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Post by mrarnold58 on Jan 4, 2011 22:33:42 GMT -5
FWIW, I bought my first Ultra 12 in April 09 and the 2nd in May 09. Zero problems with either one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 22:59:34 GMT -5
That's probably because they were not prototypes like the Rythmik sub Audioholics has in their shootout with the finish issue.
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Post by geebo on Jan 4, 2011 23:03:56 GMT -5
FWIW, I bought my first Ultra 12 in April 09 and the 2nd in May 09. Zero problems with either one. Well that settles it...you're a fanboy!!!
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Post by stuofsci02 on Jan 4, 2011 23:05:33 GMT -5
FWIW, I bought my first Ultra 12 in April 09 and the 2nd in May 09. Zero problems with either one. Well that settles it...you're a fanboy!!! Except that the ultra12 came out in 2010.. I think it must have been a typo...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 23:10:17 GMT -5
Oh, good eye Stuart! (that must be from watching all those speeding pucks) ;D
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Post by ntrain42 on Jan 4, 2011 23:20:21 GMT -5
The plate amp itself is nothing spectacular. And I have seen a number of defective ones rearing up on quite a few forums just quitting on people. I don't hang out much at other forums these days so I can't comment on this statement other than to say I'm not sure it is fair without some verification (how about some links). Are you sure you are not getting the Emo sub mixed up with the AV123 15" sub that had significant problems with their amps? I don't recall having heard of any amp issues with the Emo subs here at the Lounge where I think they would show up. Anyone else heard of this issue. No Im not talking about the MFW 15. Though if there is one product thats built like an early model Hundai, thats it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 23:23:30 GMT -5
OK, so let's see some links to those other forum threads that verify all the problems with the new Emo subs.
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Post by ratmice on Jan 5, 2011 10:13:20 GMT -5
There is no probative value to this b/s. Either you post evidence of inferior construction and/or parts usage, or put a sock in it. What you think is utterly irrelevant unless you can prove that you have expert accreditation in subwoofer design & construction. Can you? jamrock Man, if you don't think a sub 500 dollar subwoofer is using pedestrian components you have a lot of reality checking to do. Let's say ntrain, does indeed have some credentials that affords him the resources to make the determinations about quality that we have seen in this thread? What credentials do you have that would indicate you could understand, and assess, the "facts" as they relate to subwoofer quality, are you a qualified subwoofer designer? The knife cuts both ways!
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 5, 2011 11:41:46 GMT -5
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Post by wizardofoz on Jan 5, 2011 12:01:37 GMT -5
I would go with the SVS... because there is no 240VAC option... come on Emo...its been maybe a year already and still no 240VAC subs... I gave up and went SVS so its too late for me, but I bet there is still some interest in non 120 land
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Post by alabamaboy on Jan 5, 2011 13:33:30 GMT -5
Agree, I would rather have one kickass SVS!! So much so, I have two SB13-Plus subs on the way
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Post by paintedklown on Jan 5, 2011 13:46:34 GMT -5
I just want to chime in here since the reliability of Emotiva subs are being brought into question. I have two Ultra sub 12s that I purchased way back when they were first introduced. I have had zero issues with either one. The amplifiers work perfectly, they always "activate" when needed (no cut off notes as the sub turns on, etc.) no bottoming out subs, nothing. I recommend buying two and adjusting the phase properly. ;D It's great to see a professional review backing these up, so to speak. makes them an easier sell when recommending one, and for Emotive in general.
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Post by geebo on Jan 5, 2011 14:03:06 GMT -5
I just want to chime in here since the reliability of Emotiva subs are being brought into question. I have two Ultra sub 12s that I purchased way back when they were first introduced. I have had zero issues with either one. The amplifiers work perfectly, they always "activate" when needed (no cut off notes as the sub turns on, etc.) no bottoming out subs, nothing. I recommend buying two and adjusting the phase properly. ;D It's great to see a professional review backing these up, so to speak. makes them an easier sell when recommending one, and for Emotive in general. You must be a fan boy then if they work well for you.
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Post by paintedklown on Jan 5, 2011 14:11:20 GMT -5
I just want to chime in here since the reliability of Emotiva subs are being brought into question. I have two Ultra sub 12s that I purchased way back when they were first introduced. I have had zero issues with either one. The amplifiers work perfectly, they always "activate" when needed (no cut off notes as the sub turns on, etc.) no bottoming out subs, nothing. I recommend buying two and adjusting the phase properly. ;D It's great to see a professional review backing these up, so to speak. makes them an easier sell when recommending one, and for Emotive in general. You must be a fan boy then if they work well for you. HAHHAHAH!!! Yes, Emotiva actually gives forum fanboys a private number to call when ordering their gear. This particular gear is then built to exacting standards, and tested prior to being shipped. This gear performs amazingly well, and has a low cost to boot. This secret phone number for ordering is 615-790-6754. Just tell them that you would like to place an order and they will route you to the proper person. ;D
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 5, 2011 14:37:51 GMT -5
There is no probative value to this b/s. Either you post evidence of inferior construction and/or parts usage, or put a sock in it. What you think is utterly irrelevant unless you can prove that you have expert accreditation in subwoofer design & construction. Can you? jamrock Man, if you don't think a sub 500 dollar subwoofer is using pedestrian components you have a lot of reality checking to do. Let's say ntrain, does indeed have some credentials that affords him the resources to make the determinations about quality that we have seen in this thread? What credentials do you have that would indicate you could understand, and assess, the "facts" as they relate to subwoofer quality, are you a qualified subwoofer designer? The knife cuts both ways! On the other hand, how much do these components really cost? A lot of subs over $500 or over $1,000 or over $2,000 probably use "pedestrian" components (as to other boxes of electronics). The price of a component should bear a relationship to the cost of what is inside but not always. Also I think we often forget that regardless of the cost or quality of the components, the bottom line is what does the end result sound like. If something is not engineered properly or you use some overpriced component inside the box that isn't worth the money, then how does that affect the equation?
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Post by jamrock on Jan 5, 2011 17:12:14 GMT -5
There is no probative value to this b/s. Either you post evidence of inferior construction and/or parts usage, or put a sock in it. What you think is utterly irrelevant unless you can prove that you have expert accreditation in subwoofer design & construction. Can you? jamrock Man, if you don't think a sub 500 dollar subwoofer is using pedestrian components you have a lot of reality checking to do. Let's say ntrain, does indeed have some credentials that affords him the resources to make the determinations about quality that we have seen in this thread? What credentials do you have that would indicate you could understand, and assess, the "facts" as they relate to subwoofer quality, are you a qualified subwoofer designer? The knife cuts both ways! If you assert a claim or allegation (The U-12 is made of inferior parts and construction) you automatically assume the responsibility to provide the burden of proof to show that your claim or assertion has merit. Or, it's summary judgment. Likewise, if you are going to impeach technical information (Audioholics Article), every court in the USA requires you to prove that you have the technical knowledge to do so, as this is expert testimony. The part of your response that I find particularly puzzling, is that you feel that ntrain does not need to back up his assertions until he is assured that the recipients have sufficient knowledge to understand him. Arrant nonsense! Why go to college then, if you need to be able to master the subject before receiving the information? Also, the selling price of a product is not necessarily indicative of inferior parts or construction. How much of the price is markup?What is the unit price that Emo pays for individual parts that make up the U-12, Pennies?. What is the cost of Chinese labor? Certainly not the hourly rate you charge for your expertize. At your rate, the U-12 would have to be priced at $5,500.00 just to break even! ;D jamrock
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 5, 2011 17:26:50 GMT -5
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Post by jamrock on Jan 5, 2011 18:25:45 GMT -5
I never read a review of the Epik Legend, and possibly the EL can out perform the U-12. But, my subjective reasons for purchasing Emo products including the 2 U-12s also considered, warranty, company stability and customer service. If a sub can perform credibly in the region of 20Hz - 120 Hz, is solidly built, priced reasonably and has good manufacturer's support, I'll accept it over a marginally, better performing but more expensive sub. But that's just me trying to get the best value I possibly can. jamrock, ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 19:48:14 GMT -5
OK, so let's see some links to those other forum threads that verify all the problems with the new Emo subs. I'm sure as the Nut suggests that Ntrain will be along here soon with all of those links from other forums about the complaints verifying that Emo is having problems with the Ultra 12 sub and its amp.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 19:53:12 GMT -5
Man, if you don't think a sub 500 dollar subwoofer is using pedestrian components you have a lot of reality checking to do. Ratmice, I didn't do a check, but off the top of my head, I would be surprised if many of the below $500 subs on the market have a 12" driver of a Kevlar equivalent material like the Emo Utlra 12 sub has.
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