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Post by Animo on Nov 8, 2009 15:44:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2009 9:04:43 GMT -5
i'll take them off your hands . . . where do you live? I am in alabama. Shipping these will be difficult as each weighs over 215lbs oh boy . . . I was sort of kidding, and apologies for my miscommunicating I AM in the market (or will be) for one or two subs that blends well with my system eventually but I'm not sure if I could pull them off now. Ever since Animo post his DIY eD thread, I become intruiged with the line although I was thinking the one he built would be too much for my room (maybe not). Anyway, since then I have been perusing the website and eyeing one fo their subs. Again, sorry for my miscommunication
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Nov 13, 2009 9:11:07 GMT -5
Which ones are you eyeing? I am in the market myself.
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Post by ntrain42 on Nov 13, 2009 10:43:37 GMT -5
I am in alabama. Shipping these will be difficult as each weighs over 215lbs oh boy . . . I was sort of kidding, and apologies for my miscommunicating I AM in the market (or will be) for one or two subs that blends well with my system eventually but I'm not sure if I could pull them off now. Ever since Animo post his DIY eD thread, I become intruiged with the line although I was thinking the one he built would be too much for my room (maybe not). Anyway, since then I have been perusing the website and eyeing one fo their subs. Again, sorry for my miscommunication There is no such thing as a sub to big for a room...............I myself prefer doing multiple subs. My bedroom for instance has 4 10" downward firing 250watt subwoofers (Kef PSW2500's). The room is about 15'x13'. Multiple drivers together give me greater low end frequency response(I am flat down to just under 20hz), and allow me to set a lower xover point to better blend in with my mains. Multiple drivers also means I can set all my gains significantly lower meaning less potential driver distortion and much cleaner bass output. Its always a win win situation. =D. But when ever anyone asks me if a specific sub is too big for their room, regardless of how big or small I always say no. In fact I always recommend they get multiples.
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Post by artiek on Nov 13, 2009 11:37:07 GMT -5
Which ones are you eyeing? I am in the market myself. You, with your impressive set-up, should have nothing less than an IB. Look at my avatar. That's four 18" drivers in my ceiling, takes up no floor space, and rocks so hard I can't even say.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 8:12:55 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a sub to big for a room................ Yes there is. Its called space as in not having enough, and that's what I'm refering too
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 8:14:43 GMT -5
Which ones are you eyeing? I am in the market myself. right now, eD, SVS, and Epiks but that is constantly morphing . . these have ben consistently on my watch list, however. You?
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Post by bfisher on Nov 15, 2009 9:41:20 GMT -5
As an eD owner, I'd definitely say it's worth considering them. Their support has been great and I've been thoroughly impressed/pleased. They are continuing to add more units and options. However, I can't imagine you'd go wrong with any of those options.
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Post by ntrain42 on Nov 15, 2009 10:41:36 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a sub to big for a room................ Yes there is. Its called space as in not having enough, and that's what I'm refering too Well physical space is an obvious issue, but what Im referring to, givin an amount of space available to that person is the more sub drivers and power to those drivers, the better.
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Post by Animo on Nov 18, 2009 9:59:29 GMT -5
As an eD owner, I'd definitely say it's worth considering them. Their support has been great and I've been thoroughly impressed/pleased. They are continuing to add more units and options. However, I can't imagine you'd go wrong with any of those options. As an eD kit builder....I confer!!
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Post by Animo on Nov 18, 2009 10:02:10 GMT -5
Which ones are you eyeing? I am in the market myself. You, with your impressive set-up, should have nothing less than an IB. Look at my avatar. That's four 18" drivers in my ceiling, takes up no floor space, and rocks so hard I can't even say. I decided to build a box sub as it was the easiest route for me, not having space above or below to go IB. However, as Artie has pointed out to me, and still would have been too complex for me at this time is to use a closet as an IB subwoofer. An IB sub is still on the drawing board for when I do my home renovation. And I think I would still consider using eD drivers to get the job done.
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Post by jmilton on Nov 18, 2009 10:22:26 GMT -5
You, with your impressive set-up, should have nothing less than an IB. Look at my avatar. That's four 18" drivers in my ceiling, takes up no floor space, and rocks so hard I can't even say. I decided to build a box sub as it was the easiest route for me, not having space above or below to go IB. However, as Artie has pointed out to me, and still would have been too complex for me at this time is to use a closet as an IB subwoofer. An IB sub is still on the drawing board for when I do my home renovation. And I think I would still consider using eD drivers to get the job done. Closet? You could always do what this idiot did! www.hometheaterhifi.com/subwoofers-products-menu-column1-41/605-velodyne-sc-600-iw-subwoofer.html
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Post by ICBM99 on Nov 20, 2009 16:29:14 GMT -5
I started going back through this thread, but figured this would be faster. Do any of you guys remember the dimensions of the 212's? I was thought I remembered something like 14"^3 but I can't remember for sure or find the thread that it was discussed. I'm in the beginning planning stages of my dedicated room, and really want a AT screen but my room isn't very big and want to make sure that my false wall has enough room for the subs. Saying the ERM's that I'll be using are sealed I can put the AT screen as close as I want so really I'll just be limited by the speaker depth. And the Subs if I put them behind the false wall. *Edit, also if Dann, or Lonnie want to chime in I'd welcome that too, especially if the dimensions have changed dramatically. **Edit #2. I did find the old Sub thread in the VIP section that mentions the subs dimensions 14x14x16. But not sure if that is for the 112 or 212's, or if that has changed since then (2007)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2009 12:32:58 GMT -5
eh, no relation . . .
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Post by Animo on Nov 21, 2009 15:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by jmilton on Nov 21, 2009 18:16:32 GMT -5
Apparently I am the one who is IB.
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Post by Animo on Nov 21, 2009 20:05:07 GMT -5
Apparently I am the one who is IB. You almost had me in the same boat, until i figured it out.....
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Post by Animo on Nov 21, 2009 20:07:42 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a sub to big for a room................ Yes there is. Its called space as in not having enough, and that's what I'm refering too If you like my build, you could opt for some of their smaller kits. You could even build one 1/2 the size of mine with a single 13Av.2, or you could build a pair of smaller ones and end up with better response than my mine.....hmmmmmmm?? These are just the kits they list, but if you give them a call, you could probably get anything you want custom cut and flat shipped to your door. www.edesignaudio.com/index.php?cPath=2_136
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Post by soulrider4ever on Nov 23, 2009 10:17:01 GMT -5
I just picked up a Cadence CSX-15 for a dime, very pleased.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 23:21:43 GMT -5
I see an interesting trend in HT and audio as far as subs go. The trend is toward smaller sub enclosure sizes. Now that is fine with me if there is a space problem or a small footprint requirement. However, one should realize that sub designers have to attempt to bend the laws of physics when producing smaller subs. All things being equal, the larger sub enclosure allows for louder bass with lower extension at lower distortion. The designer that goes with the smaller sub enclosure has to make compensations by using longer excursion drivers, heavier magnets and higher power amplifiers. Many here are familiar with the mini cube subs with their 2700 watts amplifiers (like the Sunfire sub) , extremely long excursion drivers and sub enclosure that are barely larger than the diameter of the driver.
Other designers have produced some subs in the middle range, size wise. Many of these have 10"-12" drivers in the 15 x 15 x 15 enclosure size with 1000 watts or more of power. These still require some compromises. They might be relatively flat from 100-150Hz on down to 20Hz. However, the output level is limited many times to the 95-105dB's level with fairly high distortion.
As you might know from reading some of my posts I am a fan of big box subs that provide top performance with amps in the 500 watt range. I find it ironic that so many people pass up the great benefits of a small bookshelf/large sub combination like the ERM-1 or ERM-6.2 with a large sub and instead insist on a large tower like the 8.3. The 8.3 is the ultimate Emo speaker. However, then when they go to choose a sub they opt for a mini cube version. Why choose a great speaker then compromise performance in the lower bass with a small sub?
There is a very revealing test in the September 2009 issue of S&V Magazine. They tested 3 large box subs; Axiom EP600v2, PBS 500 and the SVS PB12-plus. The also tested 3 smaller box subs; Bag End PD12E-1 (not very small), JL Audio Fathom f112 and the Velodyne Optimum-12.
Although they never go too far in choosing a winner as to not offend any of the brands, it was obvious that the SVS was the clear winner by a big margin especially when considering price/performance. It was from $671 to $1661 cheaper than the other five subs. The SVS was $1139 versus the gorgeous JL f112 at $2800.
You might know that the JL f112 gets rave reviews here at at other forums. It also has 1500 watts and a 18.5 x 15 x 17.5 cabinet size (4856 cu in and 115 lbs). The SVS has 525 watts and a 21 x 19 x 25 cabinet size (9975 cu in and 127 lbs). The f112 hit a very loud maximum of 118.2 dB's but at 63Hz. At 22.5 Hz and 10% distortion it only reached 95.4 Hz.
The SVS delivered its maximum output of 114.8dB's at 20Hz! From 20-80Hz it was between 108.7 and 114.8Hz at 10% distortion. Now that is real subwoofer performance!
I know at this time the details are sparse. However, it appears that the new Emotiva subs might be in this general medium size category of subs. I'm sure these subs with a sophisticated EQ system will appeal to many and outperform any other sub in their class. I do hope that Emotiva down the road will also consider offering a larger no-holds barred ultimate performance sub with a 12" or so driver that provides at least 15-18Hz to 100-125Hz levels under 10% distortion at 105-110dB levels or louder. A fairly flexible EQ system would be essential. This would appeal to us extra low bass nuts (maybe one of the new Emo subs will match this type of performance).
Just thoughts for your consideration. ;D ;D ;D
PS: Someone just reminded me that he thought that the bigger of the two Emo subs would be a dual 12" sub (I should pay more attention in class!). That sounds interesting. I wonder if it has two active drivers or one is passive?
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