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Post by hemster on Jul 11, 2012 19:15:55 GMT -5
So I guess this means none of the Emo Lounge members are going to the AH-GTG this October? ;D Thanks for the heads-up. I plan to be there if I'm not traveling on business then.
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Jul 11, 2012 19:17:47 GMT -5
Not unless it's on Saipan.
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Post by majorloser on Jul 11, 2012 19:20:04 GMT -5
Not unless it's on Saipan. Sounds good to me! Granted, don't like long flights very much.
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Post by hemster on Jul 11, 2012 19:21:56 GMT -5
The Audioholics GTG Event will be in Tarpon Springs, FL. Event Dates: October 26th 2012: Demo Setup, Meet & Greet, some demos (after 2pm EST) October 27th 2012: Demo day, educational seminars, lunch for registered attendees (9am - 7pm EST) Emotiva are a Gold sponsor of this event.
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 11, 2012 19:33:44 GMT -5
In the 1st instance, for these idiots it means that if a certain name plate adorns a product, it can't be good. And alternately for other name plates, even when the test bench shows them to be lemons, they are the best wet dream ever. There is a lot of truth in that statement Jammy...I have noticed this same type of brand loyalty in every aspect of audio hobbies, though. Recording/pro audio gear, car audio gear, headphone gear, and (of course) home audio gear. It doesn't seem to end, no mater where you look. The best thing to do is sift through the information available and make an informed decision. The Emotiva fans on this forum all have one thing in common. We love great sounding audio gear. I have seen guys come here and post the they have sold high dollar amplifiers after trying Emotiva amps. It seems to me that in every audio/video based hobby, there is something about a price tag that seems to garner instant respect from people because it suddenly seems esoteric. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if there was a double blind study that included Emotiva, Krell, Levinson, McIntosh, Carver, etc amps that many audiophiles that diss on Emotiva would not be able to pick it out of the lineup, no matter how much "crappier" it sounds when compared to their high dollar amps. I am not dissing on the high dollar stuff either. If I had the cash, I would own a rack full of McIntosh gear...just to say I do. I say, "If you can't hear the difference, then why pay the difference!" There is a "prestige" that comes along with owning specific amplifiers, there is no denying that. Even here on the lounge, the RPA-1 seems to be heralded as the best amplifier that Emotiva has ever produced...and its secondary market prices seem to reflect that. There is a level of "prestige" that comes along with owning this (now classic) amplifier.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 11, 2012 19:39:27 GMT -5
The Audioholics GTG Event will be in Tarpon Springs, FL. Event Dates: October 26th 2012: Demo Setup, Meet & Greet, some demos (after 2pm EST) October 27th 2012: Demo day, educational seminars, lunch for registered attendees (9am - 7pm EST) Emotiva are a Gold sponsor of this event. If I can manage to get that Friday, October 26 I'll definitely attend.
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 11, 2012 20:43:57 GMT -5
It seems to me that in every audio/video based hobby, there is something about a price tag that seems to garner instant respect from people because it suddenly seems esoteric. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if there was a double blind study that included Emotiva, Krell, Levinson, McIntosh, Carver, etc amps that many audiophiles that diss on Emotiva would not be able to pick it out of the lineup, no matter how much "crappier" it sounds when compared to their high dollar amps. I am not dissing on the high dollar stuff either. If I had the cash, I would own a rack full of McIntosh gear...just to say I do. I say, "If you can't hear the difference, then why pay the difference!" Hey now, you just answered the question you asked in the 3rd paragraph above with what you said in the 1st and 2nd paragraphs! ;D
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 11, 2012 20:49:26 GMT -5
It seems to me that in every audio/video based hobby, there is something about a price tag that seems to garner instant respect from people because it suddenly seems esoteric. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if there was a double blind study that included Emotiva, Krell, Levinson, McIntosh, Carver, etc amps that many audiophiles that diss on Emotiva would not be able to pick it out of the lineup, no matter how much "crappier" it sounds when compared to their high dollar amps. I am not dissing on the high dollar stuff either. If I had the cash, I would own a rack full of McIntosh gear...just to say I do. I say, "If you can't hear the difference, then why pay the difference!" Hey now, you just answered the question you asked in the 3rd paragraph above with what you said in the 1st and 2nd paragraphs! ;D HAHAHHA! That's true, I just like to pose rhetorical questions on forums. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Jul 11, 2012 22:13:17 GMT -5
Not unless it's on Saipan. I'm still waiting for everyone to collect enough money for me to fly to Emofest. ;D I took the time off work so all I need is airfare.
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Post by RightinLA on Jul 11, 2012 22:24:30 GMT -5
Not unless it's on Saipan. I'm still waiting for everyone to collect enough money for me to fly to Emofest. ;D I took the time off work so all I need is airfare. Make a deal with Emotiva and perhaps you can catch a ride on one of the ships leaving China with Emotiva gear.
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Jul 11, 2012 22:55:42 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for everyone to collect enough money for me to fly to Emofest. ;D I took the time off work so all I need is airfare. Make a deal with Emotiva and perhaps you can catch a ride on one of the ships leaving China with Emotiva gear. LOL, I don't have that much vacation time.
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Post by jmilton on Jul 12, 2012 5:17:04 GMT -5
Not unless it's on Saipan. I'm still waiting for everyone to collect enough money for me to fly to Emofest. ;D I took the time off work so all I need is airfare. Perhaps if everyone just chipped in their 2 cents worth...
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Jul 12, 2012 19:52:05 GMT -5
100k members at 2 cents each would do it. I know most members like to give their 2 cents anyway.
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Post by Jim on Jul 13, 2012 9:06:42 GMT -5
I'd be pretty pissed if my new thousand dollar amp hummed or buzzed, that's a very legitimate gripe. Rather than complain about that customer, it'd make more sense to reach out and try to make it right. Buzzed or hummed? Anything is audible if you stick your head to it or listen closely. Even a lightbulb. It's physics. Nothing is completely silent and it's an impossible expectation. People love to find some gripe and complain about Emo gear... and totally overlook that almost all gear has the same limitations. A big transformer is going to make more noise than a small one
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 13, 2012 11:35:28 GMT -5
^Exactly, I once tried to help someone that complained of a hiss coming through their speakers. They acted like they were in a snake pit it made so much noise. Their speakers were even less efficient than mine! It turned out that the way they got their "hiss" was to turn the volume up all the way on their UMC-1 (via their XPA-5), with nothing playing and have their ear next to the tweeter (not at listening position, not close, but right up on it)!
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Post by coldfusion on Jul 13, 2012 12:09:36 GMT -5
Buzzed or hummed? Anything is audible if you stick your head to it or listen closely. Even a lightbulb. It's physics. Nothing is completely silent and it's an impossible expectation. I've never "heard" any amp/receiver/prepro that was functioning properly. People love to find some gripe and complain about Emo gear... and totally overlook that almost all gear has the same limitations. A big transformer is going to make more noise than a small one. Emo has some detractors, i'll give you that. There are also people that will defend to their last breath. Any company that has "fanboys" is going to attract trolls, that's just the way the internet is. Xbox vs. PS3, Ford vs. Chevy, Apple vs. PC, wherever someone is willing to post "this company rocks!", there will be someone else to post "that company sucks". Designs with bigger transformers will make more noise, as you noted. But there are design considerations and tradeoffs with any piece of audio equipment. It's up to the designer to choose what they are doing and how to deal with the weaknesses of that particular design. Bigger transformer systems may need sound dampening material inside the chassis. Ported subs have to worry about port size in relation to air speed. This is why engineers are engineers. Maximize strength, minimize weakness. All at a cost. I don't think it's "ridiculous" to call out something for a weakness in a very expensive piece of equipment that your cheap equipment didn't have, as long as you are using it in the same way and the way it was designed to be used.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 13:49:53 GMT -5
I'd be pretty pissed if my new thousand dollar amp hummed or buzzed, that's a very legitimate gripe. Rather than complain about that customer, it'd make more sense to reach out and try to make it right. Buzzed or hummed? Anything is audible if you stick your head to it or listen closely. Even a lightbulb. It's physics. Nothing is completely silent and it's an impossible expectation. People love to find some gripe and complain about Emo gear... and totally overlook that almost all gear has the same limitations. A big transformer is going to make more noise than a small one I listened to my pet rocks this morning. They didn't make much noise. Hope nothing bad happened to them
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Post by jdskycaster on Jul 13, 2012 14:32:34 GMT -5
Oh, but if you listen to some of the posts over there one would think the SNR for Emo amps is terrible. Gene seems to be trying to do his best to defend the product and is trying to say wait for the measurements but the bias is incredible.
I guess I get riled up too easily with anyone that is an amp snob because of my past history. Someone blathering on and on about how their amp is completely black because of a manufacturer posted spec is completely rediculous. Of course if you paid 2-3X (or more) for your amp you are going to say it is clearly superior even if there are no audible differences.
My experience says this is complete BS and not just with amps that are in the $5K and under range but from comparing sub $1K amps to $10-20K amps.
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Post by htinparadise on Jul 15, 2012 14:49:41 GMT -5
Sweet, thanks for the heads up. Hi Lonnie, If in fact Emotiva adopts these Neutrik XLR inputs, will there be an upgrade option for existing Emotiva product owners? I would absolutely prefer locking XLRs on my Emo equipment and likely also many other Emo current product owners. Kindest regards, HTinP
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