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Post by jtmjnow on Aug 25, 2011 13:50:40 GMT -5
I only hope that EMO does not someday throw in the towel re the drop-offs. There has to be a suitable remedy. Thx for staying with us on this so far EMO Folks. My wife has been getting impatient with the whole issue. Hang in there guys!
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Post by rayray on Aug 27, 2011 19:32:04 GMT -5
I hope I don't jinx myself with this...
After really wanting a UMC-1 when it was first announced (but getting trumped by a few more essential purchases), this 499 deal was pretty much impossible to pass up.
After 4 days, I have to say I'm really pleased. All the posts about bugs, audio drop outs, Dish HDMI issues, etc. etc. really had me worrying that I might be asking for trouble and facing buyers' remorse soon. But... luckily for me I'm seeing none of it! No audio dropouts when playing actual material... (Apple TV scrolling/selection sound effects are intermittent, but that is so minor I have no issues living with it). Apple TV, Dish 622, and an ancient sony es dvd, all work great... no audio drops. And the audio upconversion is much better than the old sony es.
The whole advanced playback feature, remembering what mode to use for what signal is in one word: Awesome.
Also got the harmony 700 all programmed and running everything again.
Came from a B&K 3090 which served me faithfully and flawlessly for 13 years, so it was with some mixed feelings switching, but now I ask why I didn't do it sooner!
So, anyone who wants one, but is hesitating... I say go for it!
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Post by brian6751 on Aug 27, 2011 20:58:27 GMT -5
Got mine Friday. Besides a possible bad setup mic, I'm happy as a clam. Sound quality is amazing. I now understand what real imaging is. how the heck does Pandora sound this good? 44.1KHz CD quality over the net. Not bad. Sounds noticeably better through the UMC-1 than it did through my Marantz.
Do not hesitate.
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Post by Pauly on Aug 27, 2011 23:50:01 GMT -5
That's what I thought too, Brian. I listen to Pandora One a lot for background stuff, and it really does sound pretty darn good.
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Post by rayray on Aug 28, 2011 0:30:22 GMT -5
Got mine Friday. Besides a possible bad setup mic, I'm happy as a clam. Sound quality is amazing. I now understand what real imaging is. how the heck does Pandora sound this good? 44.1KHz CD quality over the net. Not bad. Sounds noticeably better through the UMC-1 than it did through my Marantz. Do not hesitate. brian: re bad setup mic... is it continually faulting on ambient test? if so, it's because it's too quiet... just generate a little sound when it's doing the ambient test, and you're on your way (finger snapping worked for me)
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Post by brian6751 on Aug 28, 2011 10:45:19 GMT -5
Got mine Friday. Besides a possible bad setup mic, I'm happy as a clam. Sound quality is amazing. I now understand what real imaging is. how the heck does Pandora sound this good? 44.1KHz CD quality over the net. Not bad. Sounds noticeably better through the UMC-1 than it did through my Marantz. Do not hesitate. brian: re bad setup mic... is it continually faulting on ambient test? if so, it's because it's too quiet... just generate a little sound when it's doing the ambient test, and you're on your way (finger snapping worked for me) thats exactly what its doing. thing is, its not DEAD quiet. havent tried "snapping" my fingers. Matt has had me do the finger "rub" thing above the mic which gets it to pass after like the 7-8th time, but i am wondering if it is throwing off the levels a bit cuz my imaging ends up way off center and i have to increase the right level 3.5 db to pull it back. the right speaker does not have the boundary reinforcement the left one has so it kind of makes sense, but shouldnt EmoQ pick that up?
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Post by stiehl11 on Aug 28, 2011 11:08:36 GMT -5
EmoQ is fully configurable and is meant to be a starting point. Listen to how it has calibrated your speakers and then adjust from there. I had to play with my gains a bit as EmoQ set it so that the right side was a little bit less than the left. I went in and played the test tones and got it to match dbs. Much better and EmoQ was only off +/-2
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Post by roadrunner on Aug 28, 2011 12:18:50 GMT -5
Part of the problem with using EmoQ is that the user does not seem to be aware of how EmoQ works. It sets its xover point at the frequency it FIRST encounters the -3dB point. Often this is prior to the published -3dB and, as a result, the range between the spot EmoQ measured to be -3 and the actual low frequency point is ignored and the gain for those frequencies will be incorrect and will need to manually be modified. This is one of the reasons I keep suggesting owner view the videos that Lonnie produced when the UMC-1 was initially launched. A lot of useful information is contained in those videos and will help the user properly use the EmoQ tools.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Aug 28, 2011 12:40:14 GMT -5
It would also be great if this process was refined, I would prefer it to find the lowest -3db point. I'd rather have areas EQed and then have to set them back to 0 than areas not EQ-ed and have to figure out what they should be.
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Post by brian6751 on Aug 28, 2011 14:54:43 GMT -5
EmoQ is fully configurable and is meant to be a starting point. Listen to how it has calibrated your speakers and then adjust from there. I had to play with my gains a bit as EmoQ set it so that the right side was a little bit less than the left. I went in and played the test tones and got it to match dbs. Much better and EmoQ was only off +/-2 i should have mentioned that this was AFTER level matching them with the test tones. i had to increase the right channel 3.5 db to get the image centered.
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Post by brian6751 on Aug 29, 2011 11:21:45 GMT -5
maybe its all in my head?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 11:31:22 GMT -5
How did people do it before Audysey (spelling ?) and EmoQ? I know I did it with my ears. I have always felt, after seeing all the posts on here about its shortcomings, that I should just set up my system by ear and with a measuring mic and Room Equalization Wizard. Audysey is meant to make it easy to set up even if one has no knowledge or skills, now we're told that one needs to know quite a bit in order to utilize EmoQ? Sort of defeats the purpose of having an automatic setup. I'll just continue to do it the knowledge intensive way.
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Post by brian6751 on Aug 29, 2011 14:59:45 GMT -5
well. i reran EmoQ and now the imaging seems correct. im not sure if i messed with the EO levels or what.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Aug 29, 2011 15:56:33 GMT -5
I find the imaging is funny if the distances are off (in a somewhat different way to the levels being off) and Emo-Q tends to get my distances (very) wrong in 07.04.00.07 and previous versions.
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Post by brian6751 on Aug 29, 2011 17:18:03 GMT -5
I find the imaging is funny if the distances are off (in a somewhat different way to the levels being off) and Emo-Q tends to get my distances (very) wrong in 07.04.00.07 and previous versions. So do you adjust the distances? The levels? Both?
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Post by NorthStar on Aug 29, 2011 17:28:51 GMT -5
Both have to be adjusted, for a coherent soundstage.
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Post by brian6751 on Aug 29, 2011 18:46:19 GMT -5
Corrected distances. Reset levels. Much better. I use 40 as my reference point and set levels to 75bd. I then use the test tone off my WOW bluray for the sub. I'm not sure what to go to with the UMC sub tone.
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Post by keithfromcanada on Aug 31, 2011 11:10:50 GMT -5
Hi guys, Just a note on the UMC-1... The SW upgrade that is getting ready to be released will resolve all of the issues that some of you are having. We are well aware of these bugs. Admittedly, we have reduced them to minor annoyances for most of you, but this is not sufficient and we know it; the UMC-1 needs to be 100% correct. The new SW WILL resolve these last remaining issues. Keep the faith. We are not ignoring you and we will completely support your investment. We have UMC-1's in beta testing that DO NOT exhibit these annoying bugs. You'll have it very soon. Thanks, Big Dan Hey Fellas. I'm the guy who started this post and up until this posting I was planning to stay away from the UMC-1. IF this commitment to customer service remains true (and I have no doubt that it will), I will strongly consider taking the plunge. Thanks BD!
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Post by julio on Aug 31, 2011 12:52:37 GMT -5
I just did! Of course that 40% coupon towards an upgrade for a next gen processor + clearance price helped a lot!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 13:14:33 GMT -5
How did people do it before Audysey (spelling ?) and EmoQ? I know I did it with my ears. I have always felt, after seeing all the posts on here about its shortcomings, that I should just set up my system by ear and with a measuring mic and Room Equalization Wizard. Audysey is meant to make it easy to set up even if one has no knowledge or skills, now we're told that one needs to know quite a bit in order to utilize EmoQ? Sort of defeats the purpose of having an automatic setup. I'll just continue to do it the knowledge intensive way. Oh but Theresa my dear, how last century of you! Don't you just want to unbox it, set it in place and then hit just one little old simple button and have everything automatically set up for you like the Oddyssey Super 432XT-4.1-3D-Auto EQ/Installer does? Most modern folks don't even have a tape measure or God forbid a Radio Shack meter. Don't worry if it sets your center channel to cross at 175Hz or your ERD-1 at full range, after all, Oddyssey knows best, just ask LOTR. Oh never mind. He's busy on the phone right now talking to Oinkyo headquarters.
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