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Post by edoggrc51 on Jan 2, 2011 23:32:46 GMT -5
I have two of these and I would agree with this statement. I go and look at my U12's and nothing jumps out at me as "wow" amazing parts. I would categorize it as a sub that performs beyond it's pricepoint much like most of EMO's other offerings. Agreed. Careful though, the Emo posse might start targeting you for agreeing with me and not putting your Emo products on a high enough pedestal. ;D You mean like the resident Rythmik gremlin that hangs around here? ;D
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Post by stuofsci02 on Jan 2, 2011 23:34:12 GMT -5
I'm sure a site that gets direct advertising revenue from Emotiva and "reviews" one of their products is going to be REAL CRITICAL of a budget sub. So much that their in depth review basically consisted of just an SPL response curve. Lets not get carried away on this one. BTW how come there were no test plots other than a generic spl/frequency response curve plot posted? Ive noticed with Audioholics that different reviews posted garner differing "in depth" measurements that are actually posted up using different testing methods and standards. I would have like to have seen some HD and delay plots posted instead of a "sounds great" so we recommend it review. And this isn't a poke at the Emo sub either as I think its a good sounding budget sub. This is directed at Audioholics. Don't you know.. As long as it is loud it is good...
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Post by stuofsci02 on Jan 2, 2011 23:39:02 GMT -5
I have two of these and I would agree with this statement. I go and look at my U12's and nothing jumps out at me as "wow" amazing parts. I would categorize it as a sub that performs beyond it's pricepoint much like most of EMO's other offerings. Agreed. Careful though, the Emo posse might start targeting you for agreeing with me and not putting your Emo products on a high enough pedestal. ;D Yes, I have noticed this in some other threads.. Sometimes the truth hurts..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 6:29:27 GMT -5
I have two of these and I would agree with this statement. I go and look at my U12's and nothing jumps out at me as "wow" amazing parts. I would categorize it as a sub that performs beyond it's pricepoint much like most of EMO's other offerings. Agreed. Careful though, the Emo posse might start targeting you for agreeing with me and not putting your Emo products on a high enough pedestal. ;D I for one posted more than once and in detail that I was quite skeptical and disappointed about the Emo sub long ago when I found out that it was going to be about a 15" cube style sub. I also criticized the black oak finish. I call them like I see them. Most of the subs in that enclosure size range and below are way overpriced for their performance level compared to full sized subs. Their main appeal is their tiny to small size and WAF. The even smaller little mini cube subs might be cute with their 2000 watt amps, but the performance is mediocre compared to full size subs. I now realize that Emo has done their typical great job in getting the most performance per dollar. This is actually a sub with very high quality build and parts and surprising performance for a relatively small sub. To their credit they have now offered the sub with a satin black finish. For $599/$429 it seems to be another great value. This is in no way an entry level sub in performance. Maybe stuofsci02, since he has inspected the Emo sub and its parts, could post some photos of his sub(s), especially the inside so we can see the entry level parts. Perhaps a closeup of the Kevlar equivalent driver would be nice. I wonder if he agrees with Ntrain that subs should span one octave only (as he stated in a previous post). Strange seeing that the Rythmik's claim about 2.5 octaves range. I certainly wouldn't put the Emo sub on a pedestal but it seems to be a very high performing sub for its size and price range. If anyone is putting a particular brand on a pedestal at this forum it would be Ntrain and his non-stop proselytizing about the Rythmik subs. 2500 posts in a little over a year, with a significant percentage of them being about Rythmik subs at an Emotiva forum seems a little excessive. In case folks haven't noticed this is in fact a dedicated Emotiva forum. PS: I certainly hope that folks who bought the entry level Emo sub with the black oak vinyl finish don't have the QC finish issues that the discerning audiophile quality Rythmik $1200 sub with the same type finish has (see photo below).
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 3, 2011 7:15:36 GMT -5
And how much was the Ultra Sub 12 in Black oak vinyl finish before, when on sale? $379 if my memory is correct? So for two that was $758, and if you bought two at the time, did you also have another discount? Anyway, now at $429 each, that's $858 for two, and that is still over $200 less than only one of my crappy Def Tech subs! Man, if those would have been around back then, I would have much better subs and I would have save $1,350 over my two 15 inchers! And 114 dB at 60 Hz, 112 dB at 50 Hz, still 108 dB at 40 Hz, and 111 dB at 80 Hz! Those are real nice results folks! And where it counts the most (from 40 Hz to 80 Hz), this sub is truly amazing! Great with Movies and equally as good with Music! And usable bass down to 27 Hz (probably lower in-room), which cover the lowest note on a piano! That is excellent for a sub that cost only $429! Chapeau again Emotiva! * By the way, I recommended the Emo subs (Ultra 10 & Ultra 12) to several people after reading the positive comments from several owners. Now I will recommend them even more! ...With a great review for backup!
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Post by stuofsci02 on Jan 3, 2011 8:36:30 GMT -5
And how much was the Ultra Sub 12 in Black oak vinyl finish before, when on sale? $379 if my memory is correct? So for two that was $758, and if you bought two at the time, did you also have another discount? Yes I believe it was $379 with free shipping when I purchased two. Not a bad deal at all..
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Post by stuofsci02 on Jan 3, 2011 8:38:45 GMT -5
Chuckienut,
Are you part of the Emo Posse?
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 3, 2011 8:41:04 GMT -5
And how much was the Ultra Sub 12 in Black oak vinyl finish before, when on sale? $379 if my memory is correct? So for two that was $758, and if you bought two at the time, did you also have another discount? Yes I believe it was $379 with free shipping when I purchased two. Not a bad deal at all.. I knew my memory was good; that's why I did mention the price. ...And with free shipping too! And you are one of those lucky sunnabagguns! ;D Happy New Year! Bob
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 3, 2011 8:44:16 GMT -5
Chuckienut, Are you part of the Emo Posse? No, he's from the Nuts case club! ;D
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Post by stuofsci02 on Jan 3, 2011 9:24:35 GMT -5
Yes I believe it was $379 with free shipping when I purchased two. Not a bad deal at all.. I knew my memory was good; that's why I did mention the price. ...And with free shipping too! And you are one of those lucky sunnabagguns! ;D Happy New Year! Bob Yep.. Had 'em sent it to Buffalo and picked it up on the way back from one of my business trip. I could barely fit both in my car (had to take one out of the box). There was definately no fooling the border agent. Anyways... For that price (and even the current price) they are a really nice little sub. Cheers
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 3, 2011 9:45:24 GMT -5
I knew my memory was good; that's why I did mention the price. ...And with free shipping too! And you are one of those lucky sunnabagguns! ;D Happy New Year! Bob Yep.. Had 'em sent it to Buffalo and picked it up on the way back from one of my business trip. I could barely fit both in my car (had to take one out of the box). There was definately no fooling the border agent. Anyways... For that price (and even the current price) they are a really nice little sub. Cheers 15" cube is not so small. 8" or 10" cube is a little sub (nice for the wifey, but useless for the homey). ;D
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Post by stuofsci02 on Jan 3, 2011 9:54:06 GMT -5
Ok.. They aren't tiny.. But for a 12" driver the 14.5" x 14.5" enclosure is small comparatively.
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 3, 2011 9:57:25 GMT -5
Ok.. They aren't tiny.. But for a 12" driver the 14.5" x 14.5" enclosure is small comparatively. Well, it ain't a Godzilla sub in a King Kong box that's fo sur! ;D * Those measuring like 34" x 36" x 42" and weighting over 800 pounds! With four 18" drivers in them! Quadropole mass loaded with artificial vents! Interplex in series. Madness!
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Post by jamrock on Jan 3, 2011 10:28:25 GMT -5
For the critics who find it necessary to demean a product with allegations of mediocre parts and / or inferior construction, could you please post a list of the existing parts and their superior alternatives? And, you should also do a parts comparison with the competing, better value product (especially the one you own).
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 3, 2011 10:46:56 GMT -5
Agreed. Careful though, the Emo posse might start targeting you for agreeing with me and not putting your Emo products on a high enough pedestal. ;D I for one posted more than once and in detail that I was quite skeptical and disappointed about the Emo sub long ago when I found out that it was going to be about a 15" cube style sub. I also criticized the black oak finish. I call them like I see them. Most of the subs in that enclosure size range and below are way overpriced for their performance level compared to full sized subs. Their main appeal is their tiny to small size and WAF. The even smaller little mini cube subs might be cute with their 2000 watt amps, but the performance is mediocre compared to full size subs. I now realize that Emo has done their typical great job in getting the most performance per dollar. This is actually a sub with very high quality build and parts and surprising performance for a relatively small sub. To their credit they have now offered the sub with a satin black finish. For $599/$429 it seems to be another great value. This is in no way an entry level sub in performance. Maybe stuofsci02, since he has inspected the Emo sub and its parts, could post some photos of his sub(s), especially the inside so we can see the entry level parts. Perhaps a closeup of the Kevlar equivalent driver would be nice. I wonder if he agrees with Ntrain that subs should span one octave only (as he stated in a previous post). Strange seeing that the Rythmik's claim about 2.5 octaves range. I certainly wouldn't put the Emo sub on a pedestal but it seems to be a very high performing sub for its size and price range. If anyone is putting a particular brand on a pedestal at this forum it would be Ntrain and his non-stop proselytizing about the Rythmik subs. 2500 posts in a little over a year, with a significant percentage of them being about Rythmik subs at an Emotiva forum seems a little excessive. In case folks haven't noticed this is in fact a dedicated Emotiva forum. PS: I certainly hope that folks who bought the entry level Emo sub with the black oak vinyl finish don't have the QC finish issues that the discerning audiophile quality Rythmik $1200 sub with the same type finish has (see photo below). Chuckie, I am disappointed that you did not do your homework on what looks to be a blemish in that sub in the picture. At first I thought that since the pictures were taken outside that somehow a lizard had wiggled its way underneath the finish and got stuck or the afternoon sun/heat made it melt on top of the sub. That would be a logical explanation. However, I have since discovered that this was not the case. What you are looking at that seems like a defect in the finish is actually the storage location for bass bloat that the DC servo feedback auto bass injection wayback machine sucks out of the bass in order to keep it sounding tight and punchy. When thin bass is encountered, the feedback injection mechanism adds some of the previously sucked out bass to compensate (and maintains the same hz as well, +/- 2 db). So that so-called defect in the finish is really just trapped bass bloat waiting to be put to use. I think an apology is in order, no?
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 3, 2011 10:55:09 GMT -5
For the critics who find it necessary to demean a product with allegations of mediocre parts and / or inferior construction, could you please post a list of the existing parts and their superior alternatives? And, you should also do a parts comparison with the competing, better value product (especially the one you own). A little knowledge is a dangerous thing! But just being able to cite industry cliches is a *bleep*! Ain't it? jamrock That, is a smart point! ...And I believe I know at who it is directed as well. Chapeau!
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Post by geebo on Jan 3, 2011 10:58:22 GMT -5
I for one posted more than once and in detail that I was quite skeptical and disappointed about the Emo sub long ago when I found out that it was going to be about a 15" cube style sub. I also criticized the black oak finish. I call them like I see them. Most of the subs in that enclosure size range and below are way overpriced for their performance level compared to full sized subs. Their main appeal is their tiny to small size and WAF. The even smaller little mini cube subs might be cute with their 2000 watt amps, but the performance is mediocre compared to full size subs. I now realize that Emo has done their typical great job in getting the most performance per dollar. This is actually a sub with very high quality build and parts and surprising performance for a relatively small sub. To their credit they have now offered the sub with a satin black finish. For $599/$429 it seems to be another great value. This is in no way an entry level sub in performance. Maybe stuofsci02, since he has inspected the Emo sub and its parts, could post some photos of his sub(s), especially the inside so we can see the entry level parts. Perhaps a closeup of the Kevlar equivalent driver would be nice. I wonder if he agrees with Ntrain that subs should span one octave only (as he stated in a previous post). Strange seeing that the Rythmik's claim about 2.5 octaves range. I certainly wouldn't put the Emo sub on a pedestal but it seems to be a very high performing sub for its size and price range. If anyone is putting a particular brand on a pedestal at this forum it would be Ntrain and his non-stop proselytizing about the Rythmik subs. 2500 posts in a little over a year, with a significant percentage of them being about Rythmik subs at an Emotiva forum seems a little excessive. In case folks haven't noticed this is in fact a dedicated Emotiva forum. PS: I certainly hope that folks who bought the entry level Emo sub with the black oak vinyl finish don't have the QC finish issues that the discerning audiophile quality Rythmik $1200 sub with the same type finish has (see photo below). Chuckie, I am disappointed that you did not do your homework on what looks to be a blemish in that sub in the picture. At first I thought that since the pictures were taken outside that somehow a lizard had wiggled its way underneath the finish and got stuck or the afternoon sun/heat made it melt on top of the sub. That would be a logical explanation. However, I have since discovered that this was not the case. What you are looking at that seems like a defect in the finish is actually the storage location for bass bloat that the DC servo feedback auto bass injection wayback machine sucks out of the bass in order to keep it sounding tight and punchy. When thin bass is encountered, the feedback injection mechanism adds some of the previously sucked out bass to compensate (and maintains the same hz as well, +/- 2 db). So that so-called defect in the finish is really just trapped bass bloat waiting to be put to use. I think an apology is in order, no? Drat! I just spent hours and hours researching and came up with the same conclusion. I went to post my findings and saw you beat me to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 14:18:14 GMT -5
Chuckienut, Are you part of the Emo Posse? I used to be. Unfortunately at my age I can't mount my horse anymore. I do though have my old lecherous eye on that cute young girl down at the supermarket. ;D
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 3, 2011 14:22:06 GMT -5
Chuckienut, Are you part of the Emo Posse? I used to be. Unfortunately at my age I can't mount my horse anymore. I do though have my old lecherous eye on that cute young girl down at the supermarket. ;D Well I think the girl at the supermarket is better than the horse.
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 3, 2011 14:25:37 GMT -5
Or the horse behind the girl?!!! ....Ahhhhhhhhhh never mind! Who wants a gum stick?
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