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Post by novisnick on Apr 5, 2015 22:52:12 GMT -5
No, I wasn't advising that it was an entry level, just making an observation.
Emotiva's TT, I had given up hope, mostly because there are so many to choose from.
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Post by deltadube on Apr 5, 2015 23:08:07 GMT -5
At $1990. the Rega RP6 isn't exactly entry level, but it is in my opinion, today, the best TT for the price range. I plan on making this Rega TT my next purchase, I need to replace my very old B&O 3404 TT I was wishing I would hear that Emotiva might produce a similar type of TT, with blue lighting through a glass platter. for only a few more I like this baby ...   high mass tt 22kg |
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Post by deltadube on Apr 5, 2015 23:11:36 GMT -5
and for just a few more ...  |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 5, 2015 23:31:37 GMT -5
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Post by teaman on Apr 6, 2015 0:37:02 GMT -5
There are a ton of good used Technics turntables out there. I enjoyed several from an SL-QD33 to an SL 1200 MKII. I always used Audio Technica cartridges and needles and the sound quality was amazing. Whatever direction for a TT you go, make sure to invest in a good cartridge and needle to accompany it. There are some really good prices out there for used TT's which would let you spend more on a good AT or Shure cartridge and needle. The needle and cartridge are probably the most important aspects to consider quality sound. Happy hunting!
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Post by deltadube on Apr 6, 2015 0:49:44 GMT -5
how did you do it.. glue them to the ceiling bro? they all seem upside down.... cheers |
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Post by deltadube on Apr 6, 2015 0:52:57 GMT -5
There are a ton of good used Technics turntables out there. I enjoyed several from an SL-QD33 to an SL 1200 MKII. I always used Audio Technica cartridges and needles and the sound quality was amazing. Whatever direction for a TT you go, make sure to invest in a good cartridge and needle to accompany it. There are some really good prices out there for used TT's which would let you spend more on a good AT or Shure cartridge and needle. The needle and cartridge are probably the most important aspects to consider quality sound. Happy hunting! ortofon is a big name in cartridges!! how about an mc anna!! www.planetofsoundonline.com/collections/phono-cartridges/products/ortofon-mc-anna-cartridge |
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Post by trinhsman on Apr 6, 2015 6:09:51 GMT -5
Hi, I'd like to start dabbling in Vinyl a bit. I'm pretty clueless when it comes to turntables. My budget is somewhere around 400-600 USD. Since I sold my XSP I don't own a phono stage anymore. These are the options I'm looking at: Emotiva XPS-1 Phono Preamp 135 USD + 50 USD Shipping = 185 USD + Rega RP1 390 CHF = 410 USD = 595 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emotiva XPS-1 Phono Preamp 135 USD + 50 USD Shipping = 185 USD + Pro-Ject Essential II 278 CHF = 292 USD = 477 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pro-Ject Essential II Phono USB 348 CHF = 366 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pro-Ject Debut Phono USB 547 CHF = 575 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------Emotiva XPS-1 Phono Preamp 135 USD + 50 USD Shipping = 185 USD+Pro-Ject Debut 359 CHF = 415 USD= 600 USDDesignwise I actually prefer the Pro-Ject Essential but what's my best option when it comes to SQ? Is there even a different between these options? Is Emotivas XPS better than the Pro-ject Phono stage? Any advice is appreciated.  I started down this path 2 years ago. Started with a Pro-Ject Debut III. Great entry turntable. Ultimately I totally hotrodded the turntable with a Spped Bpx, Acrylic platter, upgraded cartridge all the way to an Ortofon 2M Black, and did some tweaking with the plinth. Then changed to a Music Hall 7.1, and last year ended up with the Music Hall 9.1, with the Black cartridge. The Pro-Ject tables are quite good, but as others have said, if the vinyl bug bites, you will upgrade as fast as your wallet will allow. My. Wallet has stopped at the Music Hall 9.1. Great table. Just my 2 cents. |
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Post by deltadube on Apr 6, 2015 17:28:42 GMT -5
Hi, I'd like to start dabbling in Vinyl a bit. I'm pretty clueless when it comes to turntables. My budget is somewhere around 400-600 USD. Since I sold my XSP I don't own a phono stage anymore. These are the options I'm looking at: Emotiva XPS-1 Phono Preamp 135 USD + 50 USD Shipping = 185 USD + Rega RP1 390 CHF = 410 USD = 595 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emotiva XPS-1 Phono Preamp 135 USD + 50 USD Shipping = 185 USD + Pro-Ject Essential II 278 CHF = 292 USD = 477 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pro-Ject Essential II Phono USB 348 CHF = 366 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pro-Ject Debut Phono USB 547 CHF = 575 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------Emotiva XPS-1 Phono Preamp 135 USD + 50 USD Shipping = 185 USD+Pro-Ject Debut 359 CHF = 415 USD= 600 USDDesignwise I actually prefer the Pro-Ject Essential but what's my best option when it comes to SQ? Is there even a different between these options? Is Emotivas XPS better than the Pro-ject Phono stage? Any advice is appreciated. I started down this path 2 years ago. Started with a Pro-Ject Debut III. Great entry turntable. Ultimately I totally hotrodded the turntable with a Spped Bpx, Acrylic platter, upgraded cartridge all the way to an Ortofon 2M Black, and did some tweaking with the plinth. Then changed to a Music Hall 7.1, and last year ended up with the Music Hall 9.1, with the Black cartridge. The Pro-Ject tables are quite good, but as others have said, if the vinyl bug bites, you will upgrade as fast as your wallet will allow. My. Wallet has stopped at the Music Hall 9.1. Great table. Just my 2 cents. maybe you could talk a bit about the sound quality improvements as you upgraded to your 9.1 I believe the music hall tables come out of a project factory!!! cheers.. |
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Post by Nodscene on Apr 7, 2015 12:29:37 GMT -5
Wait till the Cassette makes it's way back into the spotlight haha, knew I should have kept that old Technics cassette player  It's funny as I was thinking of seeing how tapes sound with the equipment of this day and age compared to the 80's. It wouldn't be too expensive either really. I think my next superfluous purchase is going to be a reel to reel. I remember it sounding superior to Tape and Vinyl back in the day. There seems to be a fair amount of releases but not a whole lot of what I like. Even still, would be fun to play with. |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 7, 2015 12:56:07 GMT -5
Wait till the Cassette makes it's way back into the spotlight haha, knew I should have kept that old Technics cassette player It's funny as I was thinking of seeing how tapes sound with the equipment of this day and age compared to the 80's. It wouldn't be too expensive either really. I think my next superfluous purchase is going to be a reel to reel. I remember it sounding superior to Tape and Vinyl back in the day. There seems to be a fair amount of releases but not a whole lot of what I like. Even still, would be fun to play with. I tried this exact experiment a few months back,,,,, don't waist your time brother!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,, Hissssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by thrillcat on Apr 7, 2015 13:17:36 GMT -5
Wait till the Cassette makes it's way back into the spotlight haha, knew I should have kept that old Technics cassette player It's funny as I was thinking of seeing how tapes sound with the equipment of this day and age compared to the 80's. It wouldn't be too expensive either really. I think my next superfluous purchase is going to be a reel to reel. I remember it sounding superior to Tape and Vinyl back in the day. There seems to be a fair amount of releases but not a whole lot of what I like. Even still, would be fun to play with. My dad, for as long as I can remember, always had this "Best of George Jones" cassette in his vehicle. I remember it in 3 different vehicles. I never remember him listening to it, but I remember it was always there. When he passed back in '07 I wound up with that cassette, and I carried it with me in whatever vehicle I was driving at the time to remember him by. I bought a 10yo BMW X5 last summer and lo and behold it has a cassette player in it. The first cassette player I've had in a vehicle since I can remember. At the end of the summer I drove to Colorado to pick up my 8yo from his month with his mom and somewhere in Nebraska where radio doesn't exist I decided to see if the cassette deck worked. I'll be damned if it didn't sound fantastic. This cheap tape that was probably bought at a truck stop somewhere had gone through probably close to 20 hot Iowa summers and cold Iowa winters was finally placed into a 10 year old cassette deck and it blew me away. It sounded far better than the satellite radio, better than FM, and comparable to the CD changer. Not that I've gone out and bought a bunch of blank cassettes to start making mix tapes, but, just thought I'd throw that out there. |
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Post by Nodscene on Apr 8, 2015 11:11:44 GMT -5
That's funny, two very different answers. I'm sure a lot has to do with the equipment it's played back on.
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Post by KeithL on Apr 8, 2015 11:36:50 GMT -5
That's very cool. Cassettes are rather notorious for not surviving very well - especially if they spend a lot of time on hot dash boards or in hot glove boxes.  However, notwithstanding a single good experience, cassettes generally have very poor sound quality compared to the other choices available today (CDs and digital files). And, yes, a digital recording of a vinyl album will almost certainly sound a lot better than a cassette copy of that same album. You also have the issue common to all analog sources - that, every time you make a copy, a lot more quality is lost (just like when you make a Xerox copy of a Xerox copy of a Xerox copy). If you're going to make mix cassettes because your car has a cassette player, then try to use source material of high quality, and avoid making "generational copies". (Don't make a cassette from a cassette, and don't copy a mix cassette you like - instead, make another one from the same original source material. If you plan to make multiple copies, then make a digital master copy, and then make multiple cassettes from that. In fact, it always makes sense to do it that way; that way, when your cassette copy gets damaged or wears out, you can simply "run another copy".) Another hint is that cassette tapes and the cartridges themselves are sensitive to heat... and cassette players in cars often generate heat internally (the tape will usually be a lot warmer when you take it out after playing it). When the tape gets too warm, it is more prone to stretching and rippling, and, when the cases get too warm, they are more prone to warping or just plain falling apart; therefore, if your tape has been sitting in a hot glove box, or left on a warm seat or dash board, let it cool down before putting it in the player... (and, if your car gets very hot, and gets left out in the sun a lot, you should consider keeping your tapes in a carry-case and taking them inside with you). It's funny as I was thinking of seeing how tapes sound with the equipment of this day and age compared to the 80's. It wouldn't be too expensive either really. I think my next superfluous purchase is going to be a reel to reel. I remember it sounding superior to Tape and Vinyl back in the day. There seems to be a fair amount of releases but not a whole lot of what I like. Even still, would be fun to play with. My dad, for as long as I can remember, always had this "Best of George Jones" cassette in his vehicle. I remember it in 3 different vehicles. I never remember him listening to it, but I remember it was always there. When he passed back in '07 I wound up with that cassette, and I carried it with me in whatever vehicle I was driving at the time to remember him by. I bought a 10yo BMW X5 last summer and lo and behold it has a cassette player in it. The first cassette player I've had in a vehicle since I can remember. At the end of the summer I drove to Colorado to pick up my 8yo from his month with his mom and somewhere in Nebraska where radio doesn't exist I decided to see if the cassette deck worked. I'll be damned if it didn't sound fantastic. This cheap tape that was probably bought at a truck stop somewhere had gone through probably close to 20 hot Iowa summers and cold Iowa winters was finally placed into a 10 year old cassette deck and it blew me away. It sounded far better than the satellite radio, better than FM, and comparable to the CD changer. Not that I've gone out and bought a bunch of blank cassettes to start making mix tapes, but, just thought I'd throw that out there. |
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 8, 2015 13:19:42 GMT -5
It's funny as I was thinking of seeing how tapes sound with the equipment of this day and age compared to the 80's. It wouldn't be too expensive either really. I think my next superfluous purchase is going to be a reel to reel. I remember it sounding superior to Tape and Vinyl back in the day. There seems to be a fair amount of releases but not a whole lot of what I like. Even still, would be fun to play with. I tried this exact experiment a few months back,,,,, don't waist your time brother!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,, Hissssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!Uh well not quite. More like silence as getting tape is More of an underground process as retail buying of tape is gone for the most part. As far as hiss. Properly align your deck with the tape of your choice,and employ Dbx type 1 for reel to reels, and Type 2 for cassette. You Hiss issue is banished. |
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 8, 2015 13:22:12 GMT -5
Emtec and RMG are about the last ones left for tape, unless you Ebay or,something. Maybe you'll come across some NOS Scotch 207 pancakes as most reel to reels were biased for it from 60s 70s 80s.
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Post by deltadube on Apr 8, 2015 14:38:07 GMT -5
That's very cool. Cassettes are rather notorious for not surviving very well - especially if they spend a lot of time on hot dash boards or in hot glove boxes. However, notwithstanding a single good experience, cassettes generally have very poor sound quality compared to the other choices available today (CDs and digital files). And, yes, a digital recording of a vinyl album will almost certainly sound a lot better than a cassette copy of that same album. You also have the issue common to all analog sources - that, every time you make a copy, a lot more quality is lost (just like when you make a Xerox copy of a Xerox copy of a Xerox copy). If you're going to make mix cassettes because your car has a cassette player, then try to use source material of high quality, and avoid making "generational copies". (Don't make a cassette from a cassette, and don't copy a mix cassette you like - instead, make another one from the same original source material. If you plan to make multiple copies, then make a digital master copy, and then make multiple cassettes from that. In fact, it always makes sense to do it that way; that way, when your cassette copy gets damaged or wears out, you can simply "run another copy".) Another hint is that cassette tapes and the cartridges themselves are sensitive to heat... and cassette players in cars often generate heat internally (the tape will usually be a lot warmer when you take it out after playing it). When the tape gets too warm, it is more prone to stretching and rippling, and, when the cases get too warm, they are more prone to warping or just plain falling apart; therefore, if your tape has been sitting in a hot glove box, or left on a warm seat or dash board, let it cool down before putting it in the player... (and, if your car gets very hot, and gets left out in the sun a lot, you should consider keeping your tapes in a carry-case and taking them inside with you). My dad, for as long as I can remember, always had this "Best of George Jones" cassette in his vehicle. I remember it in 3 different vehicles. I never remember him listening to it, but I remember it was always there. When he passed back in '07 I wound up with that cassette, and I carried it with me in whatever vehicle I was driving at the time to remember him by. I bought a 10yo BMW X5 last summer and lo and behold it has a cassette player in it. The first cassette player I've had in a vehicle since I can remember. At the end of the summer I drove to Colorado to pick up my 8yo from his month with his mom and somewhere in Nebraska where radio doesn't exist I decided to see if the cassette deck worked. I'll be damned if it didn't sound fantastic. This cheap tape that was probably bought at a truck stop somewhere had gone through probably close to 20 hot Iowa summers and cold Iowa winters was finally placed into a 10 year old cassette deck and it blew me away. It sounded far better than the satellite radio, better than FM, and comparable to the CD changer. Not that I've gone out and bought a bunch of blank cassettes to start making mix tapes, but, just thought I'd throw that out there. I had a few tapes left on the passenger seat in the sun holy cow they almost melted and got extremely deformed .. like always I learn the hard way lol.. cheers. |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 8, 2015 16:35:58 GMT -5
I just love when the radio chews up the tapes and tries to swallow it while you try to rescue it...lol...  |
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