exx
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Post by exx on Oct 7, 2010 8:04:48 GMT -5
Hi
I ve a full klipsch system
2*RF63 1*RC64 2*RS52 2*B2
And an Onkyo 3007
I think, sometime, my RC64 needs "more"
Then i ld like to add a XPA3 to my system But it seems Emotiva guys think klipsch should not be associated with XPA ampli
What s your point ?
Here an answer from emo :
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Post by altpensacola on Oct 7, 2010 10:28:54 GMT -5
Hi I ve a full klipsch system 2*RF63 1*RC64 2*RS52 2*B2 And an Onkyo 3007 I think, sometime, my RC64 needs "more" Then i ld like to add a XPA3 to my system But it seems Emotiva guys think klipsch should not be associated with XPA ampli What s your point ? Here an answer from emo : That is one person, and I think maybe they heard a noisy amp. My Klipsch LOVE THE XPA, for over a year now. I am still amazed how it sounds, and I crank it up. (boy do I crank it up!)AND if it is on and nothing is playing I would have to look at it to see that it is actually on. I play a very diverse range of music, from Polka to Punk. and all the acoustical, Jazzy and comforting stuff in between. Never heard any "treble noise." * And nothing against the UPA,s (not around when I bought) I just don't think I would have settled there (mental itch!) my big speakers deserve an X! I have Klipsch Reference all around. *I have heard poorly produced CD's though, they are out there, and you should not judge a system playing that crap.
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Post by klpardo on Oct 7, 2010 12:21:46 GMT -5
I would listen to the experts. It's doubtful you're ever using more than a few watts of your amps as it is, so the one with the least THD and noise floor where you'll be using it the most is the smartest choice, and accoring to Emo it sounds like the UPA series is that.
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Post by flamingeye on Oct 7, 2010 12:47:25 GMT -5
I don`t think you would have a problem with the XPA`s ,but Emo are the experts on there amps so I would take there advise plus there saving you $$ of course if you like to play at ear damaging concert levels continuously the XPAs may be better for you
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Post by rygher3 on Oct 7, 2010 13:47:01 GMT -5
I have heard of more efficient speakers having a hiss from the XPA's on numerous occasions. I don't think its a Klipsch only thing though. I'd call Emo and see what they say if I were you
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Post by roadrunner on Oct 7, 2010 17:02:26 GMT -5
Emotiva is simply trying to tell you that when you combine the extremely efficient Klipsch drivers with the very high gain of the XPA Series amps you may hear a slight "hiss" from your treble driver. Depending on how close your speakers are to your sitting area, you may be able to hear the hiss when no signal is being fed to the speakers. The XPA amps have a gain of 32 whereas the UPA amps have a gain of 27. The UPA series also has a slightly lower noise floor than the XPA series.
Once there is any music or sound track signal introduced the hiss totally disappears. It is just that a few owners have complained about hearing a hiss after hooking up their Klipsch speakers and Emotiva was alerting you that you MIGHT also hear a hiss and be unhappy about it. Not every one hears a hiss, but enough owners do, so Emotiva wants you to know that the UPA amps will not exhibit the hiss some XPA owners hear. The other part of recommending the UPA amps is simply that they have more power than you will ever need to drive the speakers you own. The UPA-5 has more than enough muscle to cause permanent damage to your ears when driving speakers as efficient as your Klipsch.
Not only do the UPA series amps provide a better match for the Klipsch, they can save you some serious money... especially with the current sale price on the UPA-5 for $399.
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Post by exx on Oct 7, 2010 17:28:43 GMT -5
Yes but i don t know if the UPA will be able to make such an improvement over my current onkyo 3007 No gain in the power part (onkyo delivers even more power in stereo than the UPA2/7)
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Post by erict on Oct 7, 2010 17:32:12 GMT -5
Emotiva is simply trying to tell you that when you combine the extremely efficient Klipsch drivers with the very high gain of the XPA Series amps you may hear a slight "hiss" from your treble driver. Depending on how close your speakers are to your sitting area, you may be able to hear the hiss when no signal is being fed to the speakers. The XPA amps have a gain of 32 whereas the UPA amps have a gain of 27. The UPA series also has a slightly lower noise floor than the XPA series. Once there is any music or sound track signal introduced the hiss totally disappears. It is just that a few owners have complained about hearing a hiss after hooking up their Klipsch speakers and Emotiva was alerting you that you MIGHT also hear a hiss and be unhappy about it. Not every one hears a hiss, but enough owners do, so Emotiva wants you to know that the UPA amps will not exhibit the hiss some XPA owners hear. The other part of recommending the UPA amps is simply that they have more power than you will ever need to drive the speakers you own. The UPA-5 has more than enough muscle to cause permanent damage to your ears when driving speakers as efficient as your Klipsch. Not only do the UPA series amps provide a better match for the Klipsch, they can save you some serious money... especially with the current sale price on the UPA-5 for $399. The XPA and UPA both have 32db of gain
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Post by altpensacola on Oct 7, 2010 17:43:30 GMT -5
Yes, listen to the experts. And go over to the Klipsch board and see how many people there have XPA's. AND LOVE THEM.
KLIPSCH DO NOT SUCK WITH THE XPA -! That was your question. If the UPA is the same as your current receiver you might gain something and you might not. That Halloween UPA price is sweet, get two of them and bi -AMP if you are worried about it. Or get the XPA and never look back. I have the RC64 and it is dead quiet when resting! So are my RF7's. And no I am not hard of hearing. Been tested.
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Post by roadrunner on Oct 7, 2010 17:57:31 GMT -5
Emotiva is simply trying to tell you that when you combine the extremely efficient Klipsch drivers with the very high gain of the XPA Series amps you may hear a slight "hiss" from your treble driver. Depending on how close your speakers are to your sitting area, you may be able to hear the hiss when no signal is being fed to the speakers. The XPA amps have a gain of 32 whereas the UPA amps have a gain of 27. The UPA series also has a slightly lower noise floor than the XPA series. Once there is any music or sound track signal introduced the hiss totally disappears. It is just that a few owners have complained about hearing a hiss after hooking up their Klipsch speakers and Emotiva was alerting you that you MIGHT also hear a hiss and be unhappy about it. Not every one hears a hiss, but enough owners do, so Emotiva wants you to know that the UPA amps will not exhibit the hiss some XPA owners hear. The other part of recommending the UPA amps is simply that they have more power than you will ever need to drive the speakers you own. The UPA-5 has more than enough muscle to cause permanent damage to your ears when driving speakers as efficient as your Klipsch. Not only do the UPA series amps provide a better match for the Klipsch, they can save you some serious money... especially with the current sale price on the UPA-5 for $399. The XPA and UPA both have 32db of gain Oops. I meant to type 29 db gain for the UPA amps. I know the product page lists the gain at 32 db, but if you check the Audio Precision Test data you will see that it is actually at 29 db. The combined lower gain and the UPA's lower noise floor were the main point I was attempting to explain. Forgive my typo. I thought I entered 29 db and missed the 27 db when I proofed it.
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Post by roadrunner on Oct 7, 2010 18:17:45 GMT -5
Yes but i don t know if the UPA will be able to make such an improvement over my current onkyo 3007 No gain in the power part (onkyo delivers even more power in stereo than the UPA2/7) Keep in mind that Emotiva posts very conservative numbers on their product pages; and, the power output they report is for all channels driven and for all audible frequencies... not a static 1K as most vendors do. The 2-channel figure while be considerably higher than the all channels reported by Emotiva. Audioholics very recently tested the Emotiva UPA-7 power amp. You can find their power measurements at the following link. www.audioholics.com/reviews/amplifiers/emotiva-upa-7/upa7-measurementsAnother point you need to be aware of is that separate amps almost always sound better than the amps within AVRs for a number of reasons. Many users have reported their UPA amps sounding far better than their more powerful AVR amps, to their surprise. Emotiva amps are noted for making receiver owners exhuberant when replacing their receiver's amps with an external Emo amp. You have a 30-day trial period, see for yourself what difference it makes in your listening pleasure, if any. If you don't find the Emotiva amps provide a significant improvement you will be the first person to report that; and, you can return it no questions asked.
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Post by browe1967 on Oct 7, 2010 18:42:55 GMT -5
I ran an XPA3 with my RVX42 on wall LCR's for movies and with my 15 year old CF-1s for 2-channel and I must say I was very impressed. I had to sell it due to some issues I had but do intend to replace it.
You will not be sorry. I am actually thinking of the UPA5 at 399. Yikes!
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 7, 2010 19:30:32 GMT -5
My Klipsch Legend (fronts/center) & Reference (surrounds) series speaker mix seem to thrive on my XPA-5. No one that I've demoed blu-rays for has ever described my speakers as "suck"ing. ;D
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 7, 2010 19:55:59 GMT -5
Yes but i don t know if the UPA will be able to make such an improvement over my current onkyo 3007 No gain in the power part (onkyo delivers even more power in stereo than the UPA2/7) Your 3007 is an excellent receiver and quite powerful too. But adding an UPA-5 (only $399 right now!), will give you + on sound quality. Just use your 3007 for those extra Back and Width surrounds. Your 3007 will breathe more air. Everything will be more RELAX. Me think.
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Post by RichGuy on Oct 7, 2010 21:15:31 GMT -5
Emotiva and Klipsch are excellent together, Klipsch speakers love the extra power. The power of an XPA-3 will make your front 3 speakers shine as never before. No your speakers won't hiss, but they will come alive with much better bass and imaging you'll love it!
If you go to the Klipsch forum you will see that the Emotiva XPA amps are very popular with Klipsch owners, including me.
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Post by vital on Oct 7, 2010 21:30:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure where you heard that the XPA is not a good match for Klipsch because all of us that run them on the Klipsch forum love the combo. I'm running an XPA-2 and an XPA-5 on Klipsch RF-7s and Klipsch Chorus lls and it's a great match. The XPA is good clean power. The XPA-2 makes my RF-7s breathe like you've never heard before.
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Post by USNRet on Oct 7, 2010 21:40:50 GMT -5
I just went from a dead quite NOS Valve's VRD Stereo 45 tube amp to the XPA-1s. While I love the tubes I didn't have the bottom end I wanted. Is there floor noise 'hiss' with the XPAs on my very efficient modded Belles? Hell yes, and I don't like hearing it between tracks and at idle. My solution is to save up until I can bi-amp using the XPA on the bottom and a new pair of Craig's VRD monos on the top. Best of both worlds.
BTW, I hear nothing from my RF-83/RC-64 HT combo on the XPA-5 but then the RFs are not nearly as efficient.
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Post by exx on Oct 8, 2010 3:23:59 GMT -5
Thanks for your answers Unfortunately i wont be able to do the 30 days trick return because i'm french (thank you for that maybe then my english is not so crap) Anyway i think i will give a try to the UPA5 and its "special price" usnret it's funny to see you are running on an "onkyo/klipsch/emotiva/SVS" system too I ve got a PB12 NSD and this stuff is a beast
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Post by wizardofoz on Oct 8, 2010 6:03:47 GMT -5
I have no issues with upa2 or upa7 with my klipsch's
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Post by broncsrule21 on Oct 8, 2010 9:51:08 GMT -5
If you are in France, go the safe route. Get the UPA. Emotiva is just trying to be upfront and honest with you instead of making the higher dollar sale. I do trust the Klipch owners on this board, there still is some risk envolved since the shipping would be an issue.
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