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Post by multicore on Aug 26, 2014 16:28:48 GMT -5
This is exactly how my BDP-103 > XMC-1 connections are done and it works quite well. - HDMI 1 Out on the 103 to HDMI 1 In on the XMC-1. This input is labeled "Bluray". - HDMI 2 Out on the 103 (make sure "SACD" is set to "DSD" in the setup menu) to HDMI 2 In on the XMC-1. This input is labeled "SACD". The default mode for DSD on the XMC-1 is "DSD Direct". The XMC-1 will see the DSD stream, so you won't need to set anything special..... Yep, it works really well. Thanks, this is very helpful.
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Post by darien87 on Aug 27, 2014 17:27:21 GMT -5
How do you check the firmware version? Is it the same as the UMC-1?
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Post by geebo on Aug 27, 2014 17:59:18 GMT -5
How do you check the firmware version? Is it the same as the UMC-1? From the Main Menu go into the Information section.
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Post by darien87 on Aug 28, 2014 10:12:13 GMT -5
How do you check the firmware version? Is it the same as the UMC-1? From the Main Menu go into the Information section. Thanks Geebo. Stumbled across that last night.
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Post by darien87 on Aug 29, 2014 9:39:09 GMT -5
Another question, if the XMC updates via the USB port and it has no streaming feature like Pandora, what is the point of the Ethernet connection?
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Post by geebo on Aug 29, 2014 9:55:39 GMT -5
Another question, if the XMC updates via the USB port and it has no streaming feature like Pandora, what is the point of the Ethernet connection? Although there may be other uses in the future, the ethernet port will be required to use Dirac.
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Post by bluescale on Aug 29, 2014 10:49:51 GMT -5
Another question, if the XMC updates via the USB port and it has no streaming feature like Pandora, what is the point of the Ethernet connection? Although there may be other uses in the future, the ethernet port will be required to use Dirac. And eventually, some of us hope, for IP control.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 29, 2014 11:08:20 GMT -5
Although there may be other uses in the future, the ethernet port will be required to use Dirac. And eventually, some of us hope, for IP control. Yes, an important documented feature - hopefully we'll get the protocol, and app soon.
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Post by darien87 on Aug 29, 2014 22:03:19 GMT -5
Hey I just noticed that there is no crossover to set for the subs. What the heck? Does the XMC just cross the subs at the lowest setting of the rest of your speakers?
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Post by bluescale on Aug 30, 2014 1:16:35 GMT -5
Hey I just noticed that there is no crossover to set for the subs. What the heck? Does the XMC just cross the subs at the lowest setting of the rest of your speakers? There's a fixed 120hz low pass filter on the LFE channel. It's surprising that a $2k unit doesn't allow the user to adjust this setting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 2:06:02 GMT -5
Hey I just noticed that there is no crossover to set for the subs. What the heck? Does the XMC just cross the subs at the lowest setting of the rest of your speakers? There's a fixed 120hz low pass filter on the LFE channel. It's surprising that a $2k unit doesn't allow the user to adjust this setting. Although I understand some recording engineers have unfortunately included signals above 120Hz in the LFE channel in some multi-channel music, by original definition, the LFE channel is supposed to include special increased output (10dB's louder) LF sound up to 120Hz only and is the .1 channel in 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound. In effect the 120Hz limit is a brick wall. Most content in the LFE channel starts to roll off at least by 80Hz. The large majority of LFE sound will be below 80Hz. In a properly recorded movie soundtrack there are no LFE signals above 120Hz. The fixed 120Hz low pass filter on the LFE channel is correct IMO. Don't confuse the LFE 0.1 channel bass with the bass that is re-directed to the sub from the other main 5 or 7 channels by the bass management system below a selected/designated frequency. In home pre-pro's the signal sent to the sub is a combination of the LFE channel and the re-directed lower bass.
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Post by bluescale on Aug 30, 2014 3:11:29 GMT -5
Although I understand some recording engineers have unfortunately included signals above 120Hz in the LFE channel in some multi-channel music, by original definition, the LFE channel is supposed to include special increased output (10dB's louder) LF sound up to 120Hz only and is the .1 channel in 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound. In effect the 120Hz limit is a brick wall. Most content in the LFE channel starts to roll off at least by 80Hz. The large majority of LFE sound will be below 80Hz. In a properly recorded movie soundtrack there are no LFE signals above 120Hz. The fixed 120Hz low pass filter on the LFE channel is correct IMO. Don't confuse the LFE 0.1 channel bass with the bass that is re-directed to the sub from the other main 5 or 7 channels by the bass management system below a selected/designated frequency. In home pre-pro's the signal sent to the sub is a combination of the LFE channel and the re-directed lower bass. I don't disagree that 120hz is the correct setting. I just think it's surprising that the XMC-1 doesn't have an adjustable low pass filter. Most AVRs and processors have this, including Emotiva's past processors.
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Post by edrummereasye on Aug 30, 2014 8:06:05 GMT -5
Although I understand some recording engineers have unfortunately included signals above 120Hz in the LFE channel in some multi-channel music, by original definition, the LFE channel is supposed to include special increased output (10dB's louder) LF sound up to 120Hz only and is the .1 channel in 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound. In effect the 120Hz limit is a brick wall. Most content in the LFE channel starts to roll off at least by 80Hz. The large majority of LFE sound will be below 80Hz. In a properly recorded movie soundtrack there are no LFE signals above 120Hz. The fixed 120Hz low pass filter on the LFE channel is correct IMO. Don't confuse the LFE 0.1 channel bass with the bass that is re-directed to the sub from the other main 5 or 7 channels by the bass management system below a selected/designated frequency. In home pre-pro's the signal sent to the sub is a combination of the LFE channel and the re-directed lower bass. I don't disagree that 120hz is the correct setting. I just think it's surprising that the XMC-1 doesn't have an adjustable low pass filter. Most AVRs and processors have this, including Emotiva's past processors. If you go to Setup | Speakers | (select Front, Center, Surround, Surround Back) | Size (select small) then arrow right one more time you can select LPF frequency and slope (12 or 24 db/octave)...that's from memory, but I just set it up a few hours ago, so should be fairly accurate, and hopefully I'm understanding what you're looking for correctly...it did strike me as being not real obvious where it was...
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Post by edrummereasye on Aug 30, 2014 8:13:46 GMT -5
This is exactly how my BDP-103 > XMC-1 connections are done and it works quite well. - HDMI 1 Out on the 103 to HDMI 1 In on the XMC-1. This input is labeled "Bluray". - HDMI 2 Out on the 103 (make sure "SACD" is set to "DSD" in the setup menu) to HDMI 2 In on the XMC-1. This input is labeled "SACD". The default mode for DSD on the XMC-1 is "DSD Direct". The XMC-1 will see the DSD stream, so you won't need to set anything special..... Yep, it works really well. Are you guys doing it that way specifically to take advantage of "auto lip-synch"? Meaning, as opposed to running HDMI 1 to your display? Or is there an advantage in terms of selecting the 2.0/5.1 processing modes? I didn't even realize the XMC-1 *had* auto lip-synch, so I just ran HDMI1 from my BDP-95 to the display, as I did with the UMC-1 and UMC-200 before...but I've still got two HDMI inputs free on the XMC-1, so no problem changing it, just not sure I understand completely.
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Post by geebo on Aug 30, 2014 8:31:27 GMT -5
I don't disagree that 120hz is the correct setting. I just think it's surprising that the XMC-1 doesn't have an adjustable low pass filter. Most AVRs and processors have this, including Emotiva's past processors. If you go to Setup | Speakers | (select Front, Center, Surround, Surround Back) | Size (select small) then arrow right one more time you can select LPF frequency and slope (12 or 24 db/octave)...that's from memory, but I just set it up a few hours ago, so should be fairly accurate, and hopefully I'm understanding what you're looking for correctly...it did strike me as being not real obvious where it was... Those are the crossovers for the bass management. Anything below those setting will be directed to the subs. The question asked was about the LPF for the LFE channel which filters out frequencies above that setting.
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Post by geebo on Aug 30, 2014 8:35:15 GMT -5
Yep, it works really well. Are you guys doing it that way specifically to take advantage of "auto lip-synch"? Meaning, as opposed to running HDMI 1 to your display? Or is there an advantage in terms of selecting the 2.0/5.1 processing modes? I didn't even realize the XMC-1 *had* auto lip-synch, so I just ran HDMI1 from my BDP-95 to the display, as I did with the UMC-1 and UMC-200 before...but I've still got two HDMI inputs free on the XMC-1, so no problem changing it, just not sure I understand completely. This was for using HDMI 2 out from the Oppo 103 to get DSD playback and HDMI 1 from the Oppo to watch movies and take advantage of the enhanced video processing of the Oppo.
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Post by darien87 on Aug 31, 2014 3:01:11 GMT -5
If you go to Setup | Speakers | (select Front, Center, Surround, Surround Back) | Size (select small) then arrow right one more time you can select LPF frequency and slope (12 or 24 db/octave)...that's from memory, but I just set it up a few hours ago, so should be fairly accurate, and hopefully I'm understanding what you're looking for correctly...it did strike me as being not real obvious where it was... Those are the crossovers for the bass management. Anything below those setting will be directed to the subs. The question asked was about the LPF for the LFE channel which filters out frequencies above that setting. The manual says that audio content below the crossover point for the other speakers is sent to the subs. But if you set the xover point differently for each speaker, say 40hz for the fronts and 60hz for the center, what gets sent to the subs? Everything below 40hz or 60hz? Here is how I have my speakers set up: I Fronts at 40hz Center at 60hz Surrounds at 100hz Backs at 40hz So what is the bass management doing in my situation? I am totally confused.
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Post by geebo on Aug 31, 2014 8:47:12 GMT -5
Those are the crossovers for the bass management. Anything below those setting will be directed to the subs. The question asked was about the LPF for the LFE channel which filters out frequencies above that setting. The manual says that audio content below the crossover point for the other speakers is sent to the subs. But if you set the xover point differently for each speaker, say 40hz for the fronts and 60hz for the center, what gets sent to the subs? Everything below 40hz or 60hz? Here is how I have my speakers set up: I Fronts at 40hz Center at 60hz Surrounds at 100hz Backs at 40hz So what is the bass management doing in my situation? I am totally confused. Well, everything going to the surrounds below 100Hz, to the center below 60Hz, to the backs below 40Hz, and to the fronts below 40Hz gets re-directed.
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Post by bootman on Aug 31, 2014 10:33:42 GMT -5
Hey I just noticed that there is no crossover to set for the subs. What the heck? Does the XMC just cross the subs at the lowest setting of the rest of your speakers? There's a fixed 120hz low pass filter on the LFE channel. It's surprising that a $2k unit doesn't allow the user to adjust this setting. The XO for LFE should be 120. Setting the XO for the other speakers basically sets the sub XO for all other sources that doesn't use the LFE channel. I'm Ok with it being this way. Doing it the other way could potentially lose LFE info if the XO is set lower than 120.
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Post by bluescale on Aug 31, 2014 16:17:31 GMT -5
Well, everything going to the surrounds below 100Hz, to the center below 60Hz, to the backs below 40Hz, and to the fronts below 40Hz gets re-directed. To further clarify, each speaker set is processed individually, so it's doing exactly what you asked it to do (and what geebo states here). In addition to these crossover settings, there is a fixed 120hz Low Pass filter for the LFE channel. The LFE channel is the .1 part of a 5.1 or 7.1 movie soundtrack. You don't need to worry about the low pass filter, since it's preconfigured. All the data that *should* be in the .1 is sent to the sub. So, when you're watching a movie, all the data from your surround speaker crossover points goes to the sub. In addition, all the data in the .1 channel goes to the subwoofer as well.
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