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Post by doc1963 on Jan 30, 2013 17:06:47 GMT -5
OK For everyone's info I am connected via HDMI from the Blue-ray player. As suggested I selected FLAT in the EQ and the BASS comes to life. If I select the EMO-Q setting the Bass is suppressed again. If I leave the EMO-Q on and then toggles the different modes with the remote, on DTS the bass is gone, when it gets to DIRECT it come back to life. So what I am hearing is that even though I have EMO-Q selected and then toggle to direct with the remote (which displays DTS) I am NOT getting the effect of the EMO-Q? CC IMO, what you're "possibly" hearing (short of a screwed up EQ setting) is what true " flat" bass sounds like in your room. Since "Flat" (the EQ setting) and "Direct" does basically the same thing (bypass the EQ), everything points back to the equalization (or flattening) of your room response. Maybe you just don't like "flat" room response and would prefer the punchy (or lively) bass. That's totally okay. Everyone likes what they like. Just turn the EQ setting off (by selecting "FLAT") and you should be fine as long as you like the way everything else sounds too.... If you'd prefer, you can also fine tune what EmoQ has done to better suit your liking. BTW, just for the sake of information, when you state that you get "NO BASS" with EmoQ active and in any mode other than "Direct", are you saying that you get ZERO activity from your sub or just inadequate activity? I'm only asking because there is a difference between the two.
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Post by garym on Jan 30, 2013 18:54:54 GMT -5
cc999 ---
When the disc starts to play, the UMC will show a pop-up box indicating the type of signal it is receiving over HDMI. What does it show ---- DTS, or "3/2+LFE"?
If the latter, then the player has already decoded the DTS. You should select "Multi-PCM" for the input. If it shows "DTS," then you should use that input. In that case the UMC will do the decoding.
At least, that's the way it works on my Denon.
It is not clear to me, though, what playback mode should be selected for Multi-PCM inputs. None of them seem appropriate. I've only watched a couple movies so far through the UMC-200, and have set the playback mode (for Multi-PCM input) to PLIIx.
Would be nice if Emotiva included a comprehensive manual for that unit (the manual for the Denon is 104 pages of very small print).
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Post by cwt on Jan 30, 2013 22:50:34 GMT -5
cc999 --- It is not clear to me, though, what playback mode should be selected for Multi-PCM inputs. None of them seem appropriate. I've only watched a couple movies so far through the UMC-200, and have set the playback mode (for Multi-PCM input) to PLIIx. Its something sorta related Ive noticed too Gary about the dsp presets . When I hooked up my back surrounds the other day and selected pl2x in the menu for all the different codec inputs and straight lpcm ;the on screen pop up said pl2z instead .. Obviously a consequence of re purposing the back surrounds to front highs ;it would be nice to have separate dsp readouts in the osd and menu ;or at the least the osd to read plz/x to clarify things Couldnt find anything in the manual to reference this. Very happy with the solid operation of the 200 so far though and love the standby active switching which works perfect with my Tvix duo
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 30, 2013 23:24:25 GMT -5
cc999 --- It is not clear to me, though, what playback mode should be selected for Multi-PCM inputs. None of them seem appropriate. I've only watched a couple movies so far through the UMC-200, and have set the playback mode (for Multi-PCM input) to PLIIx. Its something sorta related Ive noticed too Gary about the dsp presets . When I hooked up my back surrounds the other day and selected pl2x in the menu for all the different codec inputs and straight lpcm ;the on screen pop up said pl2z instead .. Obviously a consequence of re purposing the back surrounds to front highs ; it would be nice to have separate dsp readouts in the osd and menu ;or at the least the osd to read plz/x to clarify things Couldnt find anything in the manual to reference this. Very happy with the solid operation of the 200 so far though and love the standby active switching which works perfect with my Tvix duo If I'm understanding you correctly, there is a display function in the UMC-200 that will show what type of data stream is being received and what "mode" the UMC-200 has selected for it. On your remote, press the "Display" button once to toggle between the two display modes. This applies only to the information being displayed in the window on the front of the UMC-200 itself. I'm not sure how it affects the "on screen" pop up.
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 30, 2013 23:33:30 GMT -5
cc999 --- When the disc starts to play, the UMC will show a pop-up box indicating the type of signal it is receiving over HDMI. What does it show ---- DTS, or "3/2+LFE"? If the latter, then the player has already decoded the DTS. You should select "Multi-PCM" for the input. If it shows "DTS," then you should use that input. In that case the UMC will do the decoding. At least, that's the way it works on my Denon. It is not clear to me, though, what playback mode should be selected for Multi-PCM inputs. None of them seem appropriate. I've only watched a couple movies so far through the UMC-200, and have set the playback mode (for Multi-PCM input) to PLIIx. Would be nice if Emotiva included a comprehensive manual for that unit (the manual for the Denon is 104 pages of very small print). "All Stereo" is the mode to be used for Multi-PCM data streams. It applies BM and EQ, but leaves the independent channels discreet (not to be confused with how it would handle 2 channel PCM).
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Post by creimes on Jan 30, 2013 23:48:00 GMT -5
As long as the source is outputting the .1 channel then yes, but if you are listening to say a CD which is only 2 channel then there will be no Subwoofer activity in Direct Mode How about just stereo then? If you set the UMC-200 to stereo your sub will be active and you will have bass management available, when I listen to something with a heavy bass track I will use stereo on my UMC-1 so I can have my sub to handle the nice deep bass and if I'm not needing sub duty I will listen in Direct. My mains only go so deep so I do find listening in Direct won't sound as full as when using Stereo setting, so depends on your speakers for what would sound best.
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Post by garym on Jan 30, 2013 23:55:46 GMT -5
Thanks, doc. That makes sense. Is that in the manual and I missed it?
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Post by garym on Jan 31, 2013 0:00:40 GMT -5
creimes ---
"If you set the UMC-200 to stereo your sub will be active and you will have bass management available."
Only if you have set your main speakers to "small" and set a crossover point.
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Post by cwt on Jan 31, 2013 0:18:03 GMT -5
If I'm understanding you correctly, there is a display function in the UMC-200 that will show what type of data stream is being received and what "mode" the UMC-200 has selected for it. On your remote, press the "Display" button once to toggle between the two display modes. This applies only to the information being displayed in the window on the front of the UMC-200 itself. I'm not sure how it affects the "on screen" pop up. Thanks Doc ; yes tried it with the alternate display key and def reads pl2z as you cycle through the available presets still though. Ive kept it simple with just 2ch pcm input and pl2x selected in the menu to facilitate skipping the lossless presets It must have been a hard choice to make to simplify the readout as i can envisage some complaints saying ''where is the pl2z'' so emo cant really win . Maybe in a future firmware this will be sorted with an extra menu entry for pl2z ; not a biggee to me in any case . Just programmed the tuner for North america btw and am impressed by the number of stations picked up and the s/n threshold of the automatic scan seems to be spot on to get the quality stations ; like the good old days when a tuner wasnt an afterthought
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Post by davidas6350 on Jan 31, 2013 5:17:45 GMT -5
Thanks Doc ; yes tried it with the alternate display key and def reads pl2z as you cycle through the available presets still though. Ive kept it simple with just 2ch pcm input and pl2x selected in the menu to facilitate skipping the lossless presets It must have been a hard choice to make to simplify the readout as i can envisage some complaints saying ''where is the pl2z'' so emo cant really win . Maybe in a future firmware this will be sorted with an extra menu entry for pl2z ; not a biggee to me in any case . I've experimented on using the Back rear channel & Front height. When using Front height, the PLIIz displayed correctly (PLIIz Height) but using the Back rear setup, the menu choices will be PLIIx but incorrectly display "PLIIz." This is one of the things I inquired Emotiva about and according to an email I got from Keith: "The PLIIz showing up in on the screen (when it should say PLIIx) is a known bug, and is on the list to be fixed."I eventually settled on using the Back rear setup with player doing the decoding and UMC accepting Multi-PCM using "All Stereo" mode. This eliminated the little things that's been bothering me.
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Post by cc999 on Jan 31, 2013 5:36:22 GMT -5
Garym
When I put the disk in it will show DTS on the screen popup. Bass is minimal When I select DIRECT mode via the remote, the bass is fantastic and the popup says DIRECT for a second then shows DTS again. This is what is confusing to me.
Can anyone explain why it does this?
CC
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Post by davidas6350 on Jan 31, 2013 5:54:20 GMT -5
^ I don't know any better explanation than what KeithL said on his second post on page 1.
The pop up display is just telling you that you're receiving DTS bitstream and using DIRECT mode.
Do you have any question on what he said?
Also, it would probably help if you list the settings ("Gain" & "Q") on the Subwoofer Channel under the EMO-Q. Band 1, 2, 3 = ?
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Post by cwt on Jan 31, 2013 6:27:41 GMT -5
This is one of the things I inquired Emotiva about and according to an email I got from Keith: "The PLIIz showing up in on the screen (when it should say PLIIx) is a known bug, and is on the list to be fixed."Much appreciated david ; ''all stereo mode'' is something to get used too as well until this dsp nomenclature is fixed everything will be bitstreamed to avoid it ;D
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 31, 2013 7:46:58 GMT -5
"The PLIIz showing up in on the screen (when it should say PLIIx) is a known bug, and is on the list to be fixed." Have you noticed that it selects "Direct" as the mode of choice for a Dolby Digital stream? Common sense would tell me that NO device using built in room correction would choose a mode (as a default) that would purposely bypass the EQs that create the ARC curve. Now, my EQ adjustments are so modest that by the time I switch modes (and an audio lock is re-acquired) I can't tell if there is a difference or not, so maybe this is a "display bug" as well. I'm sure there are several "known bugs" that are on that list to be fixed. I've encountered (and reported) a few of my own. Thankfully, none (as far as I can tell) that are serious enough to detract from the "usability" or my enjoyment of the product...
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Post by avaddikt on Jan 31, 2013 11:24:46 GMT -5
A more 'complete' manual may be on the back burner. For me, just a clean up would be fine along with any firmware changes. Overall it is a fine component, but it is folks like us who would choose the UMC over a conventional receiver who tend to generate more questions over what is actually happening. I guess it's just in our DNA. Even if Emotiva put together a 'paper' or online guide that explains various functions and how they interact, would be helpful. Additional resources to what they already have. Similar to how Bluejeanscables has online articles about 'cables' and their properties. Just a suggestion.
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Post by garym on Jan 31, 2013 12:37:42 GMT -5
The full manual for my Denon receiver was online only. They included a brief, "quickie" printed setup guide with the product.
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Post by avaddikt on Jan 31, 2013 13:46:43 GMT -5
The full manual for my Denon receiver was online only. They included a brief, "quickie" printed setup guide with the product. Same as my previous Onkyo. They wanted 30 bucks for a printed full manual. Strange thing, after doing some web searches I found a free download for an Onkyo repair manual which included exploded drawings, schematics and a full parts list.
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Post by malibujeff on Feb 3, 2013 16:29:58 GMT -5
A more 'complete' manual may be on the back burner. For me, just a clean up would be fine along with any firmware changes. Overall it is a fine component, but it is folks like us who would choose the UMC over a conventional receiver who tend to generate more questions over what is actually happening. I guess it's just in our DNA. Even if Emotiva put together a 'paper' or online guide that explains various functions and how they interact, would be helpful. Additional resources to what they already have. Similar to how Bluejeanscables has online articles about 'cables' and their properties. Just a suggestion. I would also like to see a little more detail than what is included in the manual. I think this thread shows it is needed. I'm just learning with my UMC 200 so it is tough follow some of this.
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