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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 6, 2016 1:10:30 GMT -5
Panasonic DMP-UB900 The internal DAC is capable of handling hi-res files up to 32-bit/192kHz. Compatible formats include DSD, ALAC, FLAC, AAC, WAV and WMA. There are twin HDMI outputs, one for video and audio plus one that is audio only. There is an ethernet port for wired connection as well as dual-band wi-fi. Capable of resolution at 3840 x 2160, high dynamic range (HDR) and Rec. 2020 (very wide) colour space. Frame rates go up to 60p and brightness has a claimed range between 1,000 and 10,000 nits. UK price 600 pounds (about $US800), WhatHiFi review; www.whathifi.com/panasonic/dmp-ub900/reviewCheers Gary |
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Post by qdtjni on Apr 6, 2016 1:39:59 GMT -5
I have ordered one, but delivery was postponed until the 12th.
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Post by brubacca on Apr 6, 2016 7:28:57 GMT -5
Blue Ray is where I get off the train. Owned everything from BetaMax to Blue Ray. I'm done, stick a fork in me
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Post by bootman on Apr 6, 2016 7:59:46 GMT -5
I hope it correctly outputs 24p material at 10-bit 4:2:0 (bluray) vs forcing output at 12-bit 4:2:2 like the Samsung player does which is causing fits to certain panels.
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 6, 2016 8:38:02 GMT -5
Well it looks better than I thought it would be, but here's some quick look things I expect the Oppo to add.
- SACD & DVD-A playback
- Digital inputs to make use of the internal DAC
- 7.1.4 analog outputs (this Panny might do 7.1.2 if that 2 channel output can be reassigned, like my older model Panny Blu-ray does)
I'm sure there are more, but those things pop to mind immediately.
I'll be waiting for the dust to settle myself. The way Panny updates their own stuff, they will probably have a new and improved machine by September at the latest. And then there will be the Oppo.......
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Post by butchgo on Apr 6, 2016 10:18:49 GMT -5
Ahhh Oppo!!!!
Looking forward to it when it comes out for sure.....
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Post by jmilton on Apr 6, 2016 10:28:10 GMT -5
JJ (SECRETS) will be interviewing Jason Liao (Oppo) next week or so and he will be asking him specifically about the future UHD player from them.
Stay tuned...
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 6, 2016 18:13:32 GMT -5
Well it looks better than I thought it would be, but here's some quick look things I expect the Oppo to add. - SACD & DVD-A playback - Digital inputs to make use of the internal DAC - 7.1.4 analog outputs (this Panny might do 7.1.2 if that 2 channel output can be reassigned, like my older model Panny Blu-ray does) I'm sure there are more, but those things pop to mind immediately. I'll be waiting for the dust to settle myself. The way Panny updates their own stuff, they will probably have a new and improved machine by September at the latest. And then there will be the Oppo....... For me; I don't have any DVD-A's SACD I can live without, I have quite a few and I'm not sold on the sound improvement, mostly because it gets swamped by the mastering. There may well be a sound quality improvement but its hard to tell when there's no basis of comparison because the remastering is generally so different. Many times not to my liking either. I'm not a big fan of Oppo's DAC implementations, especially the Sabres, so I never use the digital inputs and analogue outputs on the 103 or 105. I also much prefer the sound quality from the ERC-3 for CD's. For blurays I currently have a Panasonic BD60 in my system, because it does everything that I want, looks and sounds (the way I have it connected) at least as good as the Oppo's. That said I probably won't even look at the UB900 as Panasonic Australia's pricing is beyond ridiculous. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 6, 2016 19:11:47 GMT -5
Well it looks better than I thought it would be, but here's some quick look things I expect the Oppo to add. - SACD & DVD-A playback - Digital inputs to make use of the internal DAC - 7.1.4 analog outputs (this Panny might do 7.1.2 if that 2 channel output can be reassigned, like my older model Panny Blu-ray does) I'm sure there are more, but those things pop to mind immediately. I'll be waiting for the dust to settle myself. The way Panny updates their own stuff, they will probably have a new and improved machine by September at the latest. And then there will be the Oppo....... For me; I don't have any DVD-A's SACD I can live without, I have quite a few and I'm not sold on the sound improvement, mostly because it gets swamped by the mastering. There may well be a sound quality improvement but its hard to tell when there's no basis of comparison because the remastering is generally so different. Many times not to my liking either. I'm not a big fan of Oppo's DAC implementations, especially the Sabres, so I never use the digital inputs and analogue outputs on the 103 or 105. I also much prefer the sound quality from the ERC-3 for CD's. For blurays I currently have a Panasonic BD60 in my system, because it does everything that I want, looks and sounds (the way I have it connected) at least as good as the Oppo's. That said I probably won't even look at the UB900 as Panasonic Australia's pricing is beyond ridiculous. Cheers Gary I don't have many DVDAs but the ones I do have I like very much. Also make my own LPCM DVDs to play hirez stuff Ive downloaded, so that's similar. Understand about SACDs. Agree they are certainly not all created equal. But when they are good they are spectacular. My Panny Bluray player, with 2 channel music, is certainly inferior to my Denon Universal player. Hence why I also believe its most likely inferior to the Oppo for 2 channel and multi channel in comparison. Just an educated guess though. I don't think I've ever read or heard anyone bragging up about any Panasonic gear sounding out of this world. Oppo is the complete opposite. I believe if there was a large scale poll of people pro vs con Oppo sound, you'd be on the decidedly loosing end Gary. Nothing wrong there, but many more people tend to like that sound you don't. Just the differences in the way we hear. Even Emotiva loves the way it sounds. It's an Oppo in their main equipment rack, not even their own CD player. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 6, 2016 20:13:23 GMT -5
]I don't have many DVDAs but the ones I do have I like very much. Also make my own LPCM DVDs to play hirez stuff Ive downloaded, so that's similar. Understand about SACDs. Agree they are certainly not all created equal. But when they are good they are spectacular. My Panny Bluray player, with 2 channel music, is certainly inferior to my Denon Universal player. Hence why I also believe its most likely inferior to the Oppo for 2 channel and multi channel in comparison. Just an educated guess though. I don't think I've ever read or heard anyone bragging up about any Panasonic gear sounding out of this world. Oppo is the complete opposite. I believe if there was a large scale poll of people pro vs con Oppo sound, you'd be on the decidedly loosing end Gary. Nothing wrong there, but many more people tend to like that sound you don't. Just the differences in the way we hear. Even Emotiva loves the way it sounds. It's an Oppo in their main equipment rack, not even their own CD player. Maybe it's just my musical tastes, but my success rate with SACD's is not all that good, so far it's about 15% that I believe actually sound better than the best CD or vinyl version. Which means I've wasted 85% of my time and money. No argument here, for CD stereo 2.1 music the Panny is nowhere near the ERC-3. I don't know how many people have back to backed the ERC-3 with an Oppo, I have with both a 103 and a 105. I could live with the 103 (which I do from time time) but I'm not a fan of the 105 Sabre DAC sound. Basically I just use my Panny as a transport for BD's, so its "sound" is pretty much irrelevant, what I hear comes from the UMC-200, XPA amps and Edward's speakers. People do choose Oppos for their universality, they play pretty much anything and for sure some do like the sound from their DAC implementation. I also think the picture quality from the Oppos is slightly better than average. They are also popular here because of their ability to be configured to play multiple zones (Aussies hate geoblocking). So I'm not sure that it's fair to say that the majority of people choose Oppo's for their superior sound, there are lots of other reasons. As for Emotiva, I'm confident that, like me, you have read Lonnie and Keith's comments on Oppo's Sabre DAC implementation.  Cheers Gary |
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Post by KeithL on Apr 7, 2016 8:52:54 GMT -5
I'd have to say that I don't find SACDs at all compelling. Yes, I've definitely heard SACD versions of some albums that sound better than the CD - however, whenever I've converted one into PCM, the difference has remained intact (which means that it sounds better because it's mastered differently - and NOT because the SACD format itself sounds any better). Unfortunately, there's no practical/legal way to RIP an SACD due to their copy protection - so you can only try this if you have DSD FILES rather than SACD discs, or if you've "acquired" SACD RIPs somewhere, or if you have a player that is willing to play the SACD and output it as PCM (like Oppos do). Note that, if you DO have DSD files, from whatever sources, both jRiver and FooBar2000 WILL convert them to PCM in software for you so you can compare them. (I believe dBPowerAmp does as well - but I'm not sure there.) Also, just to set the record straight about Oppos. Most of us here like Oppos because they simply play almost everything you throw at them with no problems - including a wide variety of computer-generated video files, and every disc format you're likely to run across, which is very cool (they REALLY are UNIVERSAL in that regard). They are also arguably the most popular brand of high-end universal player around, so many of our customers use them, and they do play SACDs, and output DSD, and convert to PCM, and all sorts of other really nice features. They also seem to be VERY reliable compared to most other brands. I can also say that I personally have never heard any other player, AT ANY PRICE, that does anything that matters to me any better than an Oppo does it. However, I have my Oppo 93 connected to my XMC-1 using HDMI, which is a digital connection, so I can't really say that I think it SOUNDS any better than anything else. I seem to recall the analog outputs on the Oppo 93/103 sounding just fine - but I don't use them (and the digital output on a $49 player isn't going to sound any different - it will just probably play less stuff properly, screw up more often, and take longer to load a disc). Now, the analog outputs on the Oppo 95/105 use the Sabre DAC - which definitely has a distinct sound of its own, and is definitely something that you either like or don't like (while they definitely are NOT neutral, I personally think they sound nice with some content, but Big Dan doesn't really like them at all). Remember that the DAC ONLY makes a difference if you're using the analog outputs. I recently bought a Samsung TV, and I've been very impressed with how well it works, so, if I was buying a 4k disc player today, it would be the Samsung (for less than half the price of the Panasonic). However, since there are VERY few movies that I consider worthwhile out on 4k yet anyway, I'm hoping to hold out for the 4k Oppo. Note that, if you're considering a current Oppo model, and you don't care about the analog outputs, then you're paying a huge price jump from the 103 to the 105 for a few extra features (which, while cool if you plan to use it as a "pre/pro lite", aren't especially useful if you're just using it as a transport). For me; I don't have any DVD-A's SACD I can live without, I have quite a few and I'm not sold on the sound improvement, mostly because it gets swamped by the mastering. There may well be a sound quality improvement but its hard to tell when there's no basis of comparison because the remastering is generally so different. Many times not to my liking either. I'm not a big fan of Oppo's DAC implementations, especially the Sabres, so I never use the digital inputs and analogue outputs on the 103 or 105. I also much prefer the sound quality from the ERC-3 for CD's. For blurays I currently have a Panasonic BD60 in my system, because it does everything that I want, looks and sounds (the way I have it connected) at least as good as the Oppo's. That said I probably won't even look at the UB900 as Panasonic Australia's pricing is beyond ridiculous. Cheers Gary I don't have many DVDAs but the ones I do have I like very much. Also make my own LPCM DVDs to play hirez stuff Ive downloaded, so that's similar. Understand about SACDs. Agree they are certainly not all created equal. But when they are good they are spectacular. My Panny Bluray player, with 2 channel music, is certainly inferior to my Denon Universal player. Hence why I also believe its most likely inferior to the Oppo for 2 channel and multi channel in comparison. Just an educated guess though. I don't think I've ever read or heard anyone bragging up about any Panasonic gear sounding out of this world. Oppo is the complete opposite. I believe if there was a large scale poll of people pro vs con Oppo sound, you'd be on the decidedly loosing end Gary. Nothing wrong there, but many more people tend to like that sound you don't. Just the differences in the way we hear. Even Emotiva loves the way it sounds. It's an Oppo in their main equipment rack, not even their own CD player. |
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