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Post by bluemeanies on Aug 8, 2016 15:36:19 GMT -5
I'm going to the Paul McCartney concert next weekend. I'll see how many "Boomers" are there, how many like me (Gen X) born after their last album are there and how many "kids" (Millennials) are there. I've got a feeling there be plenty of each there. I am sorry because Paul is a legend. But he is at the top of my current list of worst singing voice. Mark I agree that "the old grey mare is not what he use to be" BUT for 74 years of age I bet Sir Paul could run circles around a lot of young bucks playing that bass, while his singing may not be what it was as little as three years ago (last time I see him in concert) he can still carry the weight.
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 8, 2016 16:49:35 GMT -5
While people are still going ape S_ _ _t over the 20th remastered version of "Stairway to Heaven" What, picking on LZ? Well, on the CD front it's officially only 5 I believe. Although those Japanese folks have a way of making up their own masterings just to sell discs (like the SHM snake oil, or the completely un-listenable Celebration Day discs). Of course there are also several vinyl versions through out the years if you want to count those as separate, but I'm certainly no expert as to what those all are. CD's1980s Sidore 1990 Marino 2001 Retro Active Promo Box 2007 Davis 2014 Davis Back on topic.....The Beatles are certainly one of the greatest Rock and Roll bands of all time, and I don't think their influence or music will fade away for quite some time. As to what their best or greatest album is, I really don't have an opinion. Don't even ask me how many of their albums I actually own.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 8, 2016 17:22:08 GMT -5
I am sorry because Paul is a legend. But he is at the top of my current list of worst singing voice. Mark Wow ... you keep a list of worst singing voices?
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Post by Axis on Aug 8, 2016 17:27:06 GMT -5
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Post by FLcanuck on Aug 8, 2016 17:39:14 GMT -5
And, as always, I'll be the turd in the punchbowl... Yes, the Beatles were an amazingly good band. Yes, the Beatles were amazingly innovative in the studio. Yes, the Beatles were a transformative cultural phenomenon. But we're still Beatles fans BECAUSE we lived through their introduction & their cultural impact. Decades from now, will people still play Beatles songs? As much as we'd like to think so, I'm doubting it. Why? A friend of mine who is a GENIUS elementary school teacher exposes her kids to all sorts of music (including the Beatles). She reports that Beatles music, for kids that age, is mostly a yawn. They just don't like it or get it. The music is important (and the group is important) to those of us who lived through it. For those who DIDN'T live through it, it seems to have far, far less traction. The Brittney Spears generation hasn't "grown into" being Beatles fans, and they never will. The rap generation hasn't either. The "classic" pop music for them (as it was for us) is the music that was popular when they were coming of age. So like it or not, as we die off, the Beatles die off with us. Their music may be a curiosity for some time to come, but they'll never be played again in another 50 years. Deal with it.Boom... gotta disagree with you on this one. If you were in elementary school and forced to listen to Miles Davis or Duke Ellington or Scott Joplin, you probably wouldn't "get it" either - I know it would have been a total "yawn" for me at that age. But now I listen to classical, jazz, big band, etc. on a regular basis and thoroughly enjoy it - genres that certainly weren't what I grew up with or liked as a kid/early to mid teens. I have 2 kids in their early/mid 20s who have both become more interested in "old" music. When they were in high school, they hated the music I played and were only listening to rap, hip-hop, country, etc. But now, one of them can't get enough of Dylan, The Doors, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Allman Brothers Band, Neil Young, Jim Hendrix, etc., and the other has become a fan of bands like Hall & Oates, Bryan Adams, Heart, etc. ...go figure ...I guess they really were listening to my music after all. There's a regional band (Black Jacket Symphony) that performs complete albums of classic rock bands (Beatles, Who, Eagles, Journey, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, etc.) and they did Abbey Road and Who's Next at one show last year. There were quite a few "young" people in attendance, and in fact, there was a young girl sitting next to me who was probably 13 or 14 and she knew all the lyrics to the songs on Abbey Road and was having a great time - definitely not forced to be there. I've seen plenty of young fans at most of the live shows I attend that would be considered "classic rock" or "old" bands or not "hip". So, I believe there's hope these old 60s and 70s bands will live on, even 50 or 100 years from now. Another glimmer of hope ...I'm also seeing the younger generation(s) are increasingly embracing music festivals, which expose them to many different genres of music and different generations of musicians, and often a newer band jamming with some "old dudes" or some old band (or what's left of them ) jamming with some new young dude. One last observation ...I typically see younger folk anywhere I'm searching for/browsing vinyl - and they're often looking for the "old" stuff like The Beatles, Zeppelin, Stones, etc. Granted, it may be a "novelty" for some of them, but it still keeps the bands relevant. In fact, I feel down right old and almost out of place in the shops I've visited on Record Day - almost all youngsters. Musical tastes change, and often expand over time for many people, so assuming just because a grade schooler or a Britney Spears generation kid doesn't find the Beatles to their liking they will become a forgotten band is a tenuous assumption IMO. Have some faith in the youngsters! To quote an old dude ...Rock & Roll Will Never Die
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 8, 2016 18:10:11 GMT -5
I hope you're right, FLcanuck - Time will tell.
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Post by Axis on Aug 8, 2016 21:55:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 2:41:10 GMT -5
Musical skills don't last forever. Voices change with age and fingers lose their flexibility, precision, and speed. In his prime, Sir Paul had his chops down just fine. Maybe, but his musical and song writing skills will last forever. Dylan never had a voice to start with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 2:44:18 GMT -5
First, understand that I'm not big into poetry or lyrics. I certainly do enjoy lyrics but for me the melody is king. Writing intense lyrics like Dylan's Positively 4th Street or Don McLean's American Pie, I believe is a real skill quite similar to great poetry. But my love of music has always been partial to the melody. Writing excellent lyrics is difficult and an enviable skill. However, composing a wonderful and lasting melody is a skill very few songwriters of any musical genre or period possess. Think back some years, decades or even centuries to any group or songwriter in modern music of any type. Try to identify one that has written more than a handful of truly memorable song melodies ..... there aren't very many. I went thru the list of 237 recorded Beatles original compositions and checked off 50 plus that I considered to be very pleasant, romantic and memorable melodies. One way I use to determine what is a memorable melody is which songs are covered by instrumental groups and orchestras that do full albums of Beatles covers. Also check how many covers have been produced of any particular popular song (Frank Sinatra, 493 covers ----- The Beatles, 2710 covers ..... The Beatles/Lennon have 5 out of the top 10 most covered). Who is considered to be the best pop songwriters of all time (Dylan #1, Paul McCartney #2, John Lennon #3 --- Rolling Stone.com). As far as the most played songs in the 20th century on American radio and TV, The Beatles tie with Simon and Garfunkel for #1. I can see in the future, 50-100 years or more, a pianist sitting down at the piano and playing a long extended medley of the Beatles best melodies and love songs, without identifying the source. Most of the listeners will spontaneously remark: Oh what beautiful music! (Try that with some songs from Nirvana or Pearl Jam.) Not to get into the which Beatle was the best, but in my book Paul was the musical/melodic genius, with lots of romantic and fun lyrics. John was more serious, deep into the melody and lyrics with a tendency towards the sad and depressed. (Hell, if you had to be around Yoko Ono all day you'd be depressed too!) Yesterday, written entirely by Paul McCartney, is the most widely recorded song of all-time. To date, at least 4,000 plus different versions of the classic Beatles tune have been recorded by various artists. It was released on the Beatles Help! album in 1965. The song was never released as a single in Britain until after the band had officially split up (the Yesterday as a single idea was vetoed by John, George and Ringo ..... no jealousy there!). In 1997, Yesterday was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame. It was voted the best song of the 20th century in a BBC2 poll of music experts and listeners. It was voted #1 pop song of all-time by MTV and Rolling Stone magazine. Broadcast Music Incorporated (BMI) asserts that Yesterday was performed over 7 million times in the 20th century. (That's almost more than Happy Birthday!) Some Lounge Lizard above posted: Decades from now, will people still play Beatles songs? As much as we'd like to think so, I'm doubting it.50 years ago (5 decades) the Beatles released Yesterday, Eleanor Rigby, I'll Follow The Sun, Michelle, plus more. If we say 4.5 - 5 decades I could list Let It Be and then go on and on with many songs. I think we will be hearing Beatles songs for many decades to come, original, covered and as instrumentals. Chuckie, I agree with you 100%!Long live the Beatles and their music. Go Hawks!
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Post by mfeust on Aug 11, 2016 14:34:22 GMT -5
I am sorry because Paul is a legend. But he is at the top of my current list of worst singing voice. Mark Wow ... you keep a list of worst singing voices? I keep several different lists and now you are on one of them.
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