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Post by 2muchht on May 29, 2013 18:23:18 GMT -5
One has to wonder if there is any sort of formalized project management system at all. It doesn't have to be complex; something like Microsoft Project is fine. If there was any sort of measurement of progress against the various timeline benchmarks, or ANY sort of phase-gate process they would know exactly where they are and be able to guide themselves accordingly when it comes to public progress reports.
Everyone here stipulates that waiting for the product to be "right" is a good thing. No one wants it to be shipped before it is ready. No argument or disagreement there.
On the other hand, once you open the door you can't shut it. Many here are correct to point out that is Emo, after all, who gave us the (multiple) "...we'll be shipping around..." dates. To go from that to the current silences is, others have also said, trying to have your cake and eat it too. You can't be like the Menendez brothers and ask for mercy because you are an orphan when you killed your parents. OK, that's a bit extreme, but it is what is going on here. Think of the celebrity that hires PR guys to promote themselves and misses no opportunity to be in the public eye but then hires another PR firm to "...respect our privacy as we have no comment..." when there is some crisis. You really can't have it both ways and it is disappointing to see Emo go dark on the current concerns over the XMC ship date and all the problems on the UMC loader.
It's really easy. Be open about the progress. No need to promise anything -- probably better if they don't. But something is needed more than glib talk. Let's have some information, please.
Thankfully their products are better than their ability to manage their communications with current and prospective customers.
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Post by loupy31 on May 29, 2013 18:57:24 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, I to am not happy with the lack of info on the XMC-1.... Personally, I think there must be a major Problem that is stopping the production on the unit, Be it hardware or software, I feel if it was a minor problem, Emo would have mentioned something by now.........I am very disappointed with Emo, Especially the comment "if you cant wait, buy something else" That is a huge slap in the face for all the people waiting for this unit. Emo are being very harsh in the treatment of the people who are loyal customers.
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Post by klinemj on May 29, 2013 19:38:05 GMT -5
It has taken all I can to withhold posting in this thread...but I can't hold back any more. I must say...oh good lord...if some of us think they are so smart in how to run a company and think we can do better than Emotiva at it....well, go into the A/V business and show us how it's done better than they do. I will be a loyal customer...
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Post by Gary Cook on May 29, 2013 19:43:41 GMT -5
I followed Dan's very good advice "if you can't wait, buy something else", I bought a UMC-200 ;D
Cheers Gary
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Post by eddieg07410 on May 29, 2013 20:14:56 GMT -5
Actually, you makean intriguing point. But the problem is to decide on an alternative. I don't have 2 grand to spend on a processor. All the video bells and whistles are not nearly as important to me and sttraight audio quality. Frankly i am just as happy with DTS and Ac3 and prologic. I don't need to create a movie theater experience, but I want the purist sound possible. I was even thinking in getting an older mcintosh. Any thoughts? The upgrade from the umc-1 to the umc-200 doesn't seem worth it just for the cponvenience it offers.
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Post by LCSeminole on May 29, 2013 20:21:10 GMT -5
I followed Dan's very good advice "if you can't wait, buy something else", I bought a UMC-200 ;D Cheers Gary ...........and in my humble opinion, and yes it's just my own opinion, it was very good advise.
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Post by klinemj on May 29, 2013 20:24:27 GMT -5
Eddideg...no advice here..I find the UMC-1 to be all I really need for now. Now, as for what I want...different story. But my wants are not enough superior to warrant a big price jump.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 20:37:11 GMT -5
Eddieg07410 just get a Mcintosh. I got tired of waiting also. I was going to get the UMC-200 but after all the update issues, I went with the Marantz AV8801 but I just returned it for a Mcintosh MX121 so it can match my Mcintosh MC303 and MC205 amps. They look and sound great. I still have a XPR-5 and XPR-2, I'll put those in my bedroom. I just got tired of waiting and no updates.
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Post by bootman on May 29, 2013 21:14:07 GMT -5
Eddieg07410 just get a Mcintosh. I got tired of waiting also. I was going to get the UMC-200 but after all the update issues, I went with the Marantz AV8801 but I just returned it for a Mcintosh MX121 so it can match my Mcintosh MC303 and MC205 amps. They look and sound great. I still have a XPR-5 and XPR-2, I'll put those in my bedroom. I just got tired of waiting and no updates. Isn't the MX121 basically a reworked AV7005? After all McIntosh is now owned by D&M. Still you are now happy it matches and that is what matters to you the most. ;D
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Post by eddieg07410 on May 29, 2013 21:14:41 GMT -5
Any downsides do you find with the Mcintosh.? How is the dac. That is important to me, as I am looking to use my NAD cd player as a transport. Also, can you give me some idea as to what you paid?
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Post by eddieg07410 on May 29, 2013 21:24:41 GMT -5
Just researched the price. That is way out of my price range. I was thinking of a used Mac like the 132 cor 134.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 22:09:33 GMT -5
Eddieg, yeah they're pricey. My bro works for Magnolia Design Center so I got a REALLY GOOD price. You can never go wrong with Mcintosh (new or used) the MX121 and AV7005 are not the same. Other than audio performance, aesthetics are the next important thing for me so that's why I went with Macintosh processor and amps. Emotiva doesn't make a processor to match my XPR-2 and XPR-5. I'm sure 5+ years from now, Emotiva will come out with a processor to match there XPR amps. Maybe I'll give the UMC-200 a try so I can hook it up to my XPR amps because they're just sitting there lonely. $600 is not bad but we'll see what I decide. I took Big Dan's advice and moved on.
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Post by RightinLA on May 29, 2013 23:35:51 GMT -5
Just researched the price. That is way out of my price range. I was thinking of a used Mac like the 132 cor 134. I have the McIntosh MX130 and MX134 preamps and I use them mainly for two channel. The MX134 includes a DAC. They work well with the Emotiva amps.
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Post by ÈlTwo on May 30, 2013 7:37:55 GMT -5
Eddideg...no advice here..I find the UMC-1 to be all I really need for now. Now, as for what I want...different story. But my wants are not enough superior to warrant a big price jump. Mark I'm in the same boat as Mark, and my wants only warrant a price jump up to the XMC-1.
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Post by deewan on May 30, 2013 8:07:16 GMT -5
Eddieg07410 just get a Mcintosh. I got tired of waiting also. I was going to get the UMC-200 but after all the update issues, I went with the Marantz AV8801 but I just returned it for a Mcintosh MX121 so it can match my Mcintosh MC303 and MC205 amps. They look and sound great. I still have a XPR-5 and XPR-2, I'll put those in my bedroom. I just got tired of waiting and no updates. I think this is great. I look at this as "You had a need. Emotiva currently doesn't have a product that meets your needs. So you bought another brand that would fulfill your requirements." That is great and I think that is what Big Dan means when he says, if you can't wait, but something else. Big Dan love A/V, so I doubt he wants to deny any of us our nirvana. If you have a scratch, scratch it. Sure Big Dan would love for it to be a Emotiva or Sherborn product, but if you need something they don't supply, Big Dan would rather you buy something that meets your needs that try to shoehorn a Emo product into your system or wait. Congrats on the new purchase. I've always love Mcintosh gear.
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Post by geebo on May 30, 2013 8:43:32 GMT -5
Eddideg...no advice here..I find the UMC-1 to be all I really need for now. Now, as for what I want...different story. But my wants are not enough superior to warrant a big price jump. Mark I'm in the same boat as Mark, and my wants only warrant a price jump up to the XMC-1. My sentiments as well. My UMC works well and I'll upgrade to an XMC or UMC-500 when available. Until then, I'm okay.
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Post by dallas27 on Jun 1, 2013 17:20:07 GMT -5
I have been hearing about this XMC-1 since 2008. More than 5 years later it is still vaporware promise. It's always been about a year out, and as a owner of an Emotiva processor and amp, it's turned me off to future purchase. Think I'm kidding about the 2008 thing? Just check this discussion on AVS, find for XMC-1, notice the date stamps. www.avsforum.com/t/1008031/latest-gen-hdmi-audio-pre-pro-worth-the-jumpComing Soon: XMC-17.2 Channel Preamplifier/Processor The promise, fulfilled.
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Post by bradleyaudio on Jun 1, 2013 23:58:59 GMT -5
Since I really need the XMC-1's flexible bass management, waiting is about the only option I have, unless I want to go from my Marantz AV-8003 to the new Marantz AV-8801 at $3500 list.
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Post by srrndhound on Jun 2, 2013 2:00:06 GMT -5
Since I really need the XMC-1's flexible bass management, waiting is about the only option I have, unless I want to go from my Marantz AV-8003 to the new Marantz AV-8801 at $3500 list. Just curious. What will the XMC bass management do for you that the UMC-200 cannot? Thanks.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 2, 2013 2:29:29 GMT -5
Since I really need the XMC-1's flexible bass management, waiting is about the only option I have, unless I want to go from my Marantz AV-8003 to the new Marantz AV-8801 at $3500 list. Just curious. What will the XMC bass management do for you that the UMC-200 cannot? Thanks. Well one thing the XMC can do is EQ 2 subs independently (7.2 vs 7.1)
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