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Post by Pauly on May 24, 2012 18:14:52 GMT -5
Fair enough. It's a free country.
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Post by Dr. Feel Good on May 24, 2012 18:16:46 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen any thread go viral like this in the resent months w/this much passion.
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Post by jamrock on May 24, 2012 19:33:30 GMT -5
Don't be too eager to be offended my friend. I did not say that it was not good. I implied that there is no published information by which you can make a decision to buy other than the reputation of the company. I believe that this is a reasonable position to take. I've been following Emotiva since December 2009 and joined June 2010. Since that time, I'm not aware of any component offered for sale or pre-order for which there were not performance information provided. Except the XSP-1, which I did not see. But it compared to the USP-1 (a stellar pre/amp) and reported to be better. So, you have something to go on. The proposed features for the XMC-1 were revealed before the pre-order list began 3 years ago. it has been revised several times since and now we do have a product page. There is enough information for an audiophile to make a decision to buy. This new subwoofer is the first of its kind with no information provided: speakers sizes, power, extension, distortion, spl, etc. Nothing strange about me or my comments. Extremely rationale I might say ;D Did you even read what Stereophile said about it?? They were floored by its performance...... Look up a few posts I have now read the Stereophile article. I was expecting a review of sorts. But it was just an opinion. To wit, a favorable one. But this seems to be a sub designed to match Sonos speakers only. And here is the quote that grabbed my attention: "The SUB seems like an obvious choice for listeners who already own Sonos systems, but what if you want to connect the SUB to another brand of loudspeaker? Sonos’s engineers considered that, too. They’ve analyzed a number of other loudspeakers to create algorithms which will allow the SUB to mate properly with your system"What other speakers? For the millions of model speakers available, which models are included in that "Number of other speakers" That is not a chance I'm willing to take for my system. This seems like a 'good fit' for you who already have a Sonos system. I hope that it works well for you
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Post by klinemj on May 24, 2012 20:35:43 GMT -5
I love my Sonos. It's not for my main listening, but instead - for tunes all over the house for ambience...while cooking, eating, working in the garage, in the pool, in the hot tub, on the deck, in our master bedroom. Given that, I don't really care about the sub. What I would LOVE for them to come out with is a single unit with multiple outs, each one assignable to different inputs. I'd love 1 single unit feeding my multiple household zones w/independent sound. If each out had their own amp - even better. As is, one has to buy multiple "connect: amp" units to meet this need. Which means one needs an electrical outlet for each one. I have 4 electric sockets in my central system space...aside from not wanting multiple units sitting there (clutter), I'd like 1 unit and 1 power supply.
The only thing I could use a sub for is the Play 5 equivalent I have. It is weak on bass. But, for that, I'd rather they offered a Play 5 with decent bass instead of a separate part.
That's my 2 cents.
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Post by Porscheguy on May 24, 2012 20:46:13 GMT -5
Did you even read what Stereophile said about it?? They were floored by its performance...... Look up a few posts I have now read the Stereophile article. I was expecting a review of sorts. But it was just an opinion. To wit, a favorable one. But this seems to be a sub designed to match Sonos speakers only. And here is the quote that grabbed my attention: "The SUB seems like an obvious choice for listeners who already own Sonos systems, but what if you want to connect the SUB to another brand of loudspeaker? Sonos’s engineers considered that, too. They’ve analyzed a number of other loudspeakers to create algorithms which will allow the SUB to mate properly with your system"What other speakers? For the millions of model speakers available, which models are included in that "Number of other speakers" That is not a chance I'm willing to take for my system. This seems like a 'good fit' for you who already have a Sonos system. I hope that it works well for you Jammy, the damn thing isn't even out yet. They will release more info in time.... Take it easy will ya :-) Whats wrong with Stereophile? Audioholics is more impartial? Yeah right. They say great things about Emo products (and they should) but its a well know fact that Gene Dellsalla and Dan are good friends. a lot of their glowing reviews are for the very products they sell in the Audioholics store. Instead of being so pejorative, why not wait and see what the thing sounds like. The Stereophile guys seemed to be really, really impressed just listening..... But you need specs and frequency curves blah, blah.... You truly could screw up a free lunch by asking for change :-( Gimme a break. Smile will ya? Its just a sub.... :-)
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Post by Porscheguy on May 24, 2012 20:54:56 GMT -5
I love my Sonos. It's not for my main listening, but instead - for tunes all over the house for ambience...while cooking, eating, working in the garage, in the pool, in the hot tub, on the deck, in our master bedroom. Given that, I don't really care about the sub. What I would LOVE for them to come out with is a single unit with multiple outs, each one assignable to different inputs. I'd love 1 single unit feeding my multiple household zones w/independent sound. If each out had their own amp - even better. As is, one has to buy multiple "connect: amp" units to meet this need. Which means one needs an electrical outlet for each one. I have 4 electric sockets in my central system space...aside from not wanting multiple units sitting there (clutter), I'd like 1 unit and 1 power supply. The only thing I could use a sub for is the Play 5 equivalent I have. It is weak on bass. But, for that, I'd rather they offered a Play 5 with decent bass instead of a separate part. That's my 2 cents. Mark Not sure what your looking for Mark. You can have up to 32 separate zones all playing different things. If you had play 5's or 3's that would be easy, just keep adding. If you want different speakers then the ZP120 needs to be added (of course). Maybe someday there will be a zone player amp that has 5 stereo channels. You could then have 5 different zones playing different things. I think that's what you mean... :-) I told them them the obvious no brainer for their next product should be high quality wireless headphones. They already have the technology for the most part.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 21:10:35 GMT -5
I guess i can see why someone would want the sonos stuff but the similarities between them and bose are quite entertaining to read about.
At $700 it's a bit pricey for what it is but I've spend way more than that on lap dances alone, the last time I was in vegas, so I'm not the one to say what anyone should spend their money on lol!
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Post by klinemj on May 24, 2012 21:32:36 GMT -5
I think you basically get it...I want multiple Sonos zones off 1 device instead of multiple devices. FYI, I built my house 12 years ago. I have a central home audio system for the ambience music I referred to. As I built the home, I pre-wired it to have a single source go to 1 amp, then out to various rooms. Each room as fairly decent speakers hard-wired to that central source.
Once I discovered Sonos, I added a ZP90 to become the input to that central part of my system - so it can provide internet radio/tunes from my networked HD/etc. to my kitchen, my great room (living/dining room), my loft, my hot tub room, by master suite, etc,). Amp power comes from an old Rotel - 2 channel split to all those locations, and speakers are hard-wired to each room. As is, I can set 1 incoming source and volume level (except I can set down most room's volumes via wall controls at the rooms) for this portion of my Sonos system.
And, I have 2 ZP-120's to power outdoor zones (pool, deck). Neither of these is tied into the central system and power completely different zones. And, I have a portable "5" unit I can take anywhere in the range of the system. Of course, as you know w/Sonos - I can set these to different sources and volumes vs. each other and the ZP90. Net, I end up w/ 4 Sonos zones that have independent sources/volumes, and 1 big central zone that I would like to "break up" more.
So...What I really want is to independently have Sonos control/sources/amping to everything that central system does...but, with 1 simple unit instead of buying 4-5 ZP120's (or the new equivalent or multiple 5's or 3's whose sound I find limited...) and having 4-5 units all sitting there in my central system location (which is a recessed shelving area central to my home within my kitchen). This would break up my central system into more independent zones (vs. all being tied to 1 player).
While I could buy a lot of ZP120's or 3's or 5's, it would be far more "tidy" (and better sound than the 3's or 5's) to have 1 multi-zone ZP120-like unit feeding sources to all locations my central system serves. In doing so, I would free up more space in the shelving in this little shelving area for decorative items and beer mugs, etc.
Make sense?
That's my wish-list...
Mark
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Post by klinemj on May 24, 2012 21:41:45 GMT -5
Unless I am missing something, I don't see anything Bose offers that is like Sonos as a central system.
As far as sound goes, I will agree that Sonos is not what I would consider even remotely high-end...so in that respect, perhaps it is like Bose. But, Sonos is a great system to access internet music or network-stored digital music for casual listening and control it all over the house.
And I don't see Bose offering the whole-home networking Sonos does. And, for sitting in the hot tub, parties on the deck, etc. around my home - Sonos is great.
For critical listening...neither Bose nor Sonos cut it for me. But, my critical listening system - as great as it sounds - can't allow me to have a whole-house party sound system like Sonos does either.
Net, until someone offers both in 1 - I am stuck with both. And, I love each for what they do.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 0:02:20 GMT -5
The marketing of sonos, not the look of the products, I just worded it badly. I've never heard them and to be honest, wouldn't want them for anything so I'm sure I never will.
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Post by klinemj on May 25, 2012 5:43:43 GMT -5
Got it - agree - similar marketing...
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Post by RadTech on May 25, 2012 9:54:12 GMT -5
I have to agree with you Ed! Enjoy your new sub. Got to love speculation. It sounds as if it will work for your intended use well.
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Post by Porscheguy on May 25, 2012 14:20:36 GMT -5
I guess i can see why someone would want the sonos stuff but the similarities between them and bose are quite entertaining to read about. At $700 it's a bit pricey for what it is but I've spend way more than that on lap dances alone, the last time I was in vegas, so I'm not the one to say what anyone should spend their money on lol! $700.00 is pricey for a subwoofer? Huh? Here's a nice little number with a puny 10" driver thats $2800. THATS expensive..... velodyne.com/subwoofers/shop-by-series/digital-drive-plus-series/digital-drive-plus-10.html
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 15:58:22 GMT -5
I guess i can see why someone would want the sonos stuff but the similarities between them and bose are quite entertaining to read about. At $700 it's a bit pricey for what it is but I've spend way more than that on lap dances alone, the last time I was in vegas, so I'm not the one to say what anyone should spend their money on lol! $700.00 is pricey for a subwoofer? Huh? Here's a nice little number with a puny 10" driver thats $2800. THATS expensive..... velodyne.com/subwoofers/shop-by-series/digital-drive-plus-series/digital-drive-plus-10.htmlYes $700 for that bass module is kinda pricey, I don't think you can call that a sub woofer. I understand that it goes with the rest of the sonos stuff but for something with no specs of any kind and the marketing they shucking, you have to admit it's kinda funny. I wouldn't pay for that velo either, that just outright insane money for what it is. I mean common man, you have to have a bit thinker skin for this kinda stuff. Don't take it personally, From the info available (which is none) you have to see that it's kinda strange that no specs are posted. Thats a HUGE reg flag for a ton of us that like the numbers. Sure it may sound good in person but I'm never gonna hear it, cause it's not something I would want. If you post a thread you're going to have people that don't agree with you. Can't just have it 1 way, gotta take it all.
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Post by Porscheguy on May 25, 2012 17:00:29 GMT -5
Yes $700 for that bass module is kinda pricey, I don't think you can call that a sub woofer. I understand that it goes with the rest of the sonos stuff but for something with no specs of any kind and the marketing they shucking, you have to admit it's kinda funny. I wouldn't pay for that velo either, that just outright insane money for what it is. I mean common man, you have to have a bit thinker skin for this kinda stuff. Don't take it personally, From the info available (which is none) you have to see that it's kinda strange that no specs are posted. Thats a HUGE reg flag for a ton of us that like the numbers. Sure it may sound good in person but I'm never gonna hear it, cause it's not something I would want. If you post a thread you're going to have people that don't agree with you. Can't just have it 1 way, gotta take it all. You know nothing about Sonos, have never heard Sonos and and say you have no interest in it whatsoever... So........... wadda ya doin in this thread brotha??
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Post by jamrock on May 25, 2012 17:31:44 GMT -5
PG knows that the vast majority of members on this forum want to have the specs to back up the hype. I don't know why he acts so surprised that we demand the specs. While I rely on the specs to a certain degree, I'll never rely on another person's subjective feelings and opinions to make my purchase. C'mon PG, fess up! ;D
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Post by Porscheguy on May 25, 2012 17:50:09 GMT -5
PG knows that the vast majority of members on this forum want to have the specs to back up the hype. I don't know why he acts so surprised that we demand the specs. While I rely on the specs to a certain degree, I'll never rely on another person's subjective feelings and opinions to make my purchase. C'mon PG, fess up! ;D Fess up? WTF? How many guys here own Emo subs? Plenty. What are the freq curves and spl output on those? Whoops..... not published by the manufacturer.......... Yeah, I need facts and figures for the sub thats going in my garage and in my three season porch..... You know I have an SVS PB12 plus and two Velodynes..... I'm not stoopid.... I know a little about music. I'll put my system against yours any day You know nothing about Sonos either.... It shows.....
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Post by DYohn on May 25, 2012 18:06:53 GMT -5
The Sonos sub is designed to work as part of a Sonos music system. It is not even usable as part of a standard home theater or music system. Did any of you naysayers even LOOK at the web site? The only input is wireless or wired Ethernet. And come on, "not a sub"? It has listed output to 25Hz. That is sub-bass - anything below 80Hz is sub-bass. It is used with the Sonons speaker system. It is not intended to compete with traditional subs, it's part of the Sonos whole-house system. All of you who are unfamiliar with Sonos should look at what the Sonos system IS and how it works. I suggest starting here: www.sonos.com/system
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Post by Dan Laufman on May 25, 2012 19:15:56 GMT -5
For what it's worth... Listen to a Sonos system. Sonos has a great product, but it could use some more low end punch. This subwoofer is designed to complement their other speaker offerings and will undoubtedly make their customers very happy, and blend quite nicely with their other products while integrating into their ecosystem with out any fuss. I'd call it a winner. It's is not intended to be a sub for bass heads! Gee, can you believe I'm endorsing other brands?? Cheers, Dan
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Post by Dan Laufman on May 25, 2012 19:18:09 GMT -5
Unless I am missing something, I don't see anything Bose offers that is like Sonos as a central system. As far as sound goes, I will agree that Sonos is not what I would consider even remotely high-end...so in that respect, perhaps it is like Bose. But, Sonos is a great system to access internet music or network-stored digital music for casual listening and control it all over the house. And I don't see Bose offering the whole-home networking Sonos does. And, for sitting in the hot tub, parties on the deck, etc. around my home - Sonos is great. For critical listening...neither Bose nor Sonos cut it for me. But, my critical listening system - as great as it sounds - can't allow me to have a whole-house party sound system like Sonos does either. Net, until someone offers both in 1 - I am stuck with both. And, I love each for what they do. Mark I agree with you! Sometimes you just want to hear some music!
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