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Post by bootman on Jul 30, 2011 11:40:50 GMT -5
And so what is so bad about the Keep One Change One thread??? ;D It moves too fast. I can't keep up. ;D yup and clogs up my 60 post views.
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Post by bootman on Jul 30, 2011 11:43:08 GMT -5
Forum drama sucks, especially the "Emotiva is a bad company because they are not doing what I think they should be doing" type of drama. That's more tired than the Keep One Change One thread any day. I do see your point. I just miss the days of active communication with the Emotiva staff here regarding technical details of their products. Sadly those days are forever gone.
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Post by jamrock on Jul 30, 2011 11:45:05 GMT -5
I feel that sometimes Emo takes a while longer than expected to give updates on a promised product. But, infrequent or not, they do give updates, and are certainly NOT OBLIGATED to do so. I could go another few years without changing anything about my system and still be happy. However, that is not like me. For that reason, I always like to know about new components in the pipeline and how or whether they can heighten my musical experience. The privilege that Emotiva gives me of being able to have exchanges with the CEO and CE coupled with excellent products, warranty and customer service, do not extend to giving them orders on how to run their company. I consider always having the option to take my business elsewhere. But, I'm not seeing anything greener on that side.
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Post by Wideawake on Jul 30, 2011 11:55:59 GMT -5
Yeah, god forbid the "keep one change one" thread gets disrupted. ;D ;D ;D Every time I think we are done with it somebody revives it.
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Post by DYohn on Jul 30, 2011 11:56:59 GMT -5
Forum drama sucks, especially the "Emotiva is a bad company because they are not doing what I think they should be doing" type of drama. That's more tired than the Keep One Change One thread any day. I do see your point. I just miss the days of active communication with the Emotiva staff here regarding technical details of their products. Sadly those days are forever gone. I agree. But having feet held to the fire for an optimistic estimate or for talking in "maybes" by an active and often overly demanding Internet community can be trying for anyone, let alone a technology company trying to develop a new product. I've been involved in a few of those companies and more often than not the wisest course is to step back from active participation or the appearance of "promise making" on line. It is an energy-sucker as well as potentially harming to the company's reputation.
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Post by ottaone on Jul 30, 2011 12:06:50 GMT -5
And the price point is still around the US$1,000 mark? That would be a desirable combo of hardware and software indeed!
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Post by ausman on Jul 30, 2011 12:23:31 GMT -5
sadly chuck I don't drink beer, spirits yes when money permits...
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Post by jamrock on Jul 30, 2011 20:26:31 GMT -5
It was my belief that Matt Wall was going to be Emo's daily presence on this forum. If so, he couild have easily answered the questions posed to Lonnie, because none of them are really new. Except that I was not previously aware that the XMC-1 will have no video processing capability. That was good, new info for me. Other nice to know info/features for me would be: Are the .2 subs dual mono or stereo? Will the EQ be PEQ or GEQ and how many bands? Will there still be an all digital and legacy versions with the legacy slated to be released first? HD radio tuner? (Preferable none if not HD). In the nice to have category: Bit counter for audio & video. More complete FP read outs. (My UMC-1 does not display complete low res Dolby signal; 2.0, DD 5.1, etc. Just Dolby D. Same for DTS & PCM). More spacings for inputs. Hey Matt; Wanna take a shot at these? ;D
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Post by bootman on Jul 30, 2011 20:45:16 GMT -5
Matt has a lot of catching up to do on the XMC's history first. This post by Spiky sums it up nicely:
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 30, 2011 20:45:37 GMT -5
OK, now I'm confused. The XMC-1 will have NO video processing whatsoever, or have no video processing on PASS THROUGH (other than OSD overlay) We already know the UMC-1 does process video (forced 4:4:4) in order to overlay OSD over live video, therefore not a "true" pass through. The XMC-1 will maintain "true" pass through while overlaying OSD through a different method. The later is the way I interpreted Lonnie's answer in reply #39. Please correct me if I'm wrong...
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Post by bootman on Jul 30, 2011 21:01:56 GMT -5
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Post by jamrock on Jul 30, 2011 21:06:48 GMT -5
All I need to know is if it will have a true pass through for video, and NOT force 4:4:4 colorspace. This is the ONLY reason I didn't keep the UMC-1. Yep, it does. In fact it doesn't have any video processing of any kind other than the over lay of OSD. It would appear to me that what Lonnie is saying is that the XMC-1 will not process video. Automatic pass through for all incoming video signals. It is designed to have over lay of OSD without inteferring with the incoming signal. Just how that is accomplished, I don't know.
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Post by BillBauman on Jul 30, 2011 21:13:34 GMT -5
Yep, it does. In fact it doesn't have any video processing of any kind other than the over lay of OSD. It would appear to me that what Lonnie is saying is that the XMC-1 will not process video. Automatic pass through for all incoming video signals. It is designed to have over lay of OSD without inteferring with the incoming signal. Just how that is accomplished, I don't know. You are correct. I had a pretty lengthy discussion about the video processing topic. It's my opinion that some, even if it's not great, would be better than none. It's Emotiva's opinion that video processors are now prolific/done better by others, and including it is a cost not worth incurring. I even started a poll on it out of joint curiosity by Lonnie and myself, but Cathy L pulled it down. I think there are valid points on both sides. If I were looking at sales and thought I could get away with an HT audio processor/video switcher, I'd go that route, too. We'll see how the whole thing shakes out, but it sounds like, based on Lonnie's latest update, that Emotiva is still not planning to integrate a video processor. I wouldn't be shocked, though, to see them release a video processor add-on of some sort for those that want that capability. Whether it's stand-alone or integrated with the XMC-1, if such a beast would even exist, would also still be a variable. So, as with all things, we'll all wait excitedly to see how things turn out.
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Post by jamrock on Jul 30, 2011 21:35:31 GMT -5
Currently my Sony BRP and my Samsung LCD both upconvert all video signals to 1080P. Both do a good job of it too. I don't think that we need a 3rd option. So, wise decision Emo. I don't see a significant loss IMO.
Hey Bootman: In the thread you cited, I think that I was arguing for HDMi pass thru so that we could watch TV without the need to turn on the processor. (Another nice to have feature). My wife does not need 7.1 to watch the cooking channel or HGTV. Nevertheless, I honestly did not recall that the XMC-1 did not have video processing.
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Post by 2muchht on Jul 31, 2011 14:05:45 GMT -5
It would appear to me that what Lonnie is saying is that the XMC-1 will not process video. Automatic pass through for all incoming video signals. It is designed to have over lay of OSD without inteferring with the incoming signal. Just how that is accomplished, I don't know. It may not "process" video, but it will need to "touch" it if there is any sort of overlay or alpha blending. If the menus or on-screen messages appear over the video you are, by definition, "touching" the video. You may not be altering the settings or parameters, but you are mucking with it and risking some degredation. If they are upgrading the full hardware topology to accomodate 4K video, it becomes messy if you do overlays. Possible, but painful and it also limits the video chip sources. If they are doing a "by-pass" or "menus", less of a problem, but then you don't get to see on-screen messages when doing things such as adjusting lip sync delay. It will be interesting to see what they've settled on in terms of things such as the HDMI section (4K/300MHz capable? Fast Switching?), DACs, ADC, and which Cirrus chip (CS 497204 or other?) will be there. We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by sharkman on Jul 31, 2011 14:07:43 GMT -5
The rough estimate is that new processors from both Outlaw and Emotiva will be released around the end of the year. This would shape up to be a situation where 2 companies are going after the same market(generally speaking) at the same time. I predict that the one which has the fewest bugs will get the most business, the internet being what it is. Price point will also affect things if they are more than 100 apart.
I don't have a dog in this fight as I decided not to go separates for my theater system(ignorance is bliss!) so I will be sitting this one out with popcorn in hand. I'm still mulling over a DAC improvement, however.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2011 0:34:20 GMT -5
And so what is so bad about the Keep One Change One thread??? ;D I always get it mixed up with the Use my last word...first.(word game) thread which I just bumped so now Bootman will have his 60 most recent posts link even more cluttered! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by savjac on Aug 1, 2011 8:03:02 GMT -5
I think one must view the outlaw and see it is a rendering not a photograph. It is no more available that a new space shuttle. Waiting is the exciting part. As Spock once said, having is not always so pleasing as wanting.
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Post by savjac on Aug 1, 2011 8:06:51 GMT -5
Emotiva Management: Your loyal customers have been kept in the dark regarding the XMC-1 far too long. Bottom line: either announce the details and availability or lose business. Your competition is not following your business practices (of making promises and not keeping them) and standing still. www.outlawaudio.com/products/M978.htmlBest regards, This is an honest answer, and makes me love Emotiva all the more. I can see a day where most of my equipment has their name plate on it. Maybe one day they will have a most excellent BR player which would pretty much round things out. I think I will keep the Panny display tho. I appreciate your zeal and interest in the XMC as I do with everyone who has been patiently waiting for its release. While I am here I do want to say that I really appreciate everyone's patience on this. Anyway, it is well underway and coming along nicely. I know everyone wants to know more about the release date, features and such, but as experience has shown, it is best to hold off. So for those who are willing to wait for it's release, it will be worth it.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Aug 1, 2011 8:29:45 GMT -5
OK, now I'm confused. The XMC-1 will have NO video processing whatsoever, or have no video processing on PASS THROUGH (other than OSD overlay) We already know the UMC-1 does process video (forced 4:4:4) in order to overlay OSD over live video, therefore not a "true" pass through. The XMC-1 will maintain "true" pass through while overlaying OSD through a different method. The later is the way I interpreted Lonnie's answer in reply #39. Please correct me if I'm wrong... Maybe it would switch off the pass through pop up the OSD and then back to pass-though, which would be really cool, However, I would think that would need another (ARGH) HDMI handshake which would screw everything up?
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