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Post by SOWK on Sept 2, 2016 9:26:49 GMT -5
Since the Dirac stores itself as a preset and you have to pre-select the speaker configuration... Dirac may not even work in DTS X/Atmos modes....
Unless they add 7.2.4 to the Dirac Software suite I don't see how we can use DTS X and Atmos and keep Dirac Active at the same time.
Please someone tell me I'm wrong... I wanted to buy the XMC-1 but not if I can't get DTS X / Atmos and Dirac working at the same time.
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 2, 2016 9:36:52 GMT -5
We won't know until closer to implementation next summer what the upgrade will be capable of and what it won't. It's been said, somewhere, that it will have full implementation across all speakers. But, that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. And, don't get me wrong; not throwing shade on Emotiva. It's just that no one on the Lounge knows for sure and Emotiva won't give specifics until closer to launch of the product/upgrade. The good news is that you have at least a year to wait until you have to make your decision. But, if you have to make it soon the best advice anyone can give you is, do you feel lucky today?
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Post by SOWK on Sept 2, 2016 9:40:33 GMT -5
"But, if you have to make it soon the best advice anyone can give you is, do you feel lucky today?"
No... Not really... LOL
I will have to wait it out.
I have a very set goal in mind and if this can't do it for sure I can not commit.
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 2, 2016 10:03:29 GMT -5
I'm sure they'll release details closer to the launch of the update. Once it's on their webpage you can take it to the bank.
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Post by SOWK on Sept 2, 2016 10:24:27 GMT -5
That doesn't help me or the seller today... But such is life.
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 2, 2016 10:29:48 GMT -5
Interesting about Dirac.......for myself (I've had the XMC1 for nearly two years now).
Dirac has been one of the major selling points of the unit. Here we have yet another concern about Dirac implementation now involving Atmos and dtsx.
I'm curious about how many users like myself MIGHT be out there who couldn't care LESS about DIRAC.....and simply utilize the VERY powerful manual room correction settings, back those up and simply trust their ears.
I purchased the XMC for other reasons and it has delivered the goods on everything I was looking for.
The sound is superb and like an elixir, I cannot get my day going without it.
One day I'll whip out the microphone and give dirac a shot....in the meantime, you can keep it!
Bill
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Post by sycraft on Sept 2, 2016 12:36:30 GMT -5
Since the Dirac stores itself as a preset and you have to pre-select the speaker configuration... Dirac may not even work in DTS X/Atmos modes.... Unless they add 7.2.4 to the Dirac Software suite I don't see how we can use DTS X and Atmos and keep Dirac Active at the same time. Please someone tell me I'm wrong... I wanted to buy the XMC-1 but not if I can't get DTS X / Atmos and Dirac working at the same time. Dirac sells licenses for as many outputs as a company wants to implement. If you want to see a device with lots of I/O and Dirac, look at the Datasat AP20 (or Datasat RS20i for the consumer variant) does 16-channel Dirac Live for large theatre configurations. That is part of the reason why Atmos will require a new, expensive, board. They need more DSP power to handle all the filters, and they'll need to license more channels of Dirac Live. Dirac charges vendors by how many channels their implementation supports. It isn't a problem though: You throw enough DSP at it, and pay the license, Dirac can be set up for as man channels as you like. Since it is a system where channels are optimized independently (as the majority of room correction these days does) it doesn't matter how many channels it has, it doesn't change anything in how it works. |
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Post by fbczar on Sept 2, 2016 13:11:15 GMT -5
Interesting about Dirac.......for myself (I've had the XMC1 for nearly two years now). Dirac has been one of the major selling points of the unit. Here we have yet another concern about Dirac implementation now involving Atmos and dtsx. I'm curious about how many users like myself MIGHT be out there who couldn't care LESS about DIRAC.....and simply utilize the VERY powerful manual room correction settings, back those up and simply trust their ears. I purchased the XMC for other reasons and it has delivered the goods on everything I was looking for. The sound is superb and like an elixir, I cannot get my day going without it. One day I'll whip out the microphone and give dirac a shot....in the meantime, you can keep it! Bill Whenever you do get around to Dirac be sure to buy the "Full" version. The ability to create custom room curves is a very big deal, especially if your subwoofer is important to you. |
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 2, 2016 13:32:40 GMT -5
Inexpensive enough.
The sub is a top priority (Velodyne HGS 18). Working beautifully with my manual configuration. Hope Dirac doesn't screw it up as has been a common complaint here
Bill
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Post by fbczar on Sept 2, 2016 13:59:05 GMT -5
Inexpensive enough. The sub is a top priority (Velodyne HGS 18). Working beautifully with my manual configuration. Hope Dirac doesn't screw it up as has been a common complaint here Bill Dirac Full will initially set a default curve. Basically is boosts the bass a couple of db and attenuates the higher frequencies about 2db. In my case I prefer a flat EQ from about 800Hz upward. I also like to boost the subwoofer by about 8db from about an octave above the crossover point of my main front L&R speakers to the point where the subwoofers roll off. The custom curve follows the default curve fairly closely, but it is on a higher level. I also find it beneficial to pull the entire curve down 2db to 5db so that Dirac will not have to boost anymore than necessary. That will effect your main volume level a little, but 5db is general not an issue. Anyway, Dirac can provide a nice, seamless curve and provide the subwoofer boost you like. It just takes a little experimentation relative to learning how to set up your microphone for measuring the room and determining the best level for your subwoofer. |
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Post by cwt on Sept 4, 2016 0:51:48 GMT -5
Since the Dirac stores itself as a preset and you have to pre-select the speaker configuration... Dirac may not even work in DTS X/Atmos modes.... Unless they add 7.2.4 to the Dirac Software suite I don't see how we can use DTS X and Atmos and keep Dirac Active at the same time. Please someone tell me I'm wrong... I wanted to buy the XMC-1 but not if I can't get DTS X / Atmos and Dirac working at the same time. Its something I seem to recall Big Dan mentioning about using the ceiling speakers as well as the bed channels . I mentioned it somehere as the arcam avr/pre's were getting a firmware upgrade for their dirac ceiling speakers ; aah here it is - emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/814555/threadThanks to the extra dsp power sycraft mentioned we may even get dirac unison  ; emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/819414/thread |
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Post by sycraft on Sept 5, 2016 2:42:55 GMT -5
It will likely all come down to cost. How much does Dirac want in licensing for various features, and how big a DSP does it take to offer those? Emotiva will have to decide how much the market will bear in regards to that. Licensing is a huge part of that, I imagine. Dirac seems to charge a lot for their stuff. So even if they can get DSP power for 7.2.4, 96kHz, and Unison if Dirac wants a grand to license that it almost certainly won't happen because it'd push the price of the system up too much. They've announced their target for the upgrade as $500, if they suddenly come back at $2000 not only will people be miffed, but they'd sell a whole lot less. Also timing could affect things. I don't know how far Unison is along. Dirac talks a lot about it, but I haven't actually seen it in a product yet. Supposedly the new variant of the Volvo XC90 has it, but I haven't seen anything on that and I don't know of any other products with it, including their own software. So it may not really be ready for prime time. Depending on how far off it is, Emotiva might elect to skip it because though it is a very neat idea (Ambisonics brought under the hammer of modern DSP) there is a need to ship products in a reasonable time and not wait forever for cool stuff. So if it is delayed too long maybe they decide to ship with just Atmos and Dirac Live and forgo Unison. Who knows, we'll have to see when they release it. Hopefully the release date doesn't slip too much. I think Emotiva has bitten off a little too much lately and they are working to get all their products finalized and out on the market. |
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Post by cwt on Sept 6, 2016 2:06:59 GMT -5
It will likely all come down to cost. How much does Dirac want in licensing for various features, and how big a DSP does it take to offer those? Emotiva will have to decide how much the market will bear in regards to that. Licensing is a huge part of that, I imagine. Dirac seems to charge a lot for their stuff. So even if they can get DSP power for 7.2.4, 96kHz, and Unison if Dirac wants a grand to license that it almost certainly won't happen because it'd push the price of the system up too much. They've announced their target for the upgrade as $500, if they suddenly come back at $2000 not only will people be miffed, but they'd sell a whole lot less. Also timing could affect things. I don't know how far Unison is along. Dirac talks a lot about it, but I haven't actually seen it in a product yet. Supposedly the new variant of the Volvo XC90 has it, but I haven't seen anything on that and I don't know of any other products with it, including their own software. So it may not really be ready for prime time. Depending on how far off it is, Emotiva might elect to skip it because though it is a very neat idea (Ambisonics brought under the hammer of modern DSP) there is a need to ship products in a reasonable time and not wait forever for cool stuff. So if it is delayed too long maybe they decide to ship with just Atmos and Dirac Live and forgo Unison. Who knows, we'll have to see when they release it. Hopefully the release date doesn't slip too much. I think Emotiva has bitten off a little too much lately and they are working to get all their products finalized and out on the market. Very valid points sycraft ; what hopefully may eventuate is a 2 tier basic option and optional unison ? As Dan said "We'd like to be able to offer it as an option" . This may even be left for the uber 16ch pre if timing is a factor ? Good reason to concentrate on the object codecs 1st indeed  |
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Post by bootman on Sept 6, 2016 8:30:54 GMT -5
To the OP:
What did they say when you called them about it?
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Post by KeithL on Sept 6, 2016 9:31:07 GMT -5
YES.
The Atmos/DTS-X upgrade includes a replacement - and more powerful - processor board.
The new processor board WILL provide Dirac Live for Emotiva room correction for all channels.
But you will have to wait until closer to release time for any more specific details. 
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Post by sahmen on Sept 6, 2016 9:36:35 GMT -5
Not meaning to derail the topic, but I have a couple of XMC-1 related questions :
1. Does the "Reference stereo" setting on the XMC-1 store itself as a preset?
2. since it is claimed that there is no processing going on at the reference stereo setting, and since there is no Bass management, do the speaker settings of Small/large apply when one is that reference stereo mode? I normally set my front speakers to "small" for all other purposes since I like to have my subs engaged. If I want to have the fronts set as "large" for reference stereo and only for reference stereo mode, do I have to modify any settings on the XMC-1? (This one of the reasons for question 1, regarding whether "Reference stereo" is stored as a preset)... I currently run my preset one in "Direct mode"
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Post by bootman on Sept 6, 2016 10:08:10 GMT -5
Not meaning to derail the topic, but I have a couple of XMC-1 related questions : 1. Does the "Reference stereo" setting on the XMC-1 store itself as a preset? 2. since it is claimed that there is no processing going on at the reference stereo setting, and since there is no Bass management, do the speaker settings of Small/large apply when one is that reference stereo mode? I normally set my front speakers to "small" for all other purposes since I like to have my subs engaged. If I want to have the fronts set as "large" for reference stereo and only for reference stereo mode, do I have to modify any settings on the XMC-1? (This one of the reasons for question 1, regarding whether "Reference stereo" is stored as a preset)... I currently run my preset one in "Direct mode" Page 19 of the manual found here: emotiva.com/resources/XMC_user_v30_manual.pdfDoes this answer your question?  |
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Post by sahmen on Sept 6, 2016 11:59:09 GMT -5
^^^ Hi Bootman: I read that passage from the manual over and over again before posting the above questions, because I was finding no direct answers to my questions and I needed more direct unequivocal answers in order to avoid any misinterpretations or guessing on my part. So I am afraid I am going to have to answer "no" to your question, although I can certainly let you know what I can infer from the passage:
1. Reference stereo mode can only be accessed directly from pressing certain buttons either on the remote or the front panel of the XMC-1, so it does not really belong in any preset.
2. Given that there is no bass management, it is indifferent whether front speakers are set to small or large, because stereo mode is going to send full signals to them any way, treating them like "large" speakers, and that is why one should be concerned if those speakers are indeed "small"... (Mine aren't really "small" in any literal sense, except that I prefer to set them as "small" in order to send LFE signals to the subs).
Are these interpretations accurate in your opinion? Let me now.
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Post by orangeLollies on May 10, 2018 4:38:59 GMT -5
1. Reference stereo mode can only be accessed directly from pressing certain buttons either on the remote or the front panel of the XMC-1, so it does not really belong in any preset. No, 'Reference Stereo' is not a 'preset', it's a 'mode'. It does however, use the speaker level settings within the current selected preset and the distance (if using digital input) settings within current selected preset. No matter what preset you're using, Reference Stereo mode ignore the speaker size settings. They are simply treated as full-range/large... Not sure if this was a question you needed answering, but... There is a discrete IR code (and API command) which allows 'Reference Stereo' to be selected with one remote button push or command, but you'll need a learning remote or greater to call it. Otherwise, it's a few buttons to get there... In which case you'll want to use 'Direct' mode, this is very close to 'Reference Stereo' mode, but you get bass-management settings of current selected preset. ....AND I just realised I'm responding to a two year old question - LOL - DOH! cheers Shane |
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