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Post by danm7043 on Aug 3, 2015 19:32:26 GMT -5
Hi!
I'm planning to get an ERC-3 player along with 2 XPA-1L amps as a SACD stereo system for the 2nd zone in the house.
I already have the XMC-1 preamp and the XPA-5 amp as part of the home theater system.
Can anyone tell me if the ERC-3 plays any type of SACD or just hybrid SACDs?
Also can I connect ERC-3 directly to XPA-1Ls . I'm trying to get a completely separate system for the second zone.
Any imput is welcome. Thanks!
Dan M.
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Post by brubacca on Aug 3, 2015 19:46:32 GMT -5
ERC-3 will only play the stereo layer of hybrid SACD.
Sorry.
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Post by teaman on Aug 3, 2015 19:56:03 GMT -5
I think you will need a preamp with that set up you are considering. I don't think you want to go direct from player to amp. Maybe even the Control Freak on the cheap!
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Post by garbulky on Aug 3, 2015 21:13:31 GMT -5
Yes the ERC-3 goes full volume and needs a volume control. The volume control or Schiit's sys passive pre-amp if you prefer a more box like solution. Both are around the $50 mark. However neither has a remote. The ERC-3 plays the regular CD part of the SACD (so no real DSD playback). If you plan to use the XMC-1 along with it, you could buy an Oppo 103 which plays SACDs and use HDMI to the XMC-1. This way you can play CD's and SACD's through the XMC-1.
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Post by knucklehead on Aug 3, 2015 21:29:43 GMT -5
An Oppo 103 might be the better choice. It has volume control over the analog outputs. Makes a dandy if somewhat limited preamp. And it will play SACD.
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Post by novisnick on Aug 3, 2015 22:25:22 GMT -5
Two quick questions.
1) what is your goal for this room?
a) digital two channel only?
b) analog in the future?
c) CD only?
d) combination of one or more?
e) room treatment?
f) room size?
2) What is your budget? Not including speakers?
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 3, 2015 22:56:31 GMT -5
I have an ERC-3 and a pair of XPA-1L's, with a USP-1 in between, heavenly  Cheers Gary |
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Post by unsound on Aug 3, 2015 23:07:44 GMT -5
An Oppo 103 might be the better choice. It has volume control over the analog outputs. Makes a dandy if somewhat limited preamp. And it will play SACD. Limited is right. I tried that with the 103 and a upa-2. But there was a significant buzz from the speakers that was clearly audible at the listening position. Oppo said it was not recommended with the 103. 105 may fare better. |
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Post by geebo on Aug 4, 2015 7:32:14 GMT -5
An Oppo 103 might be the better choice. It has volume control over the analog outputs. Makes a dandy if somewhat limited preamp. And it will play SACD. Limited is right. I tried that with the 103 and a upa-2. But there was a significant buzz from the speakers that was clearly audible at the listening position. Oppo said it was not recommended with the 103. 105 may fare better. My son used a 103 as a processor driving a UPA-500 for several months. It worked fine but it wasn't the most versatile processor ever. No buzzing. But it might be important to note that when playing DSD direct the volume control of the 103 will not work unlike the volume control of the 105 and DSD. |
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Post by mountain on Aug 4, 2015 8:22:14 GMT -5
I have the oppo 105 and have used it as the preamp running directly to the power amp. It worked fine. No noise. You can't go wrong with the 105, the DAC's are great, sounds great. But of course it's not a budget item.
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Post by unsound on Aug 4, 2015 10:30:58 GMT -5
Limited is right. I tried that with the 103 and a upa-2. But there was a significant buzz from the speakers that was clearly audible at the listening position. Oppo said it was not recommended with the 103. 105 may fare better. My son used a 103 as a processor driving a UPA-500 for several months. It worked fine but it wasn't the most versatile processor ever. No buzzing. But it might be important to note that when playing DSD direct the volume control of the 103 will not work unlike the volume control of the 105 and DSD. That is interesting. Not sure if that has to do with my setup, unit, or the differences in the amps. Of course, one would also need to have subs that have a volume control and an SPL meter to balance everything unless the speakers are full-range. |
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Post by geebo on Aug 4, 2015 10:41:32 GMT -5
My son used a 103 as a processor driving a UPA-500 for several months. It worked fine but it wasn't the most versatile processor ever. No buzzing. But it might be important to note that when playing DSD direct the volume control of the 103 will not work unlike the volume control of the 105 and DSD. That is interesting. Not sure if that has to do with my setup, unit, or the differences in the amps. Of course, one would also need to have subs that have a volume control and an SPL meter to balance everything unless the speakers are full-range. Well, like I said it wasn't the most versatile setup but it worked for him until he got my old UMC-1. The Oppo allowed for level matching of the 7.1 outputs. |
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Post by restless on Aug 4, 2015 11:40:22 GMT -5
Another option is the Emotiva SP-1 (Emotiva Pro - Electronics) for $299 that would go between the ERC-3 and the amps, providing control of volume and selection of other inputs. Cheaper than a OPPO-105, but using RCA between ERC-1 and SP-1.
My solutions was to use a XSP-1 Pre AMP for the ERC-1 to amp connections via XLR connections and using the RCA L/R to drive a Subwoofer for 2.1 sound from the ERC-1.
Another advantage of the XSP-1 is that you can link your other system to it via XLR (long distance??) from the XMC-1 to the L/R on the XSP-1 and then use the Home Bypass to play other sources from the XMC-1. Not sure how far your XMC-1 is from your 2nd zone, but IF you could run XLR cables between the two zones.
If distance is not a problem between zones, you could also use the XMC-1 to drive your 2nd zone speakers, and download the XMC-1 control app to your PC for control in the 2nd Zone. The app was developed by a Lounge member, and can easily control the XMC-1. search for XMC-1 PC Remote.
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Post by garbulky on Aug 4, 2015 11:43:26 GMT -5
The SP-1 does not provide volume control just selection of inputs (and a phono preamp).
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Post by wizardofoz on Aug 4, 2015 13:15:26 GMT -5
Dc-1 would be a good bet with several digital interface options and balanced out to boot. Or a control freak balanced version on the cheap. But no SACD support in the erc models
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Post by danm7043 on Aug 5, 2015 9:22:09 GMT -5
Thank you guys !
I actually have a Pioneer Elite 53 FD for the main zone.It plays Blu rays pretty good and it's able to play all SACD formats but not all the time.
That's why I decided to create a second zone just for quality music from SACDs. I can't run cables from zone 1.
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Post by Loop 7 on Aug 5, 2015 11:49:32 GMT -5
If you have a lot of SACD, definitely get a player that can read the high resolution layer. Oppo is an obvious choice but Sony and others make good products.
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