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Post by usxplong on Oct 25, 2014 15:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by solidstate on Oct 25, 2014 15:50:16 GMT -5
YES It sounds FANTASTIC and why I'm still putting up with Emotiva not let releasing DIRAC and the trigger issue. BTW have you experienced the trigger issue? I'm really mad about the trigger issue and lack of honesty regarding this issue and the DIRAC situation. |
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Post by hemster on Oct 25, 2014 15:59:55 GMT -5
YES It sounds FANTASTIC and why I'm still putting up with Emotiva not let releasing DIRAC and the trigger issue. BTW have you experienced the trigger issue? I'm really mad about the trigger issue and lack of honesty regarding this issue and the DIRAC situation. Do you think spreading your angst in multiple threads is the answer? Why not contact them about your specific situation on Monday morning and lower your BP now? As I mentioned on the other thread my trigger issue was resolved with firmware 1.2 so I can't agree about "lack of honesty" you're claiming. I do acknowledge that some others are still having this issue and they should contact Emotiva too. |
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Post by usxplong on Oct 25, 2014 16:07:28 GMT -5
No trigger issues for me from the beginning.
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Post by Thunderduck on Oct 25, 2014 17:21:44 GMT -5
My trigger issue was solved with the modified cable. Worked very well.
Now for those pesky left and right front outputs.
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Post by solidstate on Oct 25, 2014 19:32:56 GMT -5
YES It sounds FANTASTIC and why I'm still putting up with Emotiva not let releasing DIRAC and the trigger issue. BTW have you experienced the trigger issue? I'm really mad about the trigger issue and lack of honesty regarding this issue and the DIRAC situation. Do you think spreading your angst in multiple threads is the answer? Why not contact them about your specific situation on Monday morning and lower your BP now? As I mentioned on the other thread my trigger issue was resolved with firmware 1.2 so I can't agree about "lack of honesty" you're claiming. I do acknowledge that some others are still having this issue and they should contact Emotiva too. Well... I'll be darned! I decided to do a full factory reset as I hadn't done so when the unit took the 1.2 hit and guess what! The trigger problem is no longer there! Perhaps the factory reset changed a register in the front panel/12v microcontroller or something!?! Anyway it is working properly! YAY! Now I wonder why the guy with 1.3 is having the issue with his UPA-7? Perhaps the fix wasn't compiled into 1.3 by mistake? PS it also seems to boot faster |
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Post by djoel on Oct 25, 2014 20:07:19 GMT -5
Quite brave posting that review over on the Krell thread, huge cojones there! ..Gotta respect that thou, love the responses so far.
Djoel
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Post by paintedklown on Oct 25, 2014 23:49:30 GMT -5
Just to clarify here, are you comparing the XMC-1 to this Krell processor? www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=KRFP&gclid=CMLG6erBycECFYZaMgodaQgARgSome accolades for the Krell.
EISA Best Product Award Winner 2013
Best of CES 2013 Award Winner, HomeTheaterReview.com
The Foundation won a Best Product Award for 2013 in the High-end HT category from EiSA, the European Imaging and Sound Association.
It also won a Best of CES 2013 Award from HomeTheaterReview.com, which raves, "It's hard to do better than the Krell Foundation AV preamp in terms of performance."
According to Sound&Vision magazine, "The Foundation maintained the clarity, dimensionality, and ease of even the most timbrally complex, dynamically challenging passages." |
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 26, 2014 0:43:04 GMT -5
How much would that Krell cost if it was sold through ID...? And how much would the XMC-1 cost if it was sold through dealers...?
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Post by novisnick on Oct 26, 2014 0:58:23 GMT -5
How much would that Krell cost if it was sold through ID...? And how much would the XMC-1 cost if it was sold through dealers...? Most likely a straight swap. IMHO. 8) |
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 26, 2014 1:16:16 GMT -5
How much would that Krell cost if it was sold through ID...? And how much would the XMC-1 cost if it was sold through dealers...? Most likely a straight swap. IMHO. 8) So basically, if someone goes on arguing that the XMC-1 is better than a processor 3x its cost, that would be an inaccurate statement. |
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Post by rogersch on Oct 26, 2014 1:53:20 GMT -5
Well the remote of the Krell looks as clunky as the remote of the XMC-1. So from that perspective they are comparable.  |
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Post by doc1963 on Oct 26, 2014 1:53:57 GMT -5
Most likely a straight swap. IMHO. 8) So basically, if someone goes on arguing that the XMC-1 is better than a processor 3x its cost, that would be an inaccurate statement. Absolutely not, because Krell's "real world" business model has not changed. Until it actually does (which will likely never happen), the end cost to the consumer remains unchanged and the argument is completely valid.... |
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 26, 2014 2:19:48 GMT -5
So basically, if someone goes on arguing that the XMC-1 is better than a processor 3x its cost, that would be an inaccurate statement. Absolutely not, because Krell's "real world" business model has not changed. Until it actually does (which will likely never happen), the end cost to the consumer remains unchanged and the argument is completely valid.... So basically, you can't compare the two because they are in two different categories price wise. It would be more appropriate to compare the XMC-1 with a product with the same business model like Outlaw? |
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Post by doc1963 on Oct 26, 2014 3:25:49 GMT -5
Absolutely not, because Krell's "real world" business model has not changed. Until it actually does (which will likely never happen), the end cost to the consumer remains unchanged and the argument is completely valid.... So basically, you can't compare the two because they are in two different categories price wise. It would be more appropriate to compare the XMC-1 with a product with the same business model like Outlaw? Why not...? IMO, It's absolutely fair to compair the Krell Foundation to the XMC-1. The huge difference in price has far more to do with the "business model" differences between Krell and Emotiva than the quality and/or technology built onto the compontents. Price should never be considered a "prerequisite" to differences in overall quality. Emotiva and Outlaw Audio are perfect examples of how ID companies have broken down the barriers of "price" versus quality/performance and it's totally up to the end user to choose who, or how much, he pays. Additionally, only the end user can decide whether a few additional inputs or any "discernible" sonic differences between the two products are worth the substantial difference In price. Without having ever heard the Krell, my guess would have to be an obvious "no". |
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Post by cwt on Oct 26, 2014 9:53:44 GMT -5
Please everyone stop picking on the Krell just because its 4k upgrade and on screen display is a bit rich  |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Oct 26, 2014 9:58:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the link and your thoughts. You are a brave soul. Prepare for the firestorm over at AVS  |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 26, 2014 10:13:01 GMT -5
Most likely a straight swap. IMHO. 8) So basically, if someone goes on arguing that the XMC-1 is better than a processor 3x its cost, that would be an inaccurate statement. I have no idea, if they are close in quality and function then price has no bearing in my view. I am not a POT STIRRER,!,,,,, 8) a question was asked and I replied,,,,,,,,that is all. |
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Post by Lsc on Oct 26, 2014 10:17:48 GMT -5
Sounds like the XMC-1 is pretty awesome.
Next if there is a comparison btw the XPR amps vs Krell amps and Emotiva wins out....that'll be something.
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Post by djoel on Oct 26, 2014 10:33:48 GMT -5
How much would that Krell cost if it was sold through ID...? And how much would the XMC-1 cost if it was sold through dealers...? Yes, this is what I was thinking reading the post over the Foundation thread. Do those guys actually think the Krell cost what they paid without a hint of mark ups??? The disbelieve is literally deafening, it reminds me when I first purchased an Onkyo 855 SSP, which sounds identical to the Lexicon of the time, but with much better features at a fraction of the price, the S storm that unit was getting was unreal. True in two channel, or just for listening to music did left lots to be desire, but one could purchase a tube pre amp, or a USP-1 with HT by pass and you were golden for a fraction of the price of the Lexicon ssp. History repeats it self, and it's just coming full circle! Djoel |
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