klinemj
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Post by klinemj on Sept 3, 2013 10:42:54 GMT -5
Agree with Ricky - but I will say that I would expect a couple things: better sound from the analog end and better sound due to effects of DIRAC correcting the room for starters. I can't prove that it will have either - but I am expecting it based on what I have seen about it.
In addition to sound, it's got some great features: First, that front screen is really amazing...large and clear and with about every piece of info you would want about what's being played. Then, once it is launched, being able to control from a smart phone/tablet will also be nice - but the current plan is that apps would be available after launch...ditto on streaming from within your network.
Mark
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Post by javiersc on Sept 3, 2013 12:29:37 GMT -5
Hi everybody !
It is clear to me that we use the internet to escape our daily issues.... by creating others on the internet.
I bought the UMC1 and had a lot of issues. I am from Spain, called them and help me all the way until it is just what I was expecting.
I bought amps, just perfect.
I bought Emotiva Pro and I had a lot of issues as well, but Emotiva helped as well.
To be honest is 2 out of 3, which makes me wonder why I have recently applied to buy the XMC.
If I were to talk to my WAT about this she would say that I am crazy (or worst) but the thing is that although I had a lot of issues a person helped me to solve them and although I lost money I want to buy the XMC because if there is an issue they will fix it.
This being said I understand why the people may complain and the product has doubled its Price. I would say that the correct thing to do would have been to rename the product as this product has nothing to do with the product that was announced a couple of years ago..
Greetings from Spain
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Post by cwt on Sept 3, 2013 12:38:09 GMT -5
I can rationalize the extra outlets for height speakers etc but the xmc1 is already chock full of inputs so maybe some rare ones like i2s serial bus you find on some external dacs [ building even more flexibility on the low jitter asrc design of the xmc1 ? ] Any other thoughts on inputs needed ? Hdbasenet feasible or even needed ? Odds are good I think that the 2nd hdmi out will make an appearance in conjunction with hdmi2.0 after ratification shortly and chipset manufacture starts - to kill 2 birds at once Nice to see the umc500 get the family ti chipset ;lay odds the money saved will be the balanced 2ch in ; smaller chassis = less inputs but that's easy enough to predict I imagine
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Post by neo20013 on Sept 3, 2013 12:51:49 GMT -5
It would be interesting if by Feb 2014 the Emotiva European Branch would be a reality, it would be much simpler for European customers Greetings from Portugal !
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Post by TKO on Sept 3, 2013 12:59:57 GMT -5
It would be interesting if by Feb 2014 the Emotiva European Branch would be a reality, it would be much simpler for European customers Greetings from Portugal ! Hope that works for you. From the great white north I would love for them to hook up a deal with a Canadian distributor like Oppo has done. No duties and excessive shipping charges. That would be fantastic for us Canucks and would greatly simplify purchasing and returns (hopefully never necessary). Cheers.
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Post by neo20013 on Sept 3, 2013 13:13:27 GMT -5
Something like SVS,Cary Audio, ATI, KK, etc have done, as there is an European distributor, and even with the prices being almost 1€=1$, its much cheaper than importing from the EUA. Ups, sorry for the off-topic
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Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 3, 2013 14:54:43 GMT -5
Well said Gerald/tchaik...it's a bargain. My ONLY debate is will I take "this" bargain or the "next" one (aka, an RMC-1 or whatever they call it...). Mark My position is obvious, just look at my sig below... It's reasonable to assume that the numbers regarding the XMC-1 didn't add up to a $1,500 list price anymore. The investment over the years must be enormous. This with zero items sold. Okay, it's not the fault of the public, but that doesn't really matter. The business must be profitable or it will not last. I am working as a calculator in a construction company lately. Believe me, it's tough to prevail and win orders. Be cheapest and still make profit, it's a thin line and an ongoing learning curve! If/when the XMC-1 is finally available, a smart move IMO would be to share the platform with other (niche) brands. Parasound doesn't have a processor in the line-up, only a 7-channel pre-amp. Just saying... That's a brand with good products. They should jump at the opportunity and have no problem adding a nice premium for a signature Halo faceplate. A win-win situation. It would boost Emotiva's credibility on the High Street too. I am in the market (but in no hurry) to spend between 3,000 (would be sweet) and 5,000 (auch!) on a "ultimate" pre-pro. I believe the Marantz AV8801 (MSRP $3,600) isn't it, nore will the Onkyo PR-SC5510 (wasn't that promised months ago?). The now retired Denon AVP comes to mind. And a few others, most cost well over 5K. Think Classé, Bryston, Krell... Hence I have the option to get one of those, used. Or rather wait for the RMC-1! Really no contest. I want my aR-eM-Cee-wan!
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Post by soundofrockets on Sept 3, 2013 15:16:37 GMT -5
i will be interested in the RMC as well. for me the XMC shipped sailed long time ago and now with the price increase - its all over. bring on the RMC1.0.
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 3, 2013 16:44:32 GMT -5
i will be interested in the RMC as well. for me the XMC shipped sailed long time ago and now with the price increase - its all over. bring on the RMC1.0. You do know that the RMC will likely be 30% to 50% (my guess) more expensive than the XMC-1, right? If the XMC-1 is too rich for your blood, the RMC isn't going to be your panacea.
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Post by soundofrockets on Sept 3, 2013 18:24:31 GMT -5
You do know that the RMC will likely be 30% to 50% (my guess) more expensive than the XMC-1, right? If the XMC-1 is too rich for your blood, the RMC isn't going to be your panaceathanks for gently reminding me about the RMC cost !
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Post by autocrat on Sept 3, 2013 18:39:10 GMT -5
If/when the XMC-1 is finally available, a smart move IMO would be to share the platform with other (niche) brands. Parasound doesn't have a processor in the line-up, only a 7-channel pre-amp. Just saying... That's a brand with good products. They should jump at the opportunity and have no problem adding a nice premium for a signature Halo faceplate. A win-win situation. It would boost Emotiva's credibility on the High Street too. Maybe they could talk to Lexicon, who took a complete Oppo BPD-83, stuck it in a prefab Lexicon chassis and multiplied the price by seven.
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Post by PGT on Sept 3, 2013 18:50:26 GMT -5
If/when the XMC-1 is finally available, a smart move IMO would be to share the platform with other (niche) brands. Parasound doesn't have a processor in the line-up, only a 7-channel pre-amp. Just saying... That's a brand with good products. They should jump at the opportunity and have no problem adding a nice premium for a signature Halo faceplate. A win-win situation. It would boost Emotiva's credibility on the High Street too. Maybe they could talk to Lexicon, who took a complete Oppo BPD-83, stuck it in a prefab Lexicon chassis and multiplied the price by seven. for real?
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Post by geebo on Sept 3, 2013 19:02:56 GMT -5
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Post by dac0964 on Sept 3, 2013 19:12:50 GMT -5
so this is something truly new to add? tchaik........ Sorry. You went to emofest? You re so awesome. Better? I'm not sure what you expected or why you felt the need to not be respectful. If you just want people to agree with you, what's the point of posting? Unlike some, I (thought) I gave a rational take on the other point of view. But fanboys will be fanboys. Anything other than blind allegiance will appatently not be tolerated. It's fine, its your money. But he did ask only for positive posts on this thread. There are other threads where all dissatisfied with the price increase are venting or can vent. You could have just used one of them.
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Post by emovac on Sept 3, 2013 19:26:59 GMT -5
the new CX-A5000 covers down. Its available now and its $3K. Edit - $2500 on Amazon (an authorized dealer). Speaking of Yamaha, I have been eyeballing the new RX-A1030 for a while now. www.crutchfield.com/p_022RXA1030/Yamaha-RX-A1030.htmlExcellent connectivity (minus XLR though), and a decent price point at $1099.99. Doesn't look too bad IMO, and from what I have read, the Aventage series is supposedly a nice step up in SQ from the RX-V series. To be 100% truthful here, I have been staying out of the "XMC-1 price fight" for the simple fact that I do not want to give up legacy analog video. From looking around Yamaha and Denon seem to be the only major players that include a full suite of legacy video inputs with HDMI switching/scaling. Yamaha seems to do it for less cost than Denon, however. I am GUESSING it is partly due to Denon's licensing fees for Audyssey XT32. While I would really like to see XLR outputs on the Yamaha, it doesn't seriously matter in the long run as only my XPA-1 are truly balanced, and I have the XSP-1 for those. Anyway, just tossing out that option for those looking for a lower cost alternative. Is the new Yamaha pre-pro made in Japan or Malaysia? I have a RX-A 3010 AVR, and it's a very functional device.
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Post by chaosrv on Sept 3, 2013 19:41:39 GMT -5
That always has been and always will be one of my favorite home theatre horror stories.
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Post by coldfusion on Sept 3, 2013 20:40:26 GMT -5
So OP was asking for debate on other products on the market and value? That's not how I read it, but apologize if that's what he intended. Clearly "bargain" is going to mean different things to different people. I'm not sure that question can be answered. Both the denon 4520 and yamaha 3020 kill the XMC on features. 3 hdmi outs vs 1. 11.2 or 9.2 processing vs 7.2. Built in amps vs no amps (well this could be a downside). Network streaming. Mobile apps. Way more connection options. Oh, and they're actually available. At the same price as the XMC (without the discount cards). The only strikes in the XMC column are XLR outs. Maybe sound quality and maybe Dirac. No one can say for sure because no one has heard them outside a controlled Emo demo room. Or had a chance to A/B them with said products. Am I missing any strikes in the XMC column? the new CX-A5000 covers down. Its available now and its $3K. Edit - $2500 on Amazon (an authorized dealer). Wow. And you can get that for $2k from sellers with 99%+ feedback. Granted, unauthorized, but still. At $2k no comparison. But you won't be able to get the Yammy for 1199, no way no how. But AirPlay, 11 channels all active, DLNA, legacy video, dual hdmi out, and more connections it looks like a winner. I'd love to A/B it. My UMC-1 sounds better than my rx-v2500, but its also 6 years newer. But it's also WAY buggier and a major PITA at times. It'll be interesting to see the landscape in February. Hdmi 2.0 devices should start coming out by then...
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Post by PGT on Sept 3, 2013 20:43:44 GMT -5
that illustrates my earlier point about the "big leagues". As current owners can attest, the SQ is where Emo shines, not the UI.
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Post by db029936 on Sept 3, 2013 21:07:42 GMT -5
Well,gave this processor until Sept 1st weekend of emofest. Too late. I ugraded to the Marantz AV8801 which I believe it'll be of better sound quality and much better in features. For instance, with so many people using overhead projectors and flat panels, why would they have only one HDMI output? 24 bit instead of 32? And not even a simple circuit for upscaling older video source components. At least they have a release date, or do they? Been there many times before. Sorry Emotiva,too little, too late.
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Post by coldfusion on Sept 3, 2013 21:14:42 GMT -5
Well,gave this processor until Sept 1st weekend of emofest. Too late. I ugraded to the Marantz AV8801 which I believe it'll be of better sound quality and much better in features. For instance, with so many people using overhead projectors and flat panels, why would they have only one HDMI output? 24 bit instead of 32? And not even a simple circuit for upscaling older video source components. At least they have a release date, or do they? Been there many times before. Sorry Emotiva,too little, too late. Nice unit. Talk about kitchen sink...it even includes a 4 port network switch. Genius.
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