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Post by BillBauman on Sept 9, 2010 8:37:38 GMT -5
Is The XMC-1 use Cirrus® 32 bit or Sigma Designs GF9450 ? Thanks. Neither. That may change. As it stands, the video switching for the XMC-1 is designed around an Analog Devices solution.
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Post by jutta on Sept 9, 2010 8:43:38 GMT -5
Assuming the XMC will have a phono input and CD for that matter as I'm guessing it will, will there be any need for me to keep the USP-1 in the system? I know no one really knows yet but I would have thought that a dedicated PreAmp (USP-1) would still help the analogue AQ?
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Post by BillBauman on Sept 9, 2010 8:52:26 GMT -5
Assuming the XMC will have a phono input and CD for that matter as I'm guessing it will, will there be any need for me to keep the USP-1 in the system? I know no one really knows yet but I would have thought that a dedicated PreAmp (USP-1) would still help the analogue AQ? As of right now, there is no planned phono input for the XMC-1.
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Post by jutta on Sept 9, 2010 8:54:06 GMT -5
Assuming the XMC will have a phono input and CD for that matter as I'm guessing it will, will there be any need for me to keep the USP-1 in the system? I know no one really knows yet but I would have thought that a dedicated PreAmp (USP-1) would still help the analogue AQ? As of right now, there is no planned phono input for the XMC-1. Thats cool, I love my USP-1 anyway!!!!
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Post by billmac on Sept 9, 2010 8:56:42 GMT -5
To me the XMC-1 is still a prepro and to not have features such as video processing and legacy video inputs/output (at least component) as well as two HDMI outputs will really limit the sales of the XMC-1 no matter what the cost is IMO. But then again there is no formal announcement of the feature set of the XMC-1 but one would think that Emotiva would take a look at what the competition is selling . Bill
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Post by BillBauman on Sept 9, 2010 9:13:46 GMT -5
To me the XMC-1 is still a prepro and to not have features such as video processing and legacy video inputs/output (at least component) as well as two HDMI outputs will really limit the sales of the XMC-1 no matter what the cost is IMO. But then again there is no formal announcement of the feature set of the XMC-1 but one would think that Emotiva would take a look at what the competition is selling . Bill When you say "formal" do you mean a final, completed, this is what we're selling, it's available to buy, announcement? Or, do you mean a rendering and official spec of what is proposed as the upcoming product? We have the latter, not the former. I believe that the 'final spec' is still heavily subject to change. I think there may be missing pieces from the XMC-1 that will limit its viability. But, then again, maybe it will sell enough, in its current planned incarnation, that it's just fine with all of its limitations.
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Post by SticknStones on Sept 9, 2010 9:17:58 GMT -5
Assuming the XMC will have a phono input and CD for that matter as I'm guessing it will, will there be any need for me to keep the USP-1 in the system? I know no one really knows yet but I would have thought that a dedicated PreAmp (USP-1) would still help the analogue AQ? As of right now, there is no planned phono input for the XMC-1. This is a major contradiction of a conversation I had with Lonnie a couple months ago. Not sure what is up now but the perspectives are all over the place including mine! Not productive and very misleading from many of us including me. I can now safely say I have no idea what the X series system architectures are intending to be and what role the individual components intend to play in terms of total system. Please disregard my earlier posts and I will delete them later. I feel like I am now speculating my views based on older information that seems to have changed and that is not my style. My apologies everyone!
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Post by billmac on Sept 9, 2010 9:24:32 GMT -5
No, I mean an announcement from Emotiva saying what features the XMC-1 will have. Yes. But is there really that much of a difference? I mean look at all the upcoming AVRs and prepros being announced from Denon, Integra, Onkyo and others that have announcements and features shown long before being released. Thats fine but if one is looking for a prepro and is willing to wait a bit. But without knowing the feature set or seeing that feature set change week to week will have some looking at other choices instead of waiting for the XMC-1. To me it seems Emotiva needs to make up their mind of which direction the XMC-1 will go or prespective buyers will get frustrated. Bill
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Post by BillBauman on Sept 9, 2010 9:50:16 GMT -5
Thats fine but if one is looking for a prepro and is willing to wait a bit. But without knowing the feature set or seeing that feature set change week to week will have some looking at other choices instead of waiting for the XMC-1. To me it seems Emotiva needs to make up their mind of which direction the XMC-1 will go or prespective buyers will get frustrated. Bill I think we're all, including Emotiva, frustrated at this point. I really do see where the industry has messed this whole thing up. I'm sort of "over" HDMI and all the problems it's caused at this point. I wish that meant I could just avoid it, sadly, that isn't feasible, really. Emotiva has said many times, 'this is it' and had to change it for one reason or another. I don't expect the current spec to stick, but I'm also leaving room there for, "what the hell, ship 'this' and let's just see how well it sells."
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Post by DYohn on Sept 9, 2010 11:07:37 GMT -5
I don't even want a turntable in my home theater. In a music room, maybe... but to me a phono preamp in an HT processor is really out of place. To each his own, and I know many users have one system they use for everything... but that's why separates and things like outboard phono preamps exist, so each user can build the custom system they want.
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 9, 2010 11:23:05 GMT -5
To me the XMC-1 is still a prepro and to not have features such as video processing and legacy video inputs/output (at least component) as well as two HDMI outputs will really limit the sales of the XMC-1 no matter what the cost is IMO. But then again there is no formal announcement of the feature set of the XMC-1 but one would think that Emotiva would take a look at what the competition is selling . Bill Bill, I'm one of those that would like to see a 2nd HDMI output, but can live with one, thus not a deal breaker for me. I understand that some members, have sources that require legacy video inputs, but aren't those sources becoming more and more outdated? I keep seeing posts that the XMC-1 should have all the latest, up to date, cutting edge features yet many are lamenting over old technologies? I thought the whole idea of excluding the legacy inputs was to move away from the old sources and move into the present day of cutting edge products, and to spend that money on improving other sections of the XMC-1. At the first EmoFest presentation, Big Dan and Lonnie, said that this processor would have a true pass-through. I took that to mean that I would now be able to allow my Oppo(with really good video processing) and Motorola set-top-box, and any other HDMI product that one may have, to send their video signal through untouched and thus working as a video switcher. If no legacy inputs why the need for full fledged video processing? I can see where those with legacy video only outputs would not be considering the XMC-1, but if you have all digital video sources then the XMC-1 would definitely be considered. I believe Emotiva is looking to those with mainstream sources. This is my perspective on where I think Emotiva is going with this processor and not Emotiva's, so please do not mistake my words for any official statement by Big Dan or Lonnie, because they are not.
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Post by dougie085 on Sept 9, 2010 11:25:07 GMT -5
I'm with you DYohn, a phono pre in a high end Pre/pro doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe if it were a receiver. And to be honest a good phono preamp is almost always going to be external and most of the audiophiles I know who own TT's wouldn't even consider an internal one.
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Post by matt on Sept 9, 2010 13:44:15 GMT -5
It seems like if you wanted a good phono amp, the XSP-1's phono would be used. If a phono is used in the home theater scenario, the home theater bypass feature would be used with the XSP-1 and XMC-1 together.
While I do not use component, I imagine that someone might if their cable, DVR, or satellite box did not yet offer HDMI, it would be useful. A component video to HDMI converter could be used. I still use composite for my Velodyne DD-12 sub and s-video for my SNES, which I play about once a year. If I used the XMC-1 as it is, I would have to hook the video up directly to the projector. Doing that or using a HDMI converter would kind of defeat the purpose of having a pre/pro to begin with. At that point, the XMC-1 simply becomes a HDMI switch with a good audio preamp. Then what are all of the analog audio inputs for...without corresponding analog video inputs...especially given that the XSP-1 will rule over analog audio only anyway? I am confused about what they are trying to accomplish with this new design. Perhaps it is supposed to be a hybrid that combines a "XSP-1 lite" and HDMI switching?
I am familiar with the "no legacy" mentality from not too long ago in the computer industry. Computer motherboard manufactures tried that by eliminating the PS/2, COM ports, parallel port, and floppy connector. They were early to try that concept out, and while a few computer enthusiasts bought them, those motherboards were far from mainstream. Eventually, it became more mainstream and profitable, but not for many years later. I worry that the "no legacy" pre/pro may be a bit to early to be profitable.
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Post by billmac on Sept 9, 2010 14:23:14 GMT -5
To be honest I have not had many issues with HDMI. If that process works for Emotiva thats fine. It just gets confusing trying to follow what is the feature set and what is not . Bill
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Post by billmac on Sept 9, 2010 14:39:24 GMT -5
I don't even want a turntable in my home theater. In a music room, maybe... but to me a phono preamp in an HT processor is really out of place. To each his own, and I know many users have one system they use for everything... but that's why separates and things like outboard phono preamps exist, so each user can build the custom system they want. Well maybe you do not want a phono input but others might. If one wants to get into vinyl or break out their old albums then it would be a welcome option IMO. I understand the concept behind seperates but by the looks of it you will need an external phono preamp and video processor if one wants these features with the prepro one is buying. With the additional added cost it could just about double the cost where a prepro with these features included would not. Looking over the proposed features of the XMC-1 from last year it seems that quite a few features will be dropped from the XMC-1 but still at $999.00. It will be very interesting to see what the final feature set of the XMC-1 will be. Bill
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Post by visiter555 on Sept 9, 2010 15:52:35 GMT -5
I would love to see Emo just label the video inputs V1 to V8 No more of trying to remeber if it was VCR and which input VCR actually is as to source... Unfortunately this is way to simple... SIGH
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Post by spursfan on Sept 9, 2010 17:11:52 GMT -5
I don't even want a turntable in my home theater. In a music room, maybe... but to me a phono preamp in an HT processor is really out of place. To each his own, and I know many users have one system they use for everything... but that's why separates and things like outboard phono preamps exist, so each user can build the custom system they want. Well maybe you do not want a phono input but others might. If one wants to get into vinyl or break out their old albums then it would be a welcome option IMO. I understand the concept behind seperates but by the looks of it you will need an external phono preamp and video processor if one wants these features with the prepro one is buying. With the additional added cost it could just about double the cost where a prepro with these features included would not. Looking over the proposed features of the XMC-1 from last year it seems that quite a few features will be dropped from the XMC-1 but still at $999.00. It will be very interesting to see what the final feature set of the XMC-1 will be. Bill Totally agree with your last paragraph. If you notice I have been a member of this board for a long time...I visit less and less now, mostly because the vibe on the forum since the UMC came out has been pretty childish (IMO). It was very polarizing, either your a fan boy or a complainer, not much in the way of moderates. Anyway, I mainly just drop by now again for possible updates on the long awaited XMC. I can tell you sincerely that the lastest incarnation of the XMC is nothing close to what was promised. Personally, had I known then what I know now...I would've never waited for the XMC. I think its a shell of what was promised, am disappointed and I can't believe more people aren't upset... I don't even know if they still have the original pre order list from the beginning but if they do they can scratch my name off...I don't expect anything, guess I just wanted to vent. Not all flowers and sugar plums....at least for me. Good news is I can choose a different pre/pro with no qualms. Marantz here I come.
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Post by Animo on Sept 9, 2010 17:34:03 GMT -5
Well maybe you do not want a phono input but others might. If one wants to get into vinyl or break out their old albums then it would be a welcome option IMO. I understand the concept behind seperates but by the looks of it you will need an external phono preamp and video processor if one wants these features with the prepro one is buying. With the additional added cost it could just about double the cost where a prepro with these features included would not. Looking over the proposed features of the XMC-1 from last year it seems that quite a few features will be dropped from the XMC-1 but still at $999.00. It will be very interesting to see what the final feature set of the XMC-1 will be. Bill Totally agree with your last paragraph. If you notice I have been a member of this board for a long time...I visit less and less now, mostly because the vibe on the forum since the UMC came out has been pretty childish (IMO). It was very polarizing, either your a fan boy or a complainer, not much in the way of moderates. Anyway, I mainly just drop by now again for possible updates on the long awaited XMC. I can tell you sincerely that the lastest incarnation of the XMC is nothing close to what was promised. Personally, had I known then what I know now...I would've never waited for the XMC. I think its a shell of what was promised, am disappointed and I can't believe more people aren't upset... I don't even know if they still have the original pre order list from the beginning but if they do they can scratch my name off...I don't expect anything, guess I just wanted to vent. Not all flowers and sugar plums....at least for me. Good news is I can choose a different pre/pro with no qualms. Marantz here I come. I'm with you spursfan. You hit the nail right on the head. Originally UMC and XMC were going to be generation 2 processors. I mainly passed on the UMC because I wanted the balanced outputs and the phono stage. Now it's generation 3, no phono , no legacy video, etc. I don't mind the wait, I've been on the XMC preorder list almost since day 1, however, my Outlaw is doing just fine for my needs, with the only exception being a phono stage. I would really love to see exactly whether the XMC will still fit my needs or not. On another note, my understanding for the phase out of the legacy video inputs has something to do with copyrights since Blu Ray came out. I guess that's why in my area, I see a lot of pirated DVDs, but not Blu Rays.
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Post by DYohn on Sept 9, 2010 17:35:30 GMT -5
Like I said, to each his own. I am simply posting my preference that any HT pre/pro I use in my system will not need a phono preamp. If you need or want a phono preamp then you should buy a processor that has one, or like I said earlier use a stand alone. Simple, really.
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Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 9, 2010 18:03:07 GMT -5
Well I hope that the HIGH end one has 9.2 at minimum. That would be the Onkyo way. Pointless! 11.2 or don't bother at all, that's my opinion. If you want DSX, you don't want to choose between Height an Width. You want both!
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