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Post by jdubs on Aug 19, 2015 20:59:37 GMT -5
Just ordered an XSP-1 in anticipation of what I want to do. Please see the list in my signature for what I'm working with. The REL is run speaker level and crossed over below my Dalis running full range (I can actually turn off my sub, and people are amazed how low my speakers can go, but I do need a sub(s) to really get the full effect). I'll continue using the XDA-2 as my DAC until that upgrade bug hits...
I've always wanted a sealed sub, and now I have my heart set on dual sealed. I really like what SVS has to offer, but I'm open to others. The Rhythmik is a close second. I ran the online "merlin" on svssound.com to suggest a match to my Dalis, and of course it recommended the SB13-Ultra (the most expensive). I guess my question is step down a level to SB-2000 and go dual or just go SB13-Ultra? I'll be using the LP/HP filters on the XSP-1. My speakers are rated down to 31Hz, so I can get away with a low HP; lowest on XSP-1 is 50 and I'll try that and play around with it. I'm more concerned with detail than slam, and this is 2-ch only.
My room is long and narrow; 30' X 11'2". The seating position is at the 62% spot adjusted slightly for best effect. The speakers are set-up using the Sumiko MASTERS technique and there are bass traps floor to ceiling in the front corners and acoustic panels at the first reflection points on either wall. I've moved the glass coffee table, but surprisingly to little effect. Behind the seating position is a desk, cabinets on the wall, a dart board and kids toys. I could do bass traps in the rear corners and some more panels, but I'm running out of room for that. (See my avatar)
Any and all opinions welcomed. I am also going to ask a rep at SVS what they recommend (maybe I'll copy this and send it to them!)
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Post by brutiarti on Aug 19, 2015 21:19:07 GMT -5
Sorry that my post is not about subs. But on a side note as dali owner i think that an XSP-1 is a great addition to your system. But those dual tweeters on the helicon can benefit from a better DAC so you will hear a lot of more detail. Good luck with your subs quest
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Post by jdubs on Aug 19, 2015 21:23:41 GMT -5
Sorry that my post is not about subs. But on a side note as dali owner i think that an XSP-1 is a great addition to your system. But those dual tweeters on the helicon can benefit from a better DAC so you will hear a lot of more detail. Good luck with your subs quest No worries. Any and all opinions! I appreciate the info on the XSP-1; I think so too. I like the simplicity of my system, but it's holding me back, so time to do upgrades. Yes, I could use a new DAC, but that is down the road a bit. |
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Post by pop on Aug 19, 2015 21:57:54 GMT -5
Definitely two smaller subs over one bigger one.
Did you look at PSA? Dual XS15se would be a substantial upgrade to two sb2000 and not too much more $$
The XS15se is more closely related to the sb13ultra than it is the sb2000. Not quite the performance of the sb13ultra, but not too far behind.
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Post by knucklehead on Aug 19, 2015 22:42:21 GMT -5
I have the best of both worlds - sealed subs for music if/when I like - but seldom use them since the song towers play very low. I have two sealed 12" DIY sealed subs and one 15" ported Elemental Designs A5-350. I also have a 12" DIY sealed sub in my bedroom setup. I've read all the pros and cons of using sealed vs ported when it comes to music. The ported converts can say what they want but for music I've yet to hear anything better than sealed. Are you at all interested in DIY? You can get some very decent results that will match what is available retail for roughly half the price. Check out the ' Marty Sub' thread on AVS if you have any interest in this direction. I think a couple of forum members here have built one or two and had excellent results. What that guy is doing is cutting to order subs and ships them in a flat pack. You pick the size - ported or sealed - buy your own driver and amp - put the sub enclosure together once you get it - plug it in and be prepared to be amazed. I haven't read of anyone getting bad results. Most guys finish them in a rough black which looks pretty good. Its kind of like truck bed spray on liner but not that rough. |
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Post by vneal on Aug 20, 2015 6:46:19 GMT -5
There are many subs to choose from. I have owned many but really like the JL Audio F110 . But the JL Audio F113 is just that much better and I probably will be be getting one soon. I will move the F110 to another room/system. Front-mounted controls make them a dream to set up and adjust, I like the adjustability and controls this brand offers over most of the competitors. Besides on and off the Fathom series have Automatic Room Optimization (AR), Calibration Mic, Demo/Test button, Defeat Button, Calibration Button, Input Mode Indicators, Level Mode, Master Level Variable, MAster Level Knob, Lights(Off -Dim-On), LP Filter(Off, 12db, 24 db) LP Freq(low pass selector between 30-130, ELF Trim(extreme low frequency trim)_12 to +2db.Polarity and Phase. All this on the front panel.   |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 6:54:01 GMT -5
Just an FYI. The whole "sealed is for music" and "ported is for movies" is hippy dippy balogna.
I dare you to be able to pick he difference in a blind test
With that said...
Psa xs15se will blow the sb2000 out of the water. I would look to psa or reaction audio (although they have huge lead times) both are much better bang for the buck than either rhythmic or svs
Not to mention they are both made in the USA
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Post by ac2011 on Aug 20, 2015 7:08:11 GMT -5
Definitely two smaller subs over one bigger one. Did you look at PSA? Dual XS15se would be a substantial upgrade to two sb2000 and not too much more $$ The XS15se is more closely related to the sb13ultra than it is the sb2000. Not quite the performance of the sb13ultra, but not too far behind. +1 to dual PSA XS15SE. And if you are not familiar with PSA, Tom and Jim are two of the original guys from SVS. I just picked up my second and haven't had any time to do any measurements, but Tom indicated to me that I could very get useable in room extension down to about 7.... (this of course various with room). |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Aug 20, 2015 8:39:08 GMT -5
Another vote for PSA. Easily the best money I have spent in this hobby. Not even close.
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Post by jdubs on Aug 20, 2015 9:25:09 GMT -5
Pop, and others... I do remember looking at PSA and for some reason gravitated toward SVS. I'm looking at them again and they are definitely high on the list!
Knucklehead, I had looked at DIY, but when I added things up with a decent driver it always came to too much money to justify. Plus, I like the idea of a proven combination. I'll look at the link you posted and take another look at this option.
Vneal, I like JL and had a sealed 8W7 (car) and loved it. One of the reasons I want to switch to sealed. BUT, they are way too much. Gotta save some money for my car hobby, too!
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Post by roadwar on Aug 20, 2015 10:45:43 GMT -5
Another vote for PSA. I love my new one. Smooth fill in on the bottom for music and plenty of punch for LFE in movie watching.
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Post by jdubs on Aug 22, 2015 16:12:47 GMT -5
XSP-1 stuck in a closet until I get my new XLR cables. I'll need to re-organize my rack and clean up a bit, too. Anxious to get it rockin' but also patient as I get into my 40s! I advertised the REL (emporium) to get a jump start; it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Still doing research on subs, but I am liking the PSAs.
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Post by jdubs on Aug 23, 2015 10:04:08 GMT -5
Another update; I've traded some emails with Tom at PSA. He recommends dual S1500s to match my components. That pushes the budget a bit. Any thoughts from the gallery here? Anyone have that model?
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Post by novisnick on Aug 23, 2015 10:10:29 GMT -5
Another update; I've traded some emails with Tom at PSA. He recommends dual S1500s to match my components. That pushes the budget a bit. Any thoughts from the gallery here? Anyone have that model? I haven't heard those subs but that being said,,,,,,Tom knows his stuff!!! If that's more then your current budget and your not in a rush, you may want to wait till he has a set on discount. Rarely, but every now and then he ( They ) will have a set returned. That's how I got a great deal on my pair of XV15 se, and I've never looked back!!,,,,,,, PS, I'm still in love with them, more so with DIRAC!! |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 23, 2015 10:13:55 GMT -5
Is this a PSA forum??,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,,,
Seems to be a few converts here!!!
Don't let their very affordable price make you think that they don't hit way above their price point!! Value per dollar is off the charts!!
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Post by sandtrooper on Aug 23, 2015 11:07:29 GMT -5
For the PSA owners here, I'm curious why you chose sealed or ported for your set-up? I'll be in the market for a sub in a few months, but not sure which would fit my needs.
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Post by novisnick on Aug 23, 2015 11:17:24 GMT -5
For the PSA owners here, I'm curious why you chose sealed or ported for your set-up? I'll be in the market for a sub in a few months, but not sure which would fit my needs. I've heard all the theories about the sealed being faster and better for music and wanted to see ( hear ) for myself if it was indeed true,,,,,,,,,,,It's not! IMHO I am a two channel guy,,,,,,,,87% to 92% music, the rest HT. the ported is every bit as fast and responsive IMHO! For HT the low extension is all that as well. I purchased a returned set and have yet to find a spot or mar on the cabinets. Excellent subs and very resonsive. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 11:35:28 GMT -5
Yup no difference
I ONLY went to sealed because I can take advantage of their shallow roll off in my small sealed room. It allows me to get very usable extension to 6hz. Which is an extra octave extension.
Ported are great for larger rooms that need he extra headroom with output.
You will. E hard pressed to hear the difference between the two
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Post by roadwar on Aug 23, 2015 15:17:39 GMT -5
My room is small and space is at a premium. So I went with the smallest Icepower box offered by PSA. It is great! Plenty of punch for movie LFE and beautiful realistic fill in on the bottom for music. I'm very satisfied with it.
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Post by dmraupp on Aug 24, 2015 14:46:43 GMT -5
Seaton Sound SubMersive all the way. Even Tom from power sound knows how good they are. from the following link: www.avsforum.com/forum/113-subwoofers-bass-transducers/1480773-seaton-submersive-hp-benchmark-sub-16.htmlQuote:Quote: Originally Posted by GrandPixel View Post Thanks I've been to these pages. In the photos, he just labels them "Submersive". I see the Maple finish is labeled Submersive HP. Anyway, I think I get it now. Sorry to cause a fuss, but it's just difficult to understand what he is offering. And thanks for the feedback. Also I've concluded that Submersive is not really for me. I've read several opinions that state they don't have the transient response I'm looking for. That's the first I have heard of that. I would spend some time looking through the various "GTG" (get together) threads here. I don't think I've seen a single one where the Submersive didn't score first for overall sound quality? And most of the demo material is usually music.
No one subwoofer is going to be the perfect fit for every room environment and set of personal preferences of course.
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post I'm wondering how the new PSA S3000i will compare? They look very similar. Similar but I would expect the Submersive to still have the edge in extension and output. It really it a benchmark.
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