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Post by SticknStones on Apr 15, 2010 14:15:41 GMT -5
I have the DVDO VP 20 and have been using it for 1080P and HDMI for a few years. I only use my Denon for the audio.
I too had thought Emotiva might be better served to separate the Video functions from the Audio but since the UMC has a combination of improvements effecting audio and video I do not think it would have solved much this go round. The one area that does make sense is that the pace of change in video is faster than audio in my view so once they get EMOQ, DSP and the codecs stable that part of the device would have a long life compared to video.
I love the DVDO VP20 it is very convenient.
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Post by ratmice on Apr 15, 2010 14:17:53 GMT -5
Yes. I was going to pair the UMC-1 with an EDGE or Duo. Now, I'm just not sure. May have to hold out for the 2010 offerings from the other guys. I really wish Pioneer would make an ELITE pre/pro.
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Post by jamesflames on Apr 15, 2010 14:19:25 GMT -5
I was still considering using a combo of the UMC-1 and the DVDO Duo until I learned that the UMC-1 doesn't pass 480i. If I understand correctly the UMC-1 processes every video signal somehow, someway. Not bashing the unit at all as I do not own, but pass through should be just that, pass through.
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Post by ratmice on Apr 15, 2010 14:46:20 GMT -5
I was still considering using a combo of the UMC-1 and the DVDO Duo until I learned that the UMC-1 doesn't pass 480i. If I understand correctly the UMC-1 processes every video signal somehow, someway. Not bashing the unit at all as I do not own, but pass through should be just that, pass through. You are correct, no 480i passthrough, and to get the OSD there must be some processing done. These are liveable situations, as the PreP in the DVDO units can "undo" the deinterlacing so you are starting from 480i, the (non) pass-through is not ideal, but I think the amount of processing is just to overlay OSD, and thus not really a problem. Although a real pass-through would be preferable. What are your plans now? |
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Post by petes on Apr 15, 2010 14:53:33 GMT -5
I was still considering using a combo of the UMC-1 and the DVDO Duo until I learned that the UMC-1 doesn't pass 480i. If I understand correctly the UMC-1 processes every video signal somehow, someway. Not bashing the unit at all as I do not own, but pass through should be just that, pass through. I'm also looking to pair it with a Duo, but surely you'd feed the video to the Duo first, just pass a secondary video/audio feed to the UMC, and just use its output for intial setup and then feed the video directly from the Duo for most of the time. So, the video processing of the UMC doesn't really matter to my mind. |
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Post by bootman on Apr 15, 2010 15:01:15 GMT -5
If I did add an external video processor I would be happy to use the UMC-1 as an "audio only" processor due to the quality of the UMC-1's audio and the price I paid for the unit. If the UMC-1 cost $2k then I might have a different opinion, but at $699 having the UMC-1's video processing is a bonus. Besides, how much money would you expect to save with just an audio processor instead of the UMC-1? EXACTLY! $699.00 for the sound of the UMC, the video is icing on top of the audio cake. They(Emo) are very obviously working hard to make things right and trying to make everyone happy as much as humanly possible by such a small company. If they weren't, then their presence here would be non-existent. Yes a few bugs are annoying, but sounding as good as it does along with the price point and Emo's awareness of what's going on, how can you *bleep*? The big picture here is how much of a value Emotiva is offering more people(us) the ability to have such great sounding gear at a great price. Our support, understanding, and patience will only benefit the end user(again us)!  Customers have a right to complain if the bug in question makes the UMC unusable in their system. This holds true regardless of brand or gear. No matter how inexpensive, if it doesn't work, its not really worth much is it? But for those that have a UMC working in a compatible system, the reviews have been great. No product is 100% immune to some sort of system incompatibility. HDMI and copy protection has made sure of that.  |
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Post by jamesflames on Apr 15, 2010 16:40:21 GMT -5
I was still considering using a combo of the UMC-1 and the DVDO Duo until I learned that the UMC-1 doesn't pass 480i. If I understand correctly the UMC-1 processes every video signal somehow, someway. Not bashing the unit at all as I do not own, but pass through should be just that, pass through. I'm also looking to pair it with a Duo, but surely you'd feed the video to the Duo first, just pass a secondary video/audio feed to the UMC, and just use its output for intial setup and then feed the video directly from the Duo for most of the time. So, the video processing of the UMC doesn't really matter to my mind. That is pretty much what I would do now. I'd send all video sources to the duo and then output straight to my monitor. I'd use the audio only output on the duo and send that to the UMC-1. Only thing is I'm hearing multiple users complain about the latest firmware. I wonder if Emotiva is testing the units they have upgraded as my order is up. |
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Post by petes on Apr 15, 2010 16:58:29 GMT -5
I'm also looking to pair it with a Duo, but surely you'd feed the video to the Duo first, just pass a secondary video/audio feed to the UMC, and just use its output for intial setup and then feed the video directly from the Duo for most of the time. So, the video processing of the UMC doesn't really matter to my mind. That is pretty much what I would do now. I'd send all video sources to the duo and then output straight to my monitor. I'd use the audio only output on the duo and send that to the UMC-1. Only thing is I'm hearing multiple users complain about the latest firmware. I wonder if Emotiva is testing the units they have upgraded as my order is up. I thought I might use the second video/audio output so the UMC has some video signal to work with - not sure how it will react in terms of things like OSD with no video. Then, run a second hdmi to the second hdmi input on the panel and just use that for setup etc. Might not be necessary, but since I don't run a second zone, nothing to lose either. Might be interesting for a bit of a/b comparison of what the UMC does with video.... |
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Post by jamesflames on Apr 15, 2010 17:07:28 GMT -5
That is pretty much what I would do now. I'd send all video sources to the duo and then output straight to my monitor. I'd use the audio only output on the duo and send that to the UMC-1. Only thing is I'm hearing multiple users complain about the latest firmware. I wonder if Emotiva is testing the units they have upgraded as my order is up. I thought I might use the second video/audio output so the UMC has some video signal to work with - not sure how it will react in terms of things like OSD with no video. Then, run a second hdmi to the second hdmi input on the panel and just use that for setup etc. Might not be necessary, but since I don't run a second zone, nothing to lose either. Might be interesting for a bit of a/b comparison of what the UMC does with video.... Does the Duo display video through both outputs simultaneously? I thought that was one caveat to the system. Otherwise I might purchase for the same reasons you state, which is to do an A/B comparison. |
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Post by ratmice on Apr 15, 2010 17:07:33 GMT -5
That's what I was considering, too. ^ ^ ^ ^
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Post by petes on Apr 15, 2010 17:33:00 GMT -5
That's what I was considering, too. ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | | No - I hadn't realised that. The docs said .... Dual HDMI 1.3 outputs enable the simultaneous
use of two Deep Color displays, with up to 12-bit output at 1080p-60. An additional
HDMI 1.3 audio-only output makes for a convenient and efficient connection to an
A/V receiver or audio processor. ..... but it looks like it was marketing speak. DVDO have confirmed that the hardware is there to do it, but not the firmware. There doesn't seem to be confirmation at the mo of if they're gonna fix it. |
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Post by Woodpecker on Apr 15, 2010 21:39:37 GMT -5
Customers have a right to complain if the bug in question makes the UMC unusable in their system. This holds true regardless of brand or gear. No matter how inexpensive, if it doesn't work, its not really worth much is it? But for those that have a UMC working in a compatible system, the reviews have been great. No product is 100% immune to some sort of system incompatibility. HDMI and copy protection has made sure of that. Yep. HDMI with all of its uber control sucks! |
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