Netflix 4K streaming

[copperband]

anyone doing Netflix 4K streaming? How much internet speed do I need to do so?

[deltadube]

Mar 12, 2015 22:42:41 GMT -5 copperband said:

anyone doing Netflix 4K streaming? How much internet speed do I need to do so?

i didn't know they had 4k streaming..

you need lots and lots of download gigs on you internet account with that.. or u be over the limit.. maybe unlimited account..

just using netflixs hd streaming i went 180 over budget my 1st month..

cheers

[AudioHTIT]

Mar 12, 2015 22:42:41 GMT -5 copperband said:

anyone doing Netflix 4K streaming? How much internet speed do I need to do so?

Not Netflix (and I haven't read it), but I noticed this article on streaming Amazon UHD today. Might give you some bandwidth numbers.

hometheaterreview.com/amazon-ultra-hd-instant-video-service-reviewed/

[garbulky]

When 4k streaming becomes the norm - estimated in about two years imo...the internet companies are going to have to really change their game. Right now most offer pretty decent speeds but data caps that are honestly kind of ridiculous think 250 gb. Why would I need that high speed internet if I can't use it?!
I got hooked up with a relatively low speed line early on 3-5 mbps but it had no data caps at the time and I am still on it.
Edit: turns out it is 25 mbps. Yikes! Looks like that estimate is going to be a little later then haha.

[bootman]

Mar 12, 2015 22:42:41 GMT -5 copperband said:

anyone doing Netflix 4K streaming? How much internet speed do I need to do so?

What choices do you have with the provider in your area?

How many users in the home?

wireless or hardwired?

The internet speed is just one part of your entire network at home.

[geebo]

I've been using Amazon 4K streaming and the results have been very good. With Comcast I get about 95mbps with my TV connected to a wireless AC bridge but I've read that you need to have at least 25mbps to have acceptable results. If your TV has a built-in browser just go to speedtest.net and see what your getting. A hardwired connection to the router or gateway would be the best way if possible. And keep an eye on the total usage for any given month. If you stream a lot it could be easy to go over your allotment.

[rogersch]

I'm glad that in the Netherlands nearly all fixed line (ADSL, Cable and Fiber) connections have no volume restrictions (fair use only).

[Loop 7]

Utilizing the extremely efficient h.265 codec, some estimate Netflix's 4k stream consumes approximately 7 GB per hour. 

Amazon and Netflix 4k are only available via native panel apps from what I know.

In my area, Comcast has suspended their previous 250 GB data cap but I would not be surprised if they reinstate soon. I typically consume between 500 GB and 600 GB which is all music and video streaming. Net neutrality policy should be tied up in court for the next 2-5 years so speculation about data caps is rampant.

[copperband]

thanks all. sorry I thought Netflix already provided 4K movies...

I have 4 users, have AT&T uverse at 18mbps, which is the maximum speed in my neighbourhood. I called them to confirm, AT&T said no plan to upgrade to provide higher speed in my area. So looks like I need to switch ISP provider if I want to stream 4K movies.

I used speednet.com to check regularly and it does provide speed close to 18 mbps so my line/speed is not share with my neighbours.

Comcast boost to have speed up to 50 mbps, but my friend said Comcast's so called 50 mbps is shared with your neighbours, meaning one won't get 50 mbps at all. Is that true?

[geebo]

Mar 13, 2015 11:27:51 GMT -5 copperband said:

thanks all. sorry I thought Netflix already provided 4K movies...

I have 4 users, have AT&T uverse at 18mbps, which is the maximum speed in my neighbourhood. I called them to confirm, AT&T said no plan to upgrade to provide higher speed in my area. So looks like I need to switch ISP provider if I want to stream 4K movies.

I used speednet.com to check regularly and it does provide speed close to 18 mbps so my line/speed is not share with my neighbours.

Comcast boost to have speed up to 50 mbps, but my friend said Comcast's so called 50 mbps is shared with your neighbours, meaning one won't get 50 mbps at all. Is that true?

I guess it depends on the neighborhood but ours is usually always right around 100 regardless of time of day I check it.
Bootman may have more info on this.

[lynnmass603]

ihave 50 mbps with comcast and its usually alot less then that when i use speedtest 20-30mbps on average

[bootman]

Mar 13, 2015 11:27:51 GMT -5 copperband said:

Comcast boost to have speed up to 50 mbps, but my friend said Comcast's so called 50 mbps is shared with your neighbours, meaning one won't get 50 mbps at all. Is that true?

Trying not to get to technical, everyone's service narrows down to what is called a node that is tied to a service group.
Even fiber service eventually gets tied to a service group.
The amount of BW available to a service group is fixed but depending on architecture can be anywhere from ~338Mb/sec (Downstream) to 1Gb/sec depending on how many RF QAMs (channels) are dedicated to the service group.

So while everyone does share BW in the service group, there should be enough available BW so that any given user at any given time can reach their provisioned speed in a speed test.

Note i said speed test because in the internet there are very few places that you can sustain a stream of any kind higher than 5 Mb/sec.

The internet isn't built that way and the scenario above only describes what is built on the edge.
Your 25M pipe isn't guaranteed across all sites everywhere. Too many hands touch the various networks you hop from one place to another for that and out of the direct control of your ISP (aka the edge)

Now in the case of Comcast, since Netflix has about 5TB/s (yes TB!) worth of connection into the comcast network, there is plenty of BW available to the end user because you now don't have to leave the ISP network (well one hop away) for their content.

BTW those complaints of Comcast slowing down Netflix (and Verizon also) were in fact bunk.
Netflix's own ISP (Cogent) was the one that actually was doing the throttling that caused this whole mess to begin with.

www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2014/11/25/how-netflix-poisoned-the-net-neutrality-debate/?partner=yahootix

That is what drove netflix to talk to Comcast directly for direct links into their network.
It was actually cheaper for them to do that vs paying Cogent more money for additional BW to the outside.


...sorry to the OP for going off topic.

25M service should be fine.

[selkec]

Mar 13, 2015 11:27:51 GMT -5 copperband said:

thanks all. sorry I thought Netflix already provided 4K movies...

I have 4 users, have AT&T uverse at 18mbps, which is the maximum speed in my neighbourhood. I called them to confirm, AT&T said no plan to upgrade to provide higher speed in my area. So looks like I need to switch ISP provider if I want to stream 4K movies.

I used speednet.com to check regularly and it does provide speed close to 18 mbps so my line/speed is not share with my neighbours.

Comcast boost to have speed up to 50 mbps, but my friend said Comcast's so called 50 mbps is shared with your neighbours, meaning one won't get 50 mbps at all. Is that true?

That is incorrect about the speeds... I work for comcast for 6 years now... there csn be 100 houses in a row with 50mbps And everyone would get the 50 or really close... speeds with comcast have nothing to do with sharing with neighbors. .. that's more of an AT&T thing.... Comcast also only guarantees hard wired. Nothing wifi!!!