either de-interlace it to 480i or process/scale it to higher resolutions. - LoopinFool |
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Post by pynchon on Feb 23, 2010 23:36:10 GMT -5
With a DVDO edge you can simply connect an hdmi between it and the umc-1 for audio only then an hdmi from cable to edge and blu ray to edge and from edge to tv.
From what I know that's the most popular outboard video pro right now, so even the minor issue is a complete non issue.
I would imagine more costly video processors also allow this type of set-up.
So again, where is the issue?
From Anchor Bay site:
"2 HDMI 1.3 Outputs - 1 that supports audio and video that can be connected directly to an HDTV and 1 that supports audio only that can be connected directly to A/V Receiver. An Optical Digital audio output is also available for legacy A/V receivers that do not support HDMI?"
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Post by merton on Feb 24, 2010 0:02:04 GMT -5
"AVS became useless to me years ago, as it seems to simply be home to people who love flame wars. It's a shame, as there is a lot of very good information buried there, but it is almost impossible to find these days."
2nd that. I hung out there when there were issues with my LG ota DVR and Comcast 6412 cable box. They lost me when the threads got to be over 200 pages. Some of the threads got to be > 2k pages.
At first I was concerned that this forum was run and controlled by the company, but now I'm pretty convinced Emo does a good job of allowing dissention while limiting the occasional troll.
Jim
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Post by bazonix on Feb 24, 2010 9:08:38 GMT -5
guys... how hot does the umc run please? iv noticed fins on the top, so does this mean it requires onkyoesque clearance?!! ;D cheers!
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Post by jmilton on Feb 24, 2010 9:27:57 GMT -5
Mine runs cool to slightly warm. Give it an inch or so for ventilation and you'll be good.
(...or is it centimeters for you guys across the pond?)
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Post by bazonix on Feb 24, 2010 9:47:43 GMT -5
haha! its both to the mathstickmen  im really looking forward to getting one over here.... ;D |
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Post by owtuv on Feb 24, 2010 10:05:38 GMT -5
I understand this will not work for your particular application, but just for clarification, it was done this way by design and is not a limitation as you would suggest. The UMC was designed from the start to be both a VP and AP. In my opinion, I would dare say the scaler in the UMC will easily compete with even the best stand a lone units out there. The Vixen system is really outstanding but like I said this is jsut my opinion. :) Hi Lonnie, Well, I never actually intended to buy the UMC, but rather wait for the XMC. Since the two processors are basically based upon the same platform, I fear the same limitation might apply to the XMC as well. This is the reason I´ve asked you a number of times now if you could please confirm whether or not this is the case? Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv |
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 24, 2010 10:25:59 GMT -5
How warm does the UMC-1 get?
Same as what Jmilton said - slightly warm. So far, mine has not come near the soldering iron, egg-frying capabilities of an Onkyo.
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Post by powerwindow on Feb 24, 2010 14:08:01 GMT -5
How warm does the UMC-1 get? Same as what Jmilton said - slightly warm. So far, mine has not come near the soldering iron, egg-frying capabilities of an Onkyo. My Harman Kardon can also make pancake batter bubble, and that's just using it as a pre to my XPA-5. I don't understand how it gets so hot w/out any of the amp circuits working? The X-5 on the other hand doesn't even break a sweat. A little cool down in the gear cabinet will be welcomed. |
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Post by pmd918 on Feb 24, 2010 17:41:39 GMT -5
So your saying its a deal breaker because you can't output 480i? The only time I can see that even being a concern is for people with outboard VP. Unless you have an outboard VP, whats wrong with having the UMC upscale the 480i signal? It will probably do a better job than most displays. And how much critical viewing do you do of 480i materiel? I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to figure out in what situation this could be a problem... Yes, it´s easily a deal breaker for those of us having better video processors in the chain, but still want to upgrade our sound processor. I have no idea what Emotiva´s product/market strategy for their processors is, but I simply want to give my honest opinion of their current design as I see it. I don´t have to buy an Emotiva processor if I don´t feel it´s right for me, but being a happy owner of other Emotiva products I´d be seriously considering the XMC if it does not have the same video limitation as the UMC. Best regards, Ole Willy Tuv I personally wouldn't classify the 480i "issue" as a major one, but for you it clearly is. So therefore it is important. But isn't there an easy workaround for this - move your VP ahead of the UMC-1 and use pass-thru mode. This assumes, of course, that in pass-through mode that the signal is, in fact, not altered in any way. |
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im really looking forward to getting one over here.... ;D 
