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Post by novisnick on Apr 15, 2015 20:03:32 GMT -5
What CD player do you own?
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Post by novisnick on Apr 15, 2015 20:07:29 GMT -5
What do you want to accomplish? Better sound from a transport and a dac for a digital source?
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Post by brutiarti on Apr 15, 2015 20:26:51 GMT -5
I have and ERC-2 and tried the 3 but i didnt like it. Eventough it was more detailed i found it louder to the ERC-2 doing side by side comparison and almost distorted to my ears. Maybe i got a defective one or it didnt really go well with my system. Please share your toughts when you have a chance and hopefully it will go nice with your system you bursted my bubble!!!! Sorry man, i wasn't my intention. But I'm really curious about your thoughts when you get it. I tried to find a way to love it but i couldn't, like i said maybe a got a defective one. I shared my experience with emo about it but they pretty much said "just return it". Even i got the NAD M51 but i couldn't justify the 2k bill, the ERC-2 is just awesome. I replaced my SS preamp with a tube one and i like it a lot even more than the well regarded M51 as dac/preamp.
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Post by sahmen on Apr 15, 2015 20:47:19 GMT -5
Whatever CD player you have. The DC-1 has the same dac chip set as the ERC-3 , it just has a pair of them instead of just one. so add a DC1 to my ERC3? i'm confused The ERC3 already has the DC-1 DAC chip on board, and I think it sounds best (at least, in my own experience) when it connects straight to a pre-amp without another DAC (e.g. DC-1) in the interface. In your case, the DC-1 would become necessary only if you also want to use other Digital sources of music in your system (for example, an htpc, an apple tv, etc. etc or any source other than the ERC-3 that can be connected through the USB, AES/EBU, Spdif Optical, or coazial ports ). I personally won't buy both an ERC-3 and a DC-1 just for the purposes of playing CD music. In my system the ERC-3 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L chain sounds better to my ears than the ERC-3==>> DC-1==>> XSP-1 ==>>XPA-1L chain, but I do not necessarily consider that a knock against the DC-1. I think it is simply because, the DC-1 adds another unneeded additional DAC conversion to the chain, which is why the result comes out sounding slightly inferior to that of the previous configuration. I say this as a layman without any expert knowledge of what goes on beneath the hoods. All I am saying is that to my ears, the ERC-3 sounds best when it acts as a transport and sole DAC in my system.
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Post by brutiarti on Apr 15, 2015 20:58:41 GMT -5
so add a DC1 to my ERC3? i'm confused The ERC3 already has the DC-1 DAC chip on board, and I think it sounds best (at least, in my own experience) when it connects straight to a pre-amp without another DAC (e.g. DC-1) in the interface. In your case, the DC-1 would become necessary only if you also want to use other Digital sources of music in your system (for example, an htpc, an apple tv, etc. etc or any source other than the ERC-3 that can be connected through the USB, AES/EBU, Spdif Optical, or coazial ports ). I personally won't buy both an ERC-3 and a DC-1 just for the purposes of playing CD music. In my system the ERC-3 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L chain sounds better to my ears than the ERC-3==>> DC-1==>> XSP-1 ==>>XPA-1L chain, but I do not necessarily consider that a knock against the DC-1. I think it is simply because, the DC-1 adds another unneeded additional DAC conversion to the chain, which is why the result comes out sounding slightly inferior to that of the previous configuration. I say this as a layman without any expert knowledge of what goes on beneath the hoods. All I am saying is that to my ears, the ERC-3 sounds best when it acts as a transport and sole DAC in my system. i will have to disagree with part of your statement above. If you add the DC-1 to the chain between the ERC and the XSP there is no additional DAC conversion, as the DAC from the ERC will not be used
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Post by ncred02 on Apr 15, 2015 21:05:02 GMT -5
you bursted my bubble!!!! Sorry man, i wasn't my intention. But I'm really curious about your thoughts when you get it. I tried to find a way to love it but i couldn't, like i said maybe a got a defective one. I shared my experience with emo about it but they pretty much said "just return it". Even i got the NAD M51 but i couldn't justify the 2k bill, the ERC-2 is just awesome. I replaced my SS preamp with a tube one and i like it a lot even more than the well regarded M51 as dac/preamp. Do be sorry. I was just messing with you. I too added a tube pre. I only use my SS pre when I don't feel like waiting for my tubes to warm up. Ill post my thoughts when it gets here.
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Post by ncred02 on Apr 15, 2015 21:06:34 GMT -5
The ERC3 already has the DC-1 DAC chip on board, and I think it sounds best (at least, in my own experience) when it connects straight to a pre-amp without another DAC (e.g. DC-1) in the interface. In your case, the DC-1 would become necessary only if you also want to use other Digital sources of music in your system (for example, an htpc, an apple tv, etc. etc or any source other than the ERC-3 that can be connected through the USB, AES/EBU, Spdif Optical, or coazial ports ). I personally won't buy both an ERC-3 and a DC-1 just for the purposes of playing CD music. In my system the ERC-3 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L chain sounds better to my ears than the ERC-3==>> DC-1==>> XSP-1 ==>>XPA-1L chain, but I do not necessarily consider that a knock against the DC-1. I think it is simply because, the DC-1 adds another unneeded additional DAC conversion to the chain, which is why the result comes out sounding slightly inferior to that of the previous configuration. I say this as a layman without any expert knowledge of what goes on beneath the hoods. All I am saying is that to my ears, the ERC-3 sounds best when it acts as a transport and sole DAC in my system. i will have to disagree with part of your statement above. If you add the DC-1 to the chain between the ERC and the XSP there is no additional DAC conversion, as the DAC from the ERC will not be used yes it would be digital out to the DC1
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Post by sahmen on Apr 15, 2015 21:21:41 GMT -5
The ERC3 already has the DC-1 DAC chip on board, and I think it sounds best (at least, in my own experience) when it connects straight to a pre-amp without another DAC (e.g. DC-1) in the interface. In your case, the DC-1 would become necessary only if you also want to use other Digital sources of music in your system (for example, an htpc, an apple tv, etc. etc or any source other than the ERC-3 that can be connected through the USB, AES/EBU, Spdif Optical, or coazial ports ). I personally won't buy both an ERC-3 and a DC-1 just for the purposes of playing CD music. In my system the ERC-3 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L chain sounds better to my ears than the ERC-3==>> DC-1==>> XSP-1 ==>>XPA-1L chain, but I do not necessarily consider that a knock against the DC-1. I think it is simply because, the DC-1 adds another unneeded additional DAC conversion to the chain, which is why the result comes out sounding slightly inferior to that of the previous configuration. I say this as a layman without any expert knowledge of what goes on beneath the hoods. All I am saying is that to my ears, the ERC-3 sounds best when it acts as a transport and sole DAC in my system. i will have to disagree with part of your statement above. If you add the DC-1 to the chain between the ERC and the XSP there is no additional DAC conversion, as the DAC from the ERC will not be used You're probably right, but what is indisputable is that, to me, the ERC-3 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L sounds better than the ERC-3 ==> DC-1 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L chain at the same volume level. If it is true that there is only one DAC conversion, then I cannot explain the disparate results. By the way, in the second chain, the ERC-3 connects to the DC-1 via the AES/EBU port. I would like to understand why it produces this kind of result.
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Post by badronald on Apr 15, 2015 21:42:16 GMT -5
I just purchased a Gustard Dac-X12 and absolutely love it. Same ESS DAC chip as the Oppo 105, but uses 4 channeLs "stacked per side. Check out my pictures on latest purchase tread
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Post by brutiarti on Apr 15, 2015 22:51:43 GMT -5
i will have to disagree with part of your statement above. If you add the DC-1 to the chain between the ERC and the XSP there is no additional DAC conversion, as the DAC from the ERC will not be used You're probably right, but what is indisputable is that, to me, the ERC-3 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L sounds better than the ERC-3 ==> DC-1 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L chain at the same volume level. If it is true that there is only one DAC conversion, then I cannot explain the disparate results. By the way, in the second chain, the ERC-3 connects to the DC-1 via the AES/EBU port. I would like to understand why it produces this kind of result. Gotcha! But... What about skipping the XSP and use the DC-1 directly to the amp? Any differences?
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Post by sahmen on Apr 15, 2015 23:47:30 GMT -5
You're probably right, but what is indisputable is that, to me, the ERC-3 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L sounds better than the ERC-3 ==> DC-1 ==> XSP-1 ==> XPA-1L chain at the same volume level. If it is true that there is only one DAC conversion, then I cannot explain the disparate results. By the way, in the second chain, the ERC-3 connects to the DC-1 via the AES/EBU port. I would like to understand why it produces this kind of result. Gotcha! But... What about skipping the XSP and use the DC-1 directly to the amp? Any differences? I never tried that, because I needed the XSP-1 for bass management, and HT bypass. But I could try it one day, just out of curiosity.
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Post by emovac on May 6, 2015 18:00:11 GMT -5
I have cleared some room on my rack and in doing so have a few $$ to spend. I was thinking either a new DAC to replace my 7yo Cambridge DAC magic or a replacement CD player. I am currently using my OppO BDP 83 as a transport with, eh, results. My thought was a ERC3. I was using the DAC with my ERC2 while I had it. Then theres a used Rega Planet. I have always wanted one, but used they are pricey. Any thought from you folks who know this stuff inside out would be great. Don't spend the farm on a CD transport. If you have the time and inclination, computer audio is where things are going. Rip them all and buy a renderer like a Sonos Connect, or JRiver Id. The new Oppos will play computer files too if you still want to have a disc spinner. I still have an Oppo 95, but sold my PS Audio CD transport since I didn't ever use it. That Cambridge Audio stuff is great. I just lucked into a clearance deal at my local Pacific Sales. Got a brand spanking new early version DAC Magic Plus for UNDER $200. I'll use it a headphone DAC/Amp at that price. Probably limited to 96k on the PC. Checking with England via email to see if it can upgraded to USB 2.0.
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Post by yves on May 7, 2015 4:09:07 GMT -5
What's a CD player?
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Post by vneal on May 7, 2015 7:21:11 GMT -5
105D
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