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Post by Porscheguy on Dec 26, 2012 10:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by Bruce on Dec 26, 2012 10:55:30 GMT -5
Pioneer Plasma is still the King of Plasma and forget LCD for a dark Home Theater.Pioneer made these set tooo good inside so the PRICE killed them.Panasonic VT series are great BUT still no PIONEER PLASMA.
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Dec 26, 2012 13:27:52 GMT -5
Panasonic's newest VT50 series is very nearly as good as the best old Pioneer flat panels now. Home theater Magazine described the differences as "nearly imperceptible". And best of all, the prices keep declining...get the VT 50 (or even ST50) series, and don't look back!  |
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Post by Porscheguy on Dec 26, 2012 14:10:59 GMT -5
I have the Pan TC series and I think it looks great. I think most of these displays look real good, its the tweak ability you don't have with the cheaper ones. Like the guy at Best Buy said "Once you get it home it will look great. Its so hard to decide when you're looking at 40 of them at once".
He was right...
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Post by GreenKiwi on Dec 26, 2012 14:41:58 GMT -5
Yeah, we got a Pioneer Plasma and couldn't be happier. I'm hoping to skip LCDs and just get to OLEDs when I need to replace it.
The only two benefits to LCDs I can see are energy efficiency and placement. There are some amazingly skinny LCD displays out there, so if placement is important, they seem to be a better choice.
As for PQ and color... plasma all the way
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Post by knucklehead on Dec 26, 2012 15:04:15 GMT -5
I'm looking at buying a new display - something in the 50" range. I currently have a 42" LCD 720P that I bought 5 years ago and since I use it for my computer monitor as well decided at that time not to buy a plasma because burn-in was a problem with them. Is that still a concern? I love the plasma picture but don't like the idea of seeing my desktop while watching a ski flick.
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Post by danny01 on Dec 26, 2012 15:14:23 GMT -5
I'm looking at buying a new display - something in the 50" range. I currently have a 42" LCD 720P that I bought 5 years ago and since I use it for my computer monitor as well decided at that time not to buy a plasma because burn-in was a problem with them. Is that still a concern? I love the plasma picture but don't like the idea of seeing my desktop while watching a ski flick. When I bought my current plasma 3 years ago, I ran break in images on a USB thumb drive for the first 100 hours or so with the contrast and brightness settings below 50. After that I watched TV regularly with the same settings for another 100 hours. Then I ramped the contrast to 100, and calibrated. I played PS3 games that had the same static image on parts of the screen for hours at a time and have zero burn in. Image retention is still there after prolonged periods of static images, but goes away after 5 mins or so of watching something else. The picture and color quality is awesome. Burn in should not be a problem with newer plasmas as long as you treat it well for the break in period. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by djoel on Dec 26, 2012 15:56:35 GMT -5
Pioneer Plasma is still the King of Plasma and forget LCD for a dark Home Theater.Pioneer made these set tooo good inside so the PRICE killed them.Panasonic VT series are great BUT still no PIONEER PLASMA. Couldn't have been said any better,too bad I sold my KRP-600 for a Sammy PDP  big mistake! Dan |
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Post by copperband on Dec 26, 2012 16:16:08 GMT -5
both of my TVs are plasma, in the summer I had a chance to see the Samsung UN55ES8000F at my brother-in law's apt. The picture is super sharp even for a dvd movie(Kung Fu Panda) and I kind of like it..... since then I have my eye on the 65" for my possible upgrade...
thoughts/comments on the Samsung 8000 series LCD? My family room is bright but I have curtain to block the light, and I do watch lots of movies and sport programs
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Post by Bruce on Dec 26, 2012 16:35:12 GMT -5
both of my TVs are plasma, in the summer I had a chance to see the Samsung UN55ES8000F at my brother-in law's apt. The picture is super sharp even for a dvd movie(Kung Fu Panda) and I kind of like it..... since then I have my eye on the 65" for my possible upgrade... thoughts/comments on the Samsung 8000 series LCD? My family room is bright but I have curtain to block the light, and I do watch lots of movies and sport programs I have seen the Samsung 800 series and the Panasonic VT-50 series side by side and the VT has much deeper black levels.They try to sell you the Samsung but the PANNY is best as they must make a bigger profit level on selling the Samsung.If you can darken the room go with the Panasonic. |
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Post by creimes on Dec 26, 2012 17:21:36 GMT -5
I'm looking at buying a new display - something in the 50" range. I currently have a 42" LCD 720P that I bought 5 years ago and since I use it for my computer monitor as well decided at that time not to buy a plasma because burn-in was a problem with them. Is that still a concern? I love the plasma picture but don't like the idea of seeing my desktop while watching a ski flick. I use my 7 year old LG 50'' 720p Plasma with a Mac Mini and I do get Image retention but have never had burn issue with the Mac or the PS3, I also have a 32'' LG LCD 1080p upstairs and I prefer Plasma display's. |
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Post by knucklehead on Dec 26, 2012 18:00:32 GMT -5
I'm looking at buying a new display - something in the 50" range. I currently have a 42" LCD 720P that I bought 5 years ago and since I use it for my computer monitor as well decided at that time not to buy a plasma because burn-in was a problem with them. Is that still a concern? I love the plasma picture but don't like the idea of seeing my desktop while watching a ski flick. I use my 7 year old LG 50'' 720p Plasma with a Mac Mini and I do get Image retention but have never had burn issue with the Mac or the PS3, I also have a 32'' LG LCD 1080p upstairs and I prefer Plasma display's. My first look at plasma was while I was shopping for my current tv - I was in a showroom where the display units were connected to DVD players. Those players would be sitting there for a few hours with the player's screen saver up. Talking to a sales guy he remarked that they all did that. He turned off the plasma displays and you clearly see the image in the screen on each of them. i haven't been unhappy with the performance of my 42' LCD but I'd like a brighter sharper picture some times. After reading the article Porcheguy posted at the top of this thread I may stick with the LCD since I use it in a sometimes very bright room. I dislike dark rooms in the daytime and my living room is white. |
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Post by USAFRetired on Dec 26, 2012 20:15:07 GMT -5
Had a Sony XBR 46 and upgraded to the Panasonic VT 50. Huge upgrade. However, I did have to purchase blackout curtains for the windows opposite the display for day time use. LCD/LED's are bright and colorful. WHen you compare them to plasmas is stores they win hands down. However once it take it home its a totally different story. I have been concerned about burnin, reason this is my first plasma. I can honesty say I see none.
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Post by creimes on Dec 26, 2012 21:09:15 GMT -5
I use my 7 year old LG 50'' 720p Plasma with a Mac Mini and I do get Image retention but have never had burn issue with the Mac or the PS3, I also have a 32'' LG LCD 1080p upstairs and I prefer Plasma display's. My first look at plasma was while I was shopping for my current tv - I was in a showroom where the display units were connected to DVD players. Those players would be sitting there for a few hours with the player's screen saver up. Talking to a sales guy he remarked that they all did that. He turned off the plasma displays and you clearly see the image in the screen on each of them. i haven't been unhappy with the performance of my 42' LCD but I'd like a brighter sharper picture some times. After reading the article Porcheguy posted at the top of this thread I may stick with the LCD since I use it in a sometimes very bright room. I dislike dark rooms in the daytime and my living room is white. It must depend sometimes, my Plasma used to be upstairs in our old place and I never had issues with the room brightness and my LCD that is upstairs now which hasn't seen a lot of use and I have the backlight set at 100% and I can barely see the screen at times. |
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Post by RightinLA on Dec 26, 2012 22:04:43 GMT -5
Pioneer Plasma is still the King of Plasma and forget LCD for a dark Home Theater.Pioneer made these set tooo good inside so the PRICE killed them.Panasonic VT series are great BUT still no PIONEER PLASMA. Couldn't have been said any better,too bad I sold my KRP-600 for a Sammy PDP big mistake! Dan I still have my KRP-500 and greatly enjoy it. I've looked at many TV's and haven't had the urge to replace it for better video quality. |
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Dec 26, 2012 22:28:44 GMT -5
I'm looking at buying a new display - something in the 50" range. I currently have a 42" LCD 720P that I bought 5 years ago and since I use it for my computer monitor as well decided at that time not to buy a plasma because burn-in was a problem with them. Is that still a concern? I love the plasma picture but don't like the idea of seeing my desktop while watching a ski flick. No, I wouldn't use a plasma for a computer monitor (what a waste!). Burn in can still be an issue if abused with LONG TERM stationary images, but the technology has come a LONG way since the early fragile days, and normal users will never have any such issues. Bottom line - I wouldn't own anything BUT a plasma for the better blacks, shadow detail, and natural color depth. Plus (and very importantly), off axis viewing is a problem with LCDs/LEDs, not so w/plasmas. If used in a room with windows, and you want to watch during the day - close the blinds! Lastly, plasmas on the show room floor will always look worse to the uninitiated. Sitting there forlornly, while all the LCDs are in torch mode 'raising their skirts' to attract the more ignorant buyers as they waddle by gripping the Sunday flyer advert from the paper,...  |
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Post by mg on Dec 26, 2012 22:29:48 GMT -5
I recently owned the new Elite while the blacks are deeper than the Kuros the color, viewing angle, flickering, etc disapointed me and sold it 2 months after.I looked at the VT50 while the color is pretty identical it lacks the inky blacks of the Kuro. Luckly I found a 6020 and haven't looked back.
Djoel - I know what you mean. I too sold my KPR-600 and pro-141fd about 2 years ago and I too regreted it.
Funny how even the 8th generation Kuros (hence pro-110 or even the 720p 1150FD) can out perform many of todays sets.
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Post by djoel on Dec 26, 2012 23:14:15 GMT -5
Couldn't have been said any better,too bad I sold my KRP-600 for a Sammy PDP big mistake! Dan I still have my KRP-500 and greatly enjoy it. I've looked at many TV's and haven't had the urge to replace it for better video quality. I had to do it mainly because I don't pay the light bill just every thing else, and you know how much these Kuro PDP are electric guzzler  my only solace is I sold it for 200 less than what I paid for, and that after 2 & half years of playing with it. Djoel |
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Post by RichGuy on Dec 27, 2012 1:08:10 GMT -5
My Panasonic Professional series TH-50PH9UK plasma is almost 6 years old now and less than one year out of the original 5 year warranty Panasonic gave me.
It is still like new in every way and has the best most natural and realistic picture of any I have seen. I have never seen another display I'd rather have.
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big mistake!
my only solace is I sold it for 200 less than what I paid for, and that after 2 & half years of playing with it.
