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Post by sidvicious on Mar 13, 2012 8:59:00 GMT -5
I would say no, and here is why, most people say they would want seven channels, but just like most receivers that are 7 channels, most people only use 5.1.
I think there are applications obviously for 7 channels especially for people that have dedicated home theater rooms (custom built or otherwise) Look at the post on this forum where people show their systems, you see mostly five channel setups.
I think your logic was sound when you took the UPA-7 off the market. Putting 7 amplifiers in one unit with what people want in power of 200-300 watts couldn't be done for less than 1299-1499, just to make up for what won't sell.
That would be a very heavy amp to ship. I think a good judge of this would be to look up the sales of xpa-5 and xpa-2 at the same time and even take a survey to see if these were used in a dedicated 7 channel environment.
Now would I like to see this from you, yes but in all practicality it wouldn't make since. A lot of us are governed away from 7 pairs of speakers unless it's in a dedicated theater, due to our wives not wanting to see 7 pairs of speakers in any one room at any one time.
Good luck Big DAN, and you run one hell of a good company and keep up the good work, we all appreciate a good CEO, who is humble enough to ask his customers. This shows that you haven't lost your focus on us.
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Post by nimikipod on Mar 13, 2012 10:04:36 GMT -5
you can always go for class T/H like SUNFIRE THEATER GRAND and give us 400WX7 channels with 40 pounds of weight.
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Post by DYohn on Mar 13, 2012 11:13:07 GMT -5
I'm very happy with my UPA-7...
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Post by jedinite24 on Mar 13, 2012 11:51:59 GMT -5
I'm very happy with my UPA-7... Ditto for me as well. I enjoy my UPA-7 immensely and have no desire to part with it. To me it was a headscratcher as to why it didn't sell better than what it did.
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Post by knucklehead on Mar 13, 2012 12:15:22 GMT -5
I'm very happy with my UPA-7... Ditto for me as well. I enjoy my UPA-7 immensely and have no desire to part with it. To me it was a headscratcher as to why it didn't sell better than what it did. I think that many AVR owners looked at the specs for their AVR and the UPA-7 specs and decided there wasn't enough of a power increase to make buying the UPA-7 worthwhile. Too bad the AVR manufacturers aren't more honest with their published specs. The UPA-7 is clearly more powerful than any 7 channel AVR made - but the AVR specs muddy their figures. The UPA-7 delivers 125wpc all channels driven. Every AVR spec I've read shows either a single channel or at best 2 channels driven to achieve full power.
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 13, 2012 12:20:09 GMT -5
140 WPC seems to be the "de jeur defacto" number in the industry as it has become a standard for many manufacturers. I know Emotiva has always been about big power, but a 7 channel amp might appeal to a person that want separates but not big mono blocs.
After all, 140 WPC is a fair amount of power, and providing that it is simultaneously provided to all channels at full bandwidth and stable down to 2 ohms, you would have a real winner in my opinion.
That amp would be widely accepted by many..
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Post by badronald on Mar 13, 2012 12:34:37 GMT -5
You can't get an honest 300x7 out of a 120V x 15A = 1800 W outlet. More importantly, there's no ambient/surround sound you'd want to pump 300 watts to. I don't see a need for an amp that put the same power to 7 channels. I'd much rather send twice as much power to the front two speakers that do all the work, with a fraction of that going around. Or just a moderate-power 3/5 channel paired with a high power 2 channel. I can't see ever using more than 100 honest watts in the surrounds (and even that seems silly), but I'll gladly take 300+ to the fronts. Your statement is not completely correct. In real world situations, a white noise type signal is not applied to all seven channels all the time. Music/movies are changing signals, so 300x7 came be useful for people with very very large rooms. The are 100's of speakers that can handle 300w or more that can be used for surrounds, etc. The original OP is just asking for opinions, not to comment on other posts.
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Post by maximumkahuna on Mar 13, 2012 12:41:32 GMT -5
I'd second most of chukienut's response. I don't know that the sales volume is there to make something like 7 X 200 or 300 wpc viable. Hardcore audiophiles will go for the xpa -2/xpa-5 option or maybe 2 xpa-1's and an xpa-3/xpa-5. They won't worry about space requirements or the cost. However something for HT installers like 200 wpc across the front and maybe 4 X 75 in one chassis might have some marketability. I never thought my LPA-1 was lacking because of the reduced power to the 6/7 channels. Actually I miss that amp. It was my first foray into hi-end audio sound.
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Post by moovtune on Mar 13, 2012 12:43:41 GMT -5
I agree with some of the above comments. A 7 channel amp with at least 200wpc, all channels driven, would probably cost over $1000 and be very heavy. I would guess not a big seller. And since the 7 x 125wpc didn't do well either then somewhere in between might work as Porcheguy says. But another option would be a 140-150 wpc 5 channel amp for around $630-700. Then it could be paired with a UPA-1 or 2 or an XPA-1 or 2 for front channels or UPA-2 or mini-amp for surrounds.
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Post by weird23 on Mar 13, 2012 12:55:51 GMT -5
A 3 x 200-250 wpc, 4 x 125 wpc would be a nice amp to see released. I can't really see any of us needing more than 125 wpc for the surrounds, I'm using 200wpc right now and it seems to be overkill.
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Post by DYohn on Mar 13, 2012 12:57:33 GMT -5
A 3 x 200-250 wpc, 4 x 125 wpc would be a nice amp to see released. I can't really see any of us needing more than 125 wpc for the surrounds, I'm using 200wpc right now and it seems to be overkill. That sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
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Post by dcg44s on Mar 13, 2012 12:59:23 GMT -5
I don't see myself buying a seven channel amplifier for a couple of reasons,one a practical consideration and the other a matter of choice. One the practical side is the fact that I am only doing 5.1 and don't forsee that changing anytime soon.So for me I just don't need a seven channel. Even if I were to move to a larger space however and decide to go for the 7.1 setup I still don't think that I would choose a seven channel amp because I like the idea of having a separate two channel amp to power the left and right mains. That way when I am listening to strictly two channel music I can just use the single two channel amp rather than having all seven channels drawing power.Plus it allows me the option of using a higher power amp for the mains. I have agree with villock and others who like the old RPA-2.I love those meters plus I have an interest in trying a class H amp.If they or something similar were available now I would buy one as soon as I was able.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 13:32:56 GMT -5
Dan I think that the seven channel that you guys already make on the Sherbourn side would be a great product for you to carry. It would be a great compromise with the larger power supply to give it more guts in two channel mode but also give those who want to have a one box option a choice. I think this at the $999-$1050 range could be a very good seller for you.
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Post by mfeust on Mar 13, 2012 13:39:34 GMT -5
Hi Dan,
Great question. This response is of course just my opinion. I think you already did this so many years ago. I still have and may never let it go, the MPS-1 7 channel amp. In my eyes one of the best looking amps I ever saw and also a great sounding amp. The flexablity of this amp with it's modular design and multiple amp blades available to use in the chassis was complete genius.
I use 4 amp blades to bi-amp my front speakers, no center channel, although with 7 amp blades I have an amp for the center, and two amp blades for the surrounds.
I would have the chassis with different amp blade configurations available to customize for different setups.
Mark
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Post by jmilton on Mar 13, 2012 14:20:01 GMT -5
Hi Dan, Great question. This response is of course just my opinion. I think you already did this so many years ago. I still have and may never let it go, the MPS-1 7 channel amp. In my eyes one of the best looking amps I ever saw and also a great sounding amp. The flexablity of this amp with it's modular design and multiple amp blades available to use in the chassis was complete genius. I use 4 amp blades to bi-amp my front speakers, no center channel, although with 7 amp blades I have an amp for the center, and two amp blades for the surrounds. I would have the chassis with different amp blade configurations available to customize for different setups. Mark There you go. Just build a modular amp. People who want a killer stereo will buy two "power blades". Want 7.1?, buy seven blades. Make slots for up to 9 blades. Config. to each persons needs. Whole lot easier to ship a faulty blade, than a whole amp. The blades can be upgradable from 100 watts up to 400 watts and priced accordingly. Simple and brilliant.
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Post by thepcguy on Mar 13, 2012 14:34:21 GMT -5
No to 7-channel amp.
Reasons:
- limited source materials - 2-channel listening most of the time - weight (shipping cost and in my situation, hard to install in a tight space)
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Post by indyscammer on Mar 13, 2012 14:47:14 GMT -5
Ditto for me as well. I enjoy my UPA-7 immensely and have no desire to part with it. To me it was a headscratcher as to why it didn't sell better than what it did. I think that many AVR owners looked at the specs for their AVR and the UPA-7 specs and decided there wasn't enough of a power increase to make buying the UPA-7 worthwhile. Too bad the AVR manufacturers aren't more honest with their published specs. The UPA-7 is clearly more powerful than any 7 channel AVR made - but the AVR specs muddy their figures. The UPA-7 delivers 125wpc all channels driven. Every AVR spec I've read shows either a single channel or at best 2 channels driven to achieve full power. Happy UPA-7 owner here as well. 5 channels running HT 5.1 system....2 channels running zone 2 outs. It was the only option I had financially at the time. With money no object...requirements disappear and WANTS take over. ;D I would have paid more for 7 channels of more power...but not the increase to buy 2 or more separate amps. That's just me.
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 13, 2012 15:17:49 GMT -5
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Post by selkec on Mar 13, 2012 15:23:03 GMT -5
I have to agree with some about going modular. Just as I was about to get the IPS-1 or whatever the old modular amp was it went away But make it to where we have to buy it with 7 channels. Not just 5 and then add some later. But let us configuer it when ordering. OR make 2 or 3 channels with more power than the rest. The guys into music would probably want the one configured with 2 high power channels. As I would probably go for 3 since Im a HT kinda guy.
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 13, 2012 15:24:57 GMT -5
Another plus for a 7 channel is it lets you do 5.1 and still have two channels left for a zone 2 need...
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