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Post by Nodscene on Jun 24, 2014 0:17:06 GMT -5
I was looking through the lineup of the current amps and noticed there is a nice spot between the XPA-5 at 200 watts and the XPR-5 at 400 watts for another amp. Looking at the difference between the XPA-2 and XPR-2, once again more than enough room for something in the middle. One of these days I'll upgrade my UPA-7 and if they had a 5 channel amp at 300 watts it would be at the top of my list. Even price wise it could make sense if it were around $1400 (of course I'd like to see it closer to $1200 haha) or so which would be less than an XPA-2 and a XPA-3 but still more than the XPA-5.
Any thoughts?
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Post by garbulky on Jun 24, 2014 0:34:17 GMT -5
I think there is room for a line of electronics below the u-series. They were to call it the executive series. Sort of like the mini-x. But above the X-series. Not for me. I think it would rob too many sales from the XPR series. The exec look they were throwing around was this: or an all in one unit Fans threw out some cool designs too! More info can be found here emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/28455We haven't heard further word on these products other than they were considering a CD player for it as well.
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Post by Cogito on Jun 24, 2014 7:37:43 GMT -5
Absolutely! Like I've mentioned before, stereo integrated amps are are hot right now.(Think Cambridge, NAD, Luxman, Peachtree, Marantz, etc.). Emotiva would sell a TON of "high powered" (200+ w/ch 8 ohm, 300+ w/ch 4 ohm) all tucked nicely in a 3U or 4U chassis. Gimme Gimme Gimme!
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 24, 2014 7:49:23 GMT -5
OK - I'm the "maybe" vote. Here's my explanation:
Emo currently has no integrated amps. Maybe a nice one or two with silver faces would be viable.
Emo currently has no tube or hybrid amps. Maybe one of each?
On the other hand, the Mini-X can be used as an integrated (and a full-featured one if you're willing to add an input switcher). The tube amps, being more expensive, would have a LOT of competition.
So I remain a firm "maybe."
Boomzilla
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Post by pedrocols on Jun 24, 2014 8:41:15 GMT -5
Just keep it simple!
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Post by paintedklown on Jun 24, 2014 9:37:16 GMT -5
Absolutely! Like I've mentioned before, stereo integrated amps are are hot right now.(Think Cambridge, NAD, Luxman, Peachtree, Marantz, etc.). Emotiva would sell a TON of "high powered" (200+ w/ch 8 ohm, 300+ w/ch 4 ohm) all tucked nicely in a 3U or 4U chassis. Gimme Gimme Gimme! +1 An integrated amp such as this would be nice. Keep the signal path as pure as possible, and add a built in DAC for convenience. Emo could almost add an amp to the DC-1, toss in a built in XPS-1, add a tape loop + a couple more analog inputs and call it good.
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Post by linvincible on Jun 24, 2014 9:54:15 GMT -5
what about a line with X or R series technology but better finished, like chassis and all, so that we don't have hum and clicks any more? and we're still waiting for the tube line ;o)
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Post by jdskycaster on Jun 24, 2014 10:44:06 GMT -5
I voted no but would change that to a yes if there would be no impact to prices across the other lines. Normally expanding a product line means increased costs for all products. There are those that will argue increased volume will make up for it but in the relatively small marketplace (of audio amps) there are only so many customers and you are normally just shifting a sale from one line to another, not making net new sales.
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Post by milsap195 on Jun 24, 2014 13:29:31 GMT -5
Other than some tube amps and a jack of all trades intergraded I say no. I think emo has way to many SS amps right now
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 24, 2014 14:43:41 GMT -5
I see room for a line of sub amps, a short line of course, 2 or 3 levels , say 400 watts, 800 watts and 1200 watts. Emotiva quality, "musical" sub amps, that compliment / supplement the range of power amps for music listening but also have enough grunt for movie LFE channel impact. They would be used by people who want a better quality (not just quantity) of sound from their sub woofer/s. To replace the existing amp that just doesn't cut it sonically in comparison with the rest of their system. To power a passive sub woofer. To replace the all to often failed plate amp. Also the same amps could be inbuilt in the new range of sub woofers, to amortise their development and tooling costs.
Cheers Gary
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Post by Nodscene on Jun 24, 2014 22:19:52 GMT -5
Allow me to ask a dumb question, what is the difference between a normal amp and a sub amp? Is there really that big of a difference that they aren't interchangeable. Thanks I see room for a line of sub amps, a short line of course, 2 or 3 levels , say 400 watts, 800 watts and 1200 watts. Emotiva quality, "musical" sub amps, that compliment / supplement the range of power amps for music listening but also have enough grunt for movie LFE channel impact. They would be used by people who want a better quality (not just quantity) of sound from their sub woofer/s. To replace the existing amp that just doesn't cut it sonically in comparison with the rest of their system. To power a passive sub woofer. To replace the all to often failed plate amp. Also the same amps could be inbuilt in the new range of sub woofers, to amortise their development and tooling costs. Cheers Gary
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Post by n9eryeah on Jun 24, 2014 22:57:17 GMT -5
I would love a smaller balanced stereo amp. Maybe the 75-125 wpc. If you want balanced circuitry you have to jump to dual xpa-1ls. Something similar to the Bel Canto REF 150s.
I think stereo set ups are moving towards balanced dacs with volume control direct to amps.
Just my opinion, thanks for asking.
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Post by deltadube on Jun 24, 2014 23:32:20 GMT -5
need a super high end line with meters!!!
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 24, 2014 23:38:29 GMT -5
I would love a smaller balanced stereo amp. Maybe the 75-125 wpc. If you want balanced circuitry you have to jump to dual xpa-1ls. Something similar to the Bel Canto REF 150s. I think stereo set ups are moving towards balanced dacs with volume control direct to amps. Just my opinion, thanks for asking. XPA-200? They're fully discrete, dual differential, balanced and 150 wpc into 8 ohms. Cheers Gary
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 25, 2014 0:24:00 GMT -5
Allow me to ask a dumb question, what is the difference between a normal amp and a sub amp? Is there really that big of a difference that they aren't interchangeable. Sub amps are commonly engineered to perform best in the frequency ranges encountered by a sub ie; below a couple of hundred hz. That can be Class AB or lately more frequently Class D. Whereas power amps are full range, covering the 20 to 20,000 plus range. There is no reason why we can't use a power amp to run a sub, in fact that's exactly what I currently do with an XPA-100. But the reverse (using a sub amp to run full range) may not be as successful. Because of the limited frequency range needing to be covered it is possible to design and manufacture a sub amp at a lower price point (that's cost, not necessarily selling price) with similar power outputs. Commonly sub amps are configured for mounting with the sub enclosure eg; a plate amp, rather than a more visible, stand alone box. So there may also be cost benefits inherent in that configuration. From a personal viewpoint, I've had a lot of sub amps over the years (decades) Class AB, Class D, professional amps DIY's etc. From a musicality perspective the current sub amp, the XPA-100, is the best sounding to my ears. With the bonus that it has a sonic signature (albeit below ~100 hz) that aligns nicely with my XPA-5 at the cross over points. Cheers Gary
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 25, 2014 6:44:49 GMT -5
I would love a smaller balanced stereo amp. Maybe the 75-125 wpc. If you want balanced circuitry you have to jump to dual xpa-1ls. Something similar to the Bel Canto REF 150s. I think stereo set ups are moving towards balanced dacs with volume control direct to amps. Just my opinion, thanks for asking. XPA-200? They're fully discrete, dual differential, balanced and 150 wpc into 8 ohms. Cheers Gary Niether of the XPA-x00 amps are balanced,
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Post by Nodscene on Jun 25, 2014 10:02:12 GMT -5
Let me ask this then (devil's advocate), do you think they are losing sales because they have nothing between the XPA and XPR lines of amps? There is quite the big jump in power and price between the two. So is it better to lose sales outright or lose some sales on the higher priced amp in exchange for more amp purchases altogether. I think there is room for a line of electronics below the u-series. They were to call it the executive series. Sort of like the mini-x. But above the X-series. Not for me. I think it would rob too many sales from the XPR series.
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Post by Dark Ranger on Jun 25, 2014 10:14:21 GMT -5
Regarding the XPA-100/XPA-200 amplifiers, I'd say they do indeed offer balanced connections, but are not truly differential. n9eryeah, A (fully) differential stereo amp would be kind of cool from a technical point of view. However, the XPA-2 is already such a good amp, plus true differential amps (like the XPA-1L, XPA-1, and XPR-1) typically require a lot of internal real estate for the components. I wouldn't necessarily use "small amp" and "differential" in the same sentence. Anyway, the XPA-200 might not be truly differential, but it's an awesome stereo amp with a small form-factor. You can still use balanced XLR connections to the amp for noise reduction benefits. I had my XPA-200 connected to my XDA-2 via balanced XLR for 13 months and loved it. Don't write off the XPA-200 because it's not truly differential. It's a fantastic stereo amp.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 25, 2014 10:59:25 GMT -5
Let me ask this then (devil's advocate), do you think they are losing sales because they have nothing between the XPA and XPR lines of amps? There is quite the big jump in power and price between the two. So is it better to lose sales outright or lose some sales on the higher priced amp in exchange for more amp purchases altogether. I think there is room for a line of electronics below the u-series. They were to call it the executive series. Sort of like the mini-x. But above the X-series. Not for me. I think it would rob too many sales from the XPR series. Looking at it from a power perspective there's about 3 dB of increase between the lines. XPA-1 @ 500W to XPR-1 @ 1000W, XPA-2 @ 300W to XPR-2 @ 600W, XPA-5 @ 200W to XPR-5 @ 400W. There's a power option for just about every need, and having more options between these doesn't make much sense from an SPL perspective. I doubt they're loosing sales – I think your grasping at straws on this one.
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Post by novisnick on Jun 25, 2014 11:18:16 GMT -5
I've held off for some time now about this topic. I have time with most SS amps made by Emotiva and believe there is room for only one more type of amp,,,,,a tube amp and/or pre-amp/buffer would be nice. This being said, it is a very selfish request because I'm not sure if there is market or profit in going down this road. I'd love to dabble and play with this type of amp/pre-amp/buffer, but as I stated,,,,,,for selfishness and maybe not in Emotiva's best interest!! But what the heck do I know? ??
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