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Post by brand on Apr 4, 2015 22:06:26 GMT -5
Hi, I'd like to start dabbling in Vinyl a bit. I'm pretty clueless when it comes to turntables. My budget is somewhere around 400-600 USD. Since I sold my XSP I don't own a phono stage anymore. These are the options I'm looking at: Emotiva XPS-1 Phono Preamp 135 USD + 50 USD Shipping = 185 USD + Rega RP1 390 CHF = 410 USD = 595 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emotiva XPS-1 Phono Preamp 135 USD + 50 USD Shipping = 185 USD + Pro-Ject Essential II 278 CHF = 292 USD = 477 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pro-Ject Essential II Phono USB 348 CHF = 366 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pro-Ject Debut Phono USB 547 CHF = 575 USD------------------------------------------------------------------------------Emotiva XPS-1 Phono Preamp 135 USD + 50 USD Shipping = 185 USD+Pro-Ject Debut 359 CHF = 415 USD= 600 USDDesignwise I actually prefer the Pro-Ject Essential but what's my best option when it comes to SQ? Is there even a different between these options? Is Emotivas XPS better than the Pro-ject Phono stage? Any advice is appreciated.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 4, 2015 22:22:21 GMT -5
I'll take a shot at this for Ya bud. I've advised many friends that have looked into TTs, A few questions first; Have you ever had a TT? Do you have any vinyl? You relize that if you go fully manual, you need to be attentive because at the end of play you have to lift the arm and needle off the LP. I'm not trying to belittle, some people just don't know. I've often sold/lent one of my cheaper TT so they could deside weather or not their up to owning a TT. You don't set it and forget it,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, If in fact you fall in love with vinyl,,,,,,,,your ruined,,,,he,,,he,,,, in a month you'll want to upgrade and have to sell your cheaper TT or start collecting them,,,,,,you sure you don't want to pay $100.00 to find out?? Anyway, any help I can offer, I'm here. I don't have enough experience with your TT selection, I'm sure there all about equal, others will chime in Im sure,,,, then there's the cartridge,,,,he,,,he,,,,they can run as high as the TT youre looking at!! Beware of getting hooked my friend!!
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Post by Priapulus on Apr 4, 2015 22:50:57 GMT -5
1) If you're looking to vinyl because you enjoy the ritual and tradition of: - Selecting the album, - mulling over the album cover, - carefully removing the disc and placing it on the turntable, - dusting the disc off with a fine brush, - gently placing the tonearm on the first groove,
...in the same manner a wine connoisseur opens and pours his bottle, or cigar connoisseur unwraps, trims and lights his cigar, then vinyl is for you. Vinyl is for gentlemen who enjoy anachronisms, ritual, tradition and music from the era of LPs.
2) If you're looking for superior sound, the vinyl is NOT for you. It's a hundred year old technology of dragging a steel pin thru a plastic groove. That advice from me; who owns a couple of thousand vinyl records, but doesn't own a CD player...
Sincerely Blair
ps Also consider buying a vintage player. I love my 30 year old Acoustic Research Turntable.
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 4, 2015 22:58:26 GMT -5
1) If you're looking to vinyl because you enjoy the ritual and tradition of: - Selecting the album, - mulling over the album cover, - carefully removing the disc and placing it on the turntable, - dusting the disc off with a fine brush, - gently placing the tonearm on the first groove,
...in the same manner a wine connoisseur opens and pours his bottle, or cigar connoisseur unwraps, trims and lights his cigar, then vinyl is for you. Vinyl is for gentlemen who enjoy anachronisms, ritual, tradition and music from the era of LPs.
2) If you're looking for superior sound, the vinyl is NOT for you. It's a hundred year old technology of dragging a steel pin thru a plastic groove. That advice from me; who owns a couple of thousand vinyl records, but doesn't own a CD player...
Sincerely Blair
ps Also consider buying a vintage player. I love my 30 year old Acoustic Research Turntable.
Amazingly, some "steel pins" can set you back several hundreds and even thousand of $$$$...silly stuff indeed...
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Post by novisnick on Apr 4, 2015 23:02:55 GMT -5
1) If you're looking to vinyl because you enjoy the ritual and tradition of: - Selecting the album, - mulling over the album cover, - carefully removing the disc and placing it on the turntable, - dusting the disc off with a fine brush, - gently placing the tonearm on the first groove,
...in the same manner a wine connoisseur opens and pours his bottle, or cigar connoisseur unwraps, trims and lights his cigar, then vinyl is for you. Vinyl is for gentlemen who enjoy anachronisms, ritual, tradition and music from the era of LPs.
2) If you're looking for superior sound, the vinyl is NOT for you. It's a hundred year old technology of dragging a steel pin thru a plastic groove. That advice from me; who owns a couple of thousand vinyl records, but doesn't own a CD player...
Sincerely Blair
ps Also consider buying a vintage player. I love my 30 year old Acoustic Research Turntable.
Amazingly, some "steel pins" can set you back several hundreds and even thousand of $$$$...silly stuff indeed... Done right,,,,,It's sooooo dang good!!! I've spent the whole evening enjoying a few LPs. LPs require you to listen to a compilation of music, not just a track. You get to know the artists style and a better understanding. But true, it's not for everyone.
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Post by Priapulus on Apr 4, 2015 23:03:26 GMT -5
<snip> It's a hundred year old technology of dragging a steel pin thru a plastic groove.
Amazingly, some "steel pins" can set you back several hundreds and even thousand of $$$$...silly stuff indeed... I confess that my "steel pin" is a (no longer available) elliptical diamond, set in the end of a titanium tube... /b
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 4, 2015 23:04:53 GMT -5
That's easy. Project, Music Hall, Rega.
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 4, 2015 23:11:14 GMT -5
Amazingly, some "steel pins" can set you back several hundreds and even thousand of $$$$...silly stuff indeed... Done right,,,,,It's sooooo dang good!!! I've spent the whole evening enjoying a few LPs. LPs require you to listen to a compilation of music, not just a track. You get to know the artists style and a better understanding. But true, it's not for everyone. Precisely. I grew up listening to LPs and I would not mind listening to vinyl once in a while. I do in fact have an old Pioneer turntable but I need a phono preamp.
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 4, 2015 23:12:48 GMT -5
I would suggest to get an old used turntable to see how like dealing with LPs and go from there...
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Post by novisnick on Apr 4, 2015 23:17:26 GMT -5
That's exactly why I offered to sell one of the three TT I'm willing to part with.the other two would be at a higher price point!!
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Post by villock on Apr 4, 2015 23:24:41 GMT -5
Amazingly, some "steel pins" can set you back several hundreds and even thousand of $$$$...silly stuff indeed... Done right,,,,,It's sooooo dang good!!! I've spent the whole evening enjoying a few LPs. LPs require you to listen to a compilation of music, not just a track. You get to know the artists style and a better understanding. But true, it's not for everyone. Amen Nickster. Done right, Vinyl is King
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 4, 2015 23:34:55 GMT -5
Done right,,,,,It's sooooo dang good!!! I've spent the whole evening enjoying a few LPs. LPs require you to listen to a compilation of music, not just a track. You get to know the artists style and a better understanding. But true, it's not for everyone. Amen Nickster. Done right, Vinyl is King Precisely! However, is not going to be cheap.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 4, 2015 23:38:26 GMT -5
Done right,,,,,It's sooooo dang good!!! I've spent the whole evening enjoying a few LPs. LPs require you to listen to a compilation of music, not just a track. You get to know the artists style and a better understanding. But true, it's not for everyone. Amen Nickster. Done right, Vinyl is King I think so as well, my German made 1968 Duel 1219 sounds so incredible, especially for its vintage.
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Post by creimes on Apr 4, 2015 23:40:40 GMT -5
Tried vinyl for a bit, sounds good but just not for me all the time and for the little I would actually use my vinyl gear I sold it to put towards the stuff I use all the time, vinyl was good but not superior to my digital stuff, I did own a Project Debut Carbon and loved the table so Project tables would always get my vote
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Post by novisnick on Apr 4, 2015 23:46:18 GMT -5
Tried vinyl for a bit, sounds good but just not for me all the time and for the little I would actually use my vinyl gear I sold it to put towards the stuff I use all the time, vinyl was good but not superior to my digital stuff, I did own a Project Debut Carbon and loved the table so Project tables would always get my vote Yep, you do have to have the time to relax and enjoy, lifestyle has a lot to do with TT ownership.
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Post by creimes on Apr 4, 2015 23:49:00 GMT -5
Tried vinyl for a bit, sounds good but just not for me all the time and for the little I would actually use my vinyl gear I sold it to put towards the stuff I use all the time, vinyl was good but not superior to my digital stuff, I did own a Project Debut Carbon and loved the table so Project tables would always get my vote Yep, you do have to have the time to relax and enjoy, lifestyle has a lot to do with TT ownership. Wait till the Cassette makes it's way back into the spotlight haha, knew I should have kept that old Technics cassette player
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Post by villock on Apr 4, 2015 23:52:42 GMT -5
Amen Nickster. Done right, Vinyl is King Precisely! However, is not going to be cheap. Nope, cheap it is not
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Post by novisnick on Apr 4, 2015 23:55:58 GMT -5
Yep, you do have to have the time to relax and enjoy, lifestyle has a lot to do with TT ownership. Wait till the Cassette makes it's way back into the spotlight haha, knew I should have kept that old Technics cassette player FF man!! Gotta love it!!!,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,
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Post by brand on Apr 5, 2015 7:49:22 GMT -5
I'll take a shot at this for Ya bud. I've advised many friends that have looked into TTs, A few questions first; Have you ever had a TT? Do you have any vinyl? You relize that if you go fully manual, you need to be attentive because at the end of play you have to lift the arm and needle off the LP. I'm not trying to belittle, some people just don't know. I've often sold/lent one of my cheaper TT so they could deside weather or not their up to owning a TT. You don't set it and forget it,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, If in fact you fall in love with vinyl,,,,,,,,your ruined,,,,he,,,he,,,, in a month you'll want to upgrade and have to sell your cheaper TT or start collecting them,,,,,,you sure you don't want to pay $100.00 to find out?? Anyway, any help I can offer, I'm here. I don't have enough experience with your TT selection, I'm sure there all about equal, others will chime in Im sure,,,, then there's the cartridge,,,,he,,,he,,,,they can run as high as the TT youre looking at!! Beware of getting hooked my friend!! I've owned extremly cheap TTs before and my dad has always had TTs. Currently he's rocking a higher up Pro-Ject (not sure of the model right now). I definitely want to go fully manual that's part of the charm for me. I also love the look and haptic of TTs. I'm not necessarly looking for "better" SQ just for something besides streaming/music server. I own very few LPs at this point but I'm always tempted to buy (I'm into house music amongst other things and there's tons of great records out there). Thanks for all the answers, my biggest question at this point is whether to get a TT with the phono stage built in or go seperates? Is it similar to AVR vs preamp + amps?
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Post by brand on Apr 5, 2015 7:53:47 GMT -5
1) If you're looking to vinyl because you enjoy the ritual and tradition of: - Selecting the album, - mulling over the album cover, - carefully removing the disc and placing it on the turntable, - dusting the disc off with a fine brush, - gently placing the tonearm on the first groove,
...in the same manner a wine connoisseur opens and pours his bottle, or cigar connoisseur unwraps, trims and lights his cigar, then vinyl is for you. Vinyl is for gentlemen who enjoy anachronisms, ritual, tradition and music from the era of LPs.
2) If you're looking for superior sound, the vinyl is NOT for you. It's a hundred year old technology of dragging a steel pin thru a plastic groove. That advice from me; who owns a couple of thousand vinyl records, but doesn't own a CD player...
Sincerely Blair
ps Also consider buying a vintage player. I love my 30 year old Acoustic Research Turntable.
Very nicely written and yes that is something I enjoy. I think it's important to keep a few things in life that "slow everything down a bit" in todays hectic society. Wine and vinyl are perfect for that! CDs never appealed to me and I'm not pursuing the SQ nirvana I just like the "sound" of vinyl.
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