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Post by chaosrv on Jan 30, 2014 11:17:15 GMT -5
2 weeks?!? thats IF its the first of march...which was never said...and then he said abnother 6-8 weeks!! for those on the preorder list...that means to me June 1st! people are truly blinded by the emo blue lights Are you kidding or not about being blinded by the blue lights? Did you really expect them to be fulfilling ALL the orders on Feb 14? With all the outrage over HDMI 2.0, surprised that people don't want to wait. *EDIT - Changed pre-order to reservation as no one has actually given money to Emotiva yet.* Agreed, not once did they promise enough stock to fulfill every reservation AND availability to those that did not previously reserve a spot. They only said it would start shipping. Look at Microsoft or Sony with their consoles. They were in rare supply when first released if you didn't pre-order. It was several weeks until anyone could walk into a store in the afternoon or evening and pick one up without issue. Heck, they didn't even ship with their full feature sets in place - they are still delivering the software updates to address what was originally promised at their big unveiling events. The same thing happens with new cars. They are often delayed or specced down from the original concepts. The hot models tend to come out in limited supply at first which allows the dealers to charge HUUUUGE mark-ups until the manufacturer can ramp up supply. And that is 6-8 weeks to finish the reservation list. I don't think Dan meant they would ship a few in March then stop completely, wait 6-8 weeks then release the rest of the reserved units. Depending on where you are on the list, you could get it much sooner. To me, selling a 40% off card now because of another short(ish) delay for improved feature set & longevity is short-sighted knee jerk reaction, If the XMC-1 turns out to be as good as it appears it will (I have not heard it) those cards are going to go up in price by quite a bit. As for the blinding blue lights, I have not seen a new Emotiva product in quite some time that did not allow the lights to be dimmed.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 30, 2014 11:17:25 GMT -5
I see zero point in having any analog inputs with perhaps a set of stereo balanced inputs for outbound DAC but if you have that highend a DAC that the XMC-1 is a concern as a preamp one would think you'd have an analog preamp hopefully with HT bypass. A bank of routed single ended inputs is a total waste of design time and PCB space IMHO better dedicated to a decent DAC and line driver. All you need is HDMI and SP/DIF and I prob wouldn't even bother with TOS/link if I was king. PS oh right the turntable head market... duh! OK one set of single ended and one balanced THAT'S IT!!! Wow, you and I are just on different planets. Every discussion we seem to have is that way. We can't even agree on colors. And on this topic (the part I've listed above), I can't disagree with you more. Night and day. You ought not say "all you need". You should say "all I need", as in "all solidstate needs." You can't possibly be telling me what I need, Bonzo, because what you need and what I need are obviously 2 totally different things. In my dream world I want all of both, digital and analog. That's the best. Limiting one or the other sucks. Why would you "want" that? People talk about how to use the available back panel space, but then why is this XMC-1 only a U3 (3 high) as Emotiva describes their heights? Why did they not pick up more room and make it a U4 (4 high)? That's a no brainer to me. Personally for me, I have to ask who the frack needs EIGHT HDMI inputs? Please list me a system that would need that many, because I'm curious. Really, I just can't come up with it. Unless you are a gamer with every kind of game system in the world, how do you use up 8 HDMI inputs? Analog inputs are an absolute MUST. The more the better. 8 HDMI inputs is not. 6 is over doing it as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand, 6 analog inputs is minimum for me. Back to the topic.....to allI have not been around long enough to have been waiting for this unit for 6 years, so I can't relate to that pain. But waiting that long is a long time, so, I can understand your frustration. I can also understand the people saying the extra wait is worth it, because I think the benefits are worth it, and I would want the unit to be as perfect as it can be. I can understand the bashing a bit because Emotiva did set a firm date this time, which makes me wonder if they did that just to keep people hanging on since last summer. I can understand the people keeping the faith because this unit promises to be something truly special. I can understand the people losing faith because of all the ups and downs and rights and lefts and starts and stops and this version and that version along the way; as in when will it ever end. I get frustrated at both camps because off the wall bashing is unwarranted, but I also can't take the rose colored fairy tail bliss people who just can't take any reality, as if everything that's not "rah rah shish boom ba, go team!" is negative. The fact is clear to me that making a unit such as this, with a small mom & pop shop such as Emotiva, and have it do all it does and work flawlessly, is a real *bleep*. A royal pain in the "keester." I relate it to a small car company trying to get started on a new car. There are way more failures in the record books than success stories. The demands of such a project are seemingly endless, especially with today's technologies and logistics. This isn't 1955. I'm sure that unless you've gone through something like this yourself there is no way in the world you can imagine all the hurdles to cross. I was a Project Manager for 11 years, and I've been more an engineer the last 7 years, and I know I can't. I give Emotiva a ton of credit for taking it all on. Has it been perfect along the way? Nope. But do I think they are doing the best they can? Yep. Do I think they are attempting to make this the best processor ever made? Yep. Will it have some things in spades and lack others people want? Definitely. Will it have operational flaws? Most likely. Will Emotiva do their best to correct those glitches? I believe they will. In the end will this this rock? I'm optimistic and exited that it will. I sincerely hope this unit kicks *bleep*, and goes way beyond peoples expectations. I think the light is shining at the end of the tunnel. But I'd like to suggest that folks don't be surprised or freak out by more hick ups along the way, even after being out of the tunnel, because they are sure to come in one fashion or another. Deal with it in your own way or fashion as you feel so inclined. I myself am just trying to keep in mind that it's certainly not life or death, nor is a reason to dislike Emotiva because they gave building a new 250 mph super car a shot. Cheers ---- Bonzo
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Post by Jim on Jan 30, 2014 11:19:33 GMT -5
Are you kidding or not about being blinded by the blue lights? Did you really expect them to be fulfilling ALL the orders on Feb 14? With all the outrage over HDMI 2.0, surprised that people don't want to wait. No Im serious...I have never seen so many apologist in one place. Its as if Emotiva can do no wrong on these boards...and if anyone speaks that they are unhappy, everyone plays the oh im such a nice and understanding guy, maybe you should too. no i didn't think they would get all pre orders out by feb 14th but that is a NORMAL production delay of supply and demand (even though its actually still unacceptable since they KNOW how many people are on that list and should have a production order to fulfill) its not about waiting in general...its the principal of constantly over and over pushing back the date...I cant believe people cant see this as an issue...(and I have only been waiting since last January) I'd hardly consider myself an apologist...... I just can't understand some people that are as upset as they are. I don't think that Emotiva is perfect, nor any other company. Is the delay annoying for some people? Sure? I just don't get the attacks and throwing stones. It's not going to speed anything up. It's back to the old price increase rage. What do you want, an apology from Dan? "Sorry guys, we're adding features you've asked for and you'll have to wait a couple more weeks". Threads like this get personal quickly, and end up beating on Dan and Lonnie. I just don't understand how that's acceptable behavior. It sure is easy to do behind a screen though.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 30, 2014 11:23:12 GMT -5
The XMC-1 could be technically perfect, and somebody will still be saying "the lights are too bright, it has too many, I don't like the script writing on the front...... Why doesn't it come in purple?" Yep. Already am.
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Post by Lsc on Jan 30, 2014 11:25:25 GMT -5
What can you possibly get for $1200 that's even remotely close to the XMC-1? We both know Big Dan's got you by the b@lls . The 7020C4 I have works fine...the money would be spent on a gun I want if/when it comes back in stock (44magnum level action). Disposable income is like that... - Sometimes the terseness of my reply can't be blamed on my phone. I agree. My buddy bought that from eBay via Jade Designs and it works just fine. I also said with my UMC200 calibrated with REW, I don't need a new pre-pro. But I did inform the bank (aka my wife) that I'm getting the XMC-1 in March and probably selling the UMC-200 and XDA-2.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 30, 2014 11:26:42 GMT -5
As for the blinding blue lights, I have not seen a new Emotiva product in quite some time that did not allow the lights to be dimmed. "Quite some time" as in what, 6 months to a year, tops. Or say, maybe, brand new gen 2 XPA amps that still don't have that feature for the power button?
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Post by bootman on Jan 30, 2014 11:27:13 GMT -5
So what are you buying instead? Oh that right, you are not getting this anyway. I'm not right away either so I'm not affected (like you) either way but you don't see me bitching about dates like it's costing ME $$$. You just like to stir the pot. You are right, I am not currently planning to buy the XMC-1 as I want legacy video inputs. However, they are dyding quickly across the board. At the end of the day, the XMC-1 might win me over by way of dual HDMI outputs and Dirac. Time will tell. Sure, I may have been stirring the pot a bit, but I feel that some of the tone used when discussing the XMC-1 is like they are suffering serious hardship while waiting. I just cannot imagine that is really the case for anyone waiting with cash in hand to purchase this piece. So you are teklock? And actually I meant to quote copene so my apologies to teklock. You are not also copene are you? And I don't consider any longtime contributor like yourself who disagrees with any Emotiva a pot stirrer. I'm one of them myself! Example: I want to see the XMC manual and I'll bet it will be relatively light for such a complex product if past manuals are any indication. Is that pot stirring or constructive criticism? There is a big difference and it is easy to tell. I'm not being a a-hole when I post something. Note; not talking about you directly BTW but the a-holes know who they are.
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Post by chaosrv on Jan 30, 2014 11:31:31 GMT -5
As for the blinding blue lights, I have not seen a new Emotiva product in quite some time that did not allow the lights to be dimmed. "Quite some time" as in what, 6 months to a year, tops. Or say, maybe, brand new gen 2 XPA amps that still don't have that feature for the power button? My XSP-1 dims, my XDA-2 dims, my DC-1 dims. My XPA-1L's do not dim but you can turn off the lights. I honestly don't remember if my XPA-2 (gen 1) can /turn the lights off or not but I believe it can (but I could be wrong about that) Not perfect, I grant you but it does the trick. For me, at least.
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Post by bootman on Jan 30, 2014 11:34:19 GMT -5
Personally for me, I have to ask who the frack needs EIGHT HDMI inputs? Please list me a system that would need that many, because I'm curious. Really, I just can't come up with it. Unless you are a gamer with every kind of game system in the world, how do you use up 8 HDMI inputs? In my system I have the following: Sony DVD changer - hdmi Panasonic bluray - hdmi Tivo - hdmi Xbox 360- hdmi Chromcast - hdmi Mac mini - hdmi newest purchase Xbox one - hdmi That is seven for me and I think I'm not that unusual. Could I consolidate some devices? Sure but why should I? My AVR had enough (8) HDMI inputs.
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Post by Jim on Jan 30, 2014 11:35:27 GMT -5
"Quite some time" as in what, 6 months to a year, tops. Or say, maybe, brand new gen 2 XPA amps that still don't have that feature for the power button? My XSP-1 dims, my XDA-2 dims, my DC-1 dims. My XPA-1L's do not dim but you can turn off the lights. I honestly don't remember if my XPA-2 (gen 1) can /turn the lights off or not but I believe it can (but I could be wrong about that) Not perfect, I grant you but it does the trick. For me, at least. I don't think any of XPA/UPA amps are dimmable. The XPRs are.
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 30, 2014 11:39:47 GMT -5
What do you want, an apology from Dan? "Sorry guys, we're adding features you've asked for and you'll have to wait a couple more weeks". What I like when watching some Korean dramas is when one of the characters does something wrong and he goes to apologize for his mistake. He says, "Please kill me," then he bows down so the guy can cut off his head. But normally the head remains in place. Maybe what Dan needs to do is post an apology like, "The XMC-1 is not going to be released on February 14. Please kill me."
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 30, 2014 11:40:13 GMT -5
My XSP-1 dims, my XDA-2 dims, my DC-1 dims. My XPA-1L's do not dim but you can turn off the lights. I honestly don't remember if my XPA-2 (gen 1) can /turn the lights off or not but I believe it can (but I could be wrong about that) Not perfect, I grant you but it does the trick. For me, at least. I don't think any of XPA/UPA amps are dimmable. The XPRs are. Exactly. And I truly believe all the newer equipment put out in the last year is dimmable/defeatable because of us complaining about it. For me, Emotiva dropped the ball by not putting it on Gen 2 amps.
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Post by bobcel on Jan 30, 2014 11:41:28 GMT -5
So irregardless of all the + and - posts, anyone receive the conformation e-mail yet? I am, hopefully, expecting it today. Original list many, many moons ago, yet I am still filled with positive expectations...a few weeks longer in the big picture, no problem. Emotiva has always been up front and honest about their product. There will always be consumers with issues and any questions I have had have been answered and taken care of along the way by a simple phone call. (That my friends can be a painful process with many companies) They stand by what they sell and I for one have faith that this will be a truly remarkable processor. OK gotta go check my email......
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Post by pop on Jan 30, 2014 11:43:03 GMT -5
I think it is behind target and the upgrades were basically a "sales pitch" for the delay. However, everybody benefits from this. I am not one of the ones that has to have it now. I do understand the frustrations...Some of you have been waiting years and years.
Really at this point if Dan and the team release a less than perfect product the hate will swarm. Better suited for them to anger people waiting than loose credibility on their new baby. That's just my couple of pennies.
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Post by Jim on Jan 30, 2014 11:44:33 GMT -5
So irregardless of all the + and - posts, anyone receive the conformation e-mail yet? I am, hopefully, expecting it today. Original list many, many moons ago, yet I am still filled with positive expectations...a few weeks longer in the big picture, no problem. Emotiva has always been up front and honest about their product. There will always be consumers with issues and any questions I have had have been answered and taken care of along the way by a simple phone call. (That my friends can be a painful process with many companies) They stand by what they sell and I for one have faith that this will be a truly remarkable processor. OK gotta go check my email...... Hopefully that'll be today. I want a podcast, if only to occupy my brain for a few minutes. From Dan's announcement "For those of you on the pre-order list, we will be sending you formal notification via email tomorrow. We are also planning a podcast on January 30th."
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Post by paintedklown on Jan 30, 2014 11:53:27 GMT -5
You are right, I am not currently planning to buy the XMC-1 as I want legacy video inputs. However, they are dyding quickly across the board. At the end of the day, the XMC-1 might win me over by way of dual HDMI outputs and Dirac. Time will tell. Sure, I may have been stirring the pot a bit, but I feel that some of the tone used when discussing the XMC-1 is like they are suffering serious hardship while waiting. I just cannot imagine that is really the case for anyone waiting with cash in hand to purchase this piece. So you are teklock? And actually I meant to quote copene so my apologies to teklock. You are not also copene are you? And I don't consider any longtime contributor like yourself who disagrees with any Emotiva a pot stirrer. I'm one of them myself! Example: I want to see the XMC manual and I'll bet it will be relatively light for such a complex product if past manuals are any indication. Is that pot stirring or constructive criticism? There is a big difference and it is easy to tell. I'm not being a a-hole when I post something. Note; not talking about you directly BTW but the a-holes know who they are. HEHEHEHE! Sorry Bootman, I thougt you were talking to me. I agree, you weren't being a jerk about it either. I thought you were just teasing me a bit.
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Post by markusv2 on Jan 30, 2014 11:53:53 GMT -5
I hope their HDMI 2.0 implementation will also include HDCP 2.2 ... So we can enjoy even more HDMI related issues?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 11:55:03 GMT -5
I think it is behind target and the upgrades were basically a "sales pitch" for the delay. However, everybody benefits from this. I am not one of the ones that has to have it now. I do understand the frustrations...Some of you have been waiting years and years. Really at this point if Dan and the team release a less than perfect product the hate will swarm. Better suited for them to anger people waiting than loose credibility on their new baby. That's just my couple of pennies. first point +10000000000 you are so correct the hate SHOULD swarm the empire state building was built faster than this thing and that was in the early 1900's!! are they working full time on this thing? or is it a pet project?? again, no personal hate just super frustrated...I don't need it in fact it makes me love my denon x4000 even more...will i make a mistake by not buying one? probably not...its just the principal...and I think reading this board and all the people who are all about puppy dogs and ice cream...are aggravating me even more...but let this be known...if EMOTIVA Didn't announce a hard date of 2/14/14 I wouldnt care about yet another delay....if they didnt try to blow smoke and use upgrades as an excuse..I wouldnt care...I think it IS behind schedule and they KNEW people would be pissed so they REACTED by adding the upgrades to ease the blow of letting everyone know it was going to be another missed release date...the "announcement" makes it seem like they made the upgrades BEFORE hand and thus the delay...I call BS all that together pisses me off hence the rants online
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Post by ossif on Jan 30, 2014 11:55:33 GMT -5
I hope their HDMI 2.0 implementation will also include HDCP 2.2 ... It would be completely worthless without it.
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Post by Jim on Jan 30, 2014 11:57:58 GMT -5
I have some free beer here for the people that are real angry and need a cold one to relax! Although, given the cold weather that's swept through the country, maybe I should be offering some free hot chocolate.
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