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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 17, 2019 10:14:55 GMT -5
Thanks, boomzilla. Yes, the minute I posted my message, I started thinking about whether it’s time for new speakers. For the $600 price of the amps you're considering, there are a WIDE range of speakers that might well provide a greater improvement, overall. The ones that jump off the top of my head come from companies such as: Emotiva (T-1) ELACs (don't remember the models) Klipsch (RP-600m) and many others. Happy Shopping! Boom
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Post by brubacca on Mar 17, 2019 10:57:23 GMT -5
Boomzilla,
I have been following Schiit for awhile now. I can say without hesitation the I prefer MultiBit implementation of DACs (Not just Schiit). The thing that strikes me the most is that the couple of Multibit products that I have heard just make instruments sound real compared to DS Dacs. My point of referece bein the Naim CDX2 (Burr Brown Multibit DAC) and Schiit Gumby.
In what people are referring to as a first generation of product Gumby sounds a little laid back and Yggy was known to be a little more forward/aggressive. Then they released Yggy with upgraded Analog, which people are saying more closely resembles the character of original Gumby. (Still more detail). This was a full release and old Yggys could be sent home to upgraded to the new Analog Boards. Now people are talking about a newer Gumby version (Soft release, no info from Schiit) with serial numbers starting with 2. Reports are that this newer Gumby more resembles to characteristics of Yggy 1 again without the detail resolution of Yggy 1.
Confused? They are talking about this of the Schiit Happened thread. I can't remember what you disliked about Gumby or what version you had (Assuming v1), but if you disliked the sometimes laid back character you may be diappointed with a new Yggy.
None of this is really corroborated by Schiit except that there is an Analog 2 Upgrade for Yggy 1. They don't discuss these tonal characteristics.
We in the community are hoping for some kind of Analog 2 upgrade for Gumby, but one theory is that they may be waiting for the release of their new USB implementation and do both at the same time..... Jason was posting on other comments on the thread and just stayed away from the whole Yggy1/2, Gumby 1/2 debate. Literally like it wasn't there.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 17, 2019 12:27:03 GMT -5
Hi brubacca - I appreciate the info. No matter WHAT I end up with, I'll never hear the end of it from garbulky unless I at least TRY the Yggy. Thanks again for the feedback. Boomzilla
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 22, 2019 22:39:14 GMT -5
OUCH - I just paid my 2018 Federal Tax (over and above what I've paid on a quarterly basis), my 2018 State Tax (ditto), my first quarter 2019 Estimated Federal Tax, my first quarter 2019 Estimated State Tax, and my CPA's bill. The piggy bank is busted!
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Post by adaboy on Mar 22, 2019 23:03:17 GMT -5
OUCH - I just paid my 2018 Federal Tax (over and above what I've paid on a quarterly basis), my 2018 State Tax (ditto), my first quarter 2019 Estimated Federal Tax, my first quarter 2019 Estimated State Tax, and my CPA's bill. The piggy bank is busted!Noooooooo!!!! I live my audio habits through you Boom, now what am I supposed to do now that you aren't buying and replacing gear every week....
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 23, 2019 17:25:48 GMT -5
Well don't despair, adaboy - Currently in the mail to me for review are: The Audio Research DAC-9 The Audio Research VT80SE The JBL L100 Classic and the Mark Levinson 585.5 And who knows what the future holds? Boomzilla
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Post by IronPigsDigs on Mar 23, 2019 19:32:54 GMT -5
Well don't despair, adaboy - Currently in the mail to me for review are: The Audio Research DAC-9 The Audio Research VT80SE The JBL L100 Classic and the Mark Levinson 585.5 And who knows what the future holds? Boomzilla Looking forward to your take on those JBL's, Boom.
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Post by jcam2881 on Mar 23, 2019 20:44:37 GMT -5
Well don't despair, adaboy - Currently in the mail to me for review are: The Audio Research DAC-9 The Audio Research VT80SE The JBL L100 Classic and the Mark Levinson 585.5 And who knows what the future holds? Boomzilla Woah
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Post by Raven on Mar 23, 2019 21:50:06 GMT -5
Well don't despair, adaboy - Currently in the mail to me for review are: The Audio Research DAC-9 The Audio Research VT80SE The JBL L100 Classic and the Mark Levinson 585.5 And who knows what the future holds? Boomzilla Wow!!! I used to have Mark Levinson audio in my previous Lexus IS350. Unfortunately in my current Lexus IS350 I've got just Lexus audio I really miss that ML sound...
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 23, 2019 22:32:35 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to receiving and reviewing the gear too. The DAC has a vacuum tube output stage. ML electronics I haven't owned since the late 1970s, and am looking forward to hearing again. Back in the day, I owned the original JBL L100s and am eager to hear their "update." In the meantime, the Emotiva T2s came in, and I'm still doing the "speaker waltz" looking for the best compromise between bass clarity and imaging. When I get close enough, it'll be time to ask garbulky to come and polish the results. So even though I'm broke, I'm still looking up at the stars. Boom
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Post by jcam2881 on Mar 24, 2019 0:18:09 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to receiving and reviewing the gear too. The DAC has a vacuum tube output stage. ML electronics I haven't owned since the late 1970s, and am looking forward to hearing again. Back in the day, I owned the original JBL L100s and am eager to hear their "update." In the meantime, the Emotiva T2s came in, and I'm still doing the "speaker waltz" looking for the best compromise between bass clarity and imaging. When I get close enough, it'll be time to ask garbulky to come and polish the results. So even though I'm broke, I'm still looking up at the stars. Boom Looking forward to your posts . . . T2s get unboxed in. Few hours just back from vaca. I’ll have my initial thoughts tomorrow and I may do a little compare to the golden ear triton 7s..
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Post by jcam2881 on Mar 25, 2019 6:18:01 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to receiving and reviewing the gear too. The DAC has a vacuum tube output stage. ML electronics I haven't owned since the late 1970s, and am looking forward to hearing again. Back in the day, I owned the original JBL L100s and am eager to hear their "update." In the meantime, the Emotiva T2s came in, and I'm still doing the "speaker waltz" looking for the best compromise between bass clarity and imaging. When I get close enough, it'll be time to ask garbulky to come and polish the results. So even though I'm broke, I'm still looking up at the stars. Boom Looking forward to your posts . . . T2s get unboxed in. Few hours just back from vaca. I’ll have my initial thoughts tomorrow and I may do a little compare to the golden ear triton 7s.. Unboxed and initially setup. Had to run a few mic extensions to get audessey to setup. I have no good source of music hooked up yet so initially they sounded fairly good with no sources of music other than Pandora it’s not a great way to test them. I didn’t get to hook up the xpr-5 to them and my ears thought they were being held back a bit by the Marantz SR6013. No real punch going on but again source material limited. Now Apple TV - a few 4K movie clips played - Fury... woah . Woah! The entire theater lit up. Crisp sound from the center and fast mid range from the T2s. They blended pretty good with the UXL18s I have in modified mini marty boxes. Impressed with the soundstage for the movies so far. Since it was my birthday I spend a little time outside enjoying a nice 50 sunny day w dogs.. watched Jurassic parks the wife last eve and had a great movie experience w the 3 dogs , lively sound and great company. I’d like to take time to get my source material up and setup the xpr 5 then comment on the T2s. Hope your enjoying yours boom.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 25, 2019 8:39:03 GMT -5
Hi jcam2881 - I AM enjoying my T2s1 But one thing I'm finding is that if I move the speakers away from the back wall sufficiently to achieve the best imaging, the bass doesn't couple to the room as well. This may be a matter of "I just haven't found the right place for them yet" or it may be a matter of "they'd really do better with a subwoofer." If the former, then I just need to keep "speaker dancing" until I hit the best compromise spot. But if the latter, then there's a thorny dilemma to face... The speakers have a -3dB point of 35 Hz. But the "lack of bass" that I'm experiencing is at significantly higher frequencies. In the "best imaging" spot, it sounds as if everything below maybe 150 Hz. is not strong enough. Several things come to mind: 1. The speakers are brand new and may not have loosened up yet. Might they put out more bass in a week? 2. If the speakers are bass-light because of position (and I'm unwilling to move them for imaging reasons), might I need two (stereo) subs to fill in? 3. Could the bass shyness be cured with an upward click of a "bass tone control?" 4. If I do need a sub or subs, should I use the electronic crossover to roll off the T2s, or should I use the plate-amp crossover to roll the sub(s) in below the T2s? Rolling off the T2s with the electronic crossover DID make them sound more open when I was first writing my review of them... Much to consider.
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Post by jcam2881 on Mar 25, 2019 9:03:35 GMT -5
Hi jcam2881 - I AM enjoying my T2s1 But one thing I'm finding is that if I move the speakers away from the back wall sufficiently to achieve the best imaging, the bass doesn't couple to the room as well. This may be a matter of "I just haven't found the right place for them yet" or it may be a matter of "they'd really do better with a subwoofer." If the former, then I just need to keep "speaker dancing" until I hit the best compromise spot. But if the latter, then there's a thorny dilemma to face... The speakers have a -3dB point of 35 Hz. But the "lack of bass" that I'm experiencing is at significantly higher frequencies. In the "best imaging" spot, it sounds as if everything below maybe 150 Hz. is not strong enough. Several things come to mind: 1. The speakers are brand new and may not have loosened up yet. Might they put out more bass in a week? 2. If the speakers are bass-light because of position (and I'm unwilling to move them for imaging reasons), might I need two (stereo) subs to fill in? 3. Could the bass shyness be cured with an upward click of a "bass tone control?" 4. If I do need a sub or subs, should I use the electronic crossover to roll off the T2s, or should I use the plate-amp crossover to roll the sub(s) in below the T2s? Rolling off the T2s with the electronic crossover DID make them sound more open when I was first writing my review of them... Much to consider. Boom- thanks for this . My initial hmmm hit on similar threads you started here. - I ran both receivers in my theater and living room and played same content via control 4 (albeit pandora stream) ..one marantz in theater w T2s and one marantz running my triton7s . The 7s sounded warm and softer in mid base def been worked in . I didn’t get to mess around much w the T2s except to quickly realize I needed subs for music - I set cross to lfe + mains and ran audessey which has them set down to 40hz? I’ve got both subs playing via one channel now using a iNuke amp in my rack ( too cheap to buy the plate amp). Sounds good.. I’ll have time this week to setup the Mac mini and run Plex and get my music server all setup. That will be the start of my tests. I’d like to compare these to Triton 1.Rs but that will require a bit of convincing misses the need. Let me know how the sound improves on your end. As soon as I get the xpr hooked up I’ll let you know how it handles
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Post by jcam2881 on Mar 25, 2019 9:21:33 GMT -5
Hi jcam2881 - I AM enjoying my T2s1 But one thing I'm finding is that if I move the speakers away from the back wall sufficiently to achieve the best imaging, the bass doesn't couple to the room as well. This may be a matter of "I just haven't found the right place for them yet" or it may be a matter of "they'd really do better with a subwoofer." If the former, then I just need to keep "speaker dancing" until I hit the best compromise spot. But if the latter, then there's a thorny dilemma to face... The speakers have a -3dB point of 35 Hz. But the "lack of bass" that I'm experiencing is at significantly higher frequencies. In the "best imaging" spot, it sounds as if everything below maybe 150 Hz. is not strong enough. Several things come to mind: 1. The speakers are brand new and may not have loosened up yet. Might they put out more bass in a week? 2. If the speakers are bass-light because of position (and I'm unwilling to move them for imaging reasons), might I need two (stereo) subs to fill in? 3. Could the bass shyness be cured with an upward click of a "bass tone control?" 4. If I do need a sub or subs, should I use the electronic crossover to roll off the T2s, or should I use the plate-amp crossover to roll the sub(s) in below the T2s? Rolling off the T2s with the electronic crossover DID make them sound more open when I was first writing my review of them... Much to consider. Boom- thanks for this . My initial hmmm hit on similar threads you started here. - I ran both receivers in my theater and living room and played same content via control 4 (albeit pandora stream) ..one marantz in theater w T2s and one marantz running my triton7s . The 7s sounded warm and softer in mid base def been worked in . I didn’t get to mess around much w the T2s except to quickly realize I needed subs for music - I set cross to lfe + mains and ran audessey which has them set down to 40hz? I’ve got both subs playing via one channel now using a iNuke amp in my rack ( too cheap to buy the plate amp). Sounds good.. I’ll have time this week to setup the Mac mini and run Plex and get my music server all setup. That will be the start of my tests. I’d like to compare these to Triton 1.Rs but that will require a bit of convincing misses the need. Let me know how the sound improves on your end. As soon as I get the xpr hooked up I’ll let you know how it handles If I have the energy I may bring them up to my living room and a/b them to the T7s as the room is much better treated.. I’m curios enough but this may require a weekend and beer
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 25, 2019 12:03:54 GMT -5
The 40 Hz. crossover point on Audyssey is probably correct (not a glitch). After all, the -3dB down point for the T2 speakers is 35 Hz. That said, I'd maybe try higher crossover points just to see if they might sound better. They may - they may not... Depends on your room.
Good luck!
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Post by garbulky on Mar 25, 2019 15:16:29 GMT -5
Hi jcam2881 - I AM enjoying my T2s1 But one thing I'm finding is that if I move the speakers away from the back wall sufficiently to achieve the best imaging, the bass doesn't couple to the room as well. This may be a matter of "I just haven't found the right place for them yet" or it may be a matter of "they'd really do better with a subwoofer." If the former, then I just need to keep "speaker dancing" until I hit the best compromise spot. But if the latter, then there's a thorny dilemma to face... The speakers have a -3dB point of 35 Hz. But the "lack of bass" that I'm experiencing is at significantly higher frequencies. In the "best imaging" spot, it sounds as if everything below maybe 150 Hz. is not strong enough. Several things come to mind: 1. The speakers are brand new and may not have loosened up yet. Might they put out more bass in a week? 2. If the speakers are bass-light because of position (and I'm unwilling to move them for imaging reasons), might I need two (stereo) subs to fill in? 3. Could the bass shyness be cured with an upward click of a "bass tone control?" 4. If I do need a sub or subs, should I use the electronic crossover to roll off the T2s, or should I use the plate-amp crossover to roll the sub(s) in below the T2s? Rolling off the T2s with the electronic crossover DID make them sound more open when I was first writing my review of them... Much to consider. I always suggest the combo of components includes stereo subs. Stereo subs help treat the room. Interestingly Audio science review did an article about the benefit of using two to four subs and even showed measurements. The differences are impressive to say the least. No subs Four subs It's some good reading. www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/subwoofer-low-frequency-optimization.15/
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Post by jackfish on Mar 25, 2019 20:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 26, 2019 12:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by jcam2881 on Mar 26, 2019 17:20:40 GMT -5
The xpr-5 is up and running.. I didn’t have to do much to figure out the amp made the T2s jump alive but hook up one channel to the right and have a listed compared to the marantz. Noticeable clarity from my ears.
Anyway - blending nice w the subs - re positioned them 2” from back wall., might have found a decent spot for now.
Movies rock so far - the center sounds big - nice soundstage and given the lack of room treatments it’s impressive
More to follow- enjoying them so far.
Ribbon tweeters are where it’s at.. love listening to acoustic on these so far really impressed . I need more time to get them balanced in my room though
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