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Post by Percussionista on Jun 27, 2017 14:13:29 GMT -5
Announced in today's AVS forum newsletter, NAD will be making a few lines of amplifiers equipped with Dirac Live. At first I smiled at this thinking how odd, amps will have USB connections, but then thought further. Dirac Live is an "expensive" add-on, which is now added to your AV pre-pro - the component most likely to be swapped for a new one as new technologies come out - whereas the amplifier is the component least likely to change (arguably, maybe the speakers). So armed with such an amp you can have Dirac Live for a long time as you might switch out your AVP as its technology keeps changing.
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Post by macromicroman on Jun 27, 2017 14:29:16 GMT -5
Just saw this. Thought it was interesting.
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 27, 2017 15:32:25 GMT -5
Oh God!
My amplifier.....The one component that sits in place and does its job.....unaffected by anything, save a direct lightning strike. Now ridiculously complicated by a program that has found its way, most decidedly out of place.
Count me out!
Bill
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 27, 2017 15:48:02 GMT -5
By the way, I never knew what NAD stood for, so I looked it up:
N. -not
A. -another
D. -Dirac
change of plan, 👀's like😻
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Post by pedrocols on Jun 27, 2017 15:49:06 GMT -5
Aren't those Lyngdorf amps the same thing?
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 27, 2017 18:03:49 GMT -5
Digital stuff inside a power amplifier, yuk  Cheers Gary |
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Post by Percussionista on Jun 27, 2017 18:17:56 GMT -5
Oh God! My amplifier.....The one component that sits in place and does its job.....unaffected by anything, save a direct lightning strike. Now ridiculously complicated by a program that has found its way, most decidedly out of place. Count me out! Bill Hi Bill... I had several questions in mind as to whether such a Dirac/amp combo had reasonable merit, but posted the initial message to get responses to see what people think. For example, I don't remember if Dirac operates in the digital or analog domain - if digital, then it would require those new amps to digitize the incoming signal before doing the Dirac magic, or accept something like an HDMI connection to get the audio in digital mode. What would be "ideal" would be for the pre-pro to output it's audio stream in whatever domain Dirac needed. So, if it was digital, then the prepro would need, say, a 2nd HDMI-out (as an example) to process the audio, or if Dirac wants analog then would just take the normal analog-outs that go to the amplifier. I would expect that such amps would have a bypass switch to ignore Dirac if desired. Particularly interesting would be to be able to easily switch it on and off for comparison purposes. An annoying problem with having Dirac done at the last minute would be that, if you didn't quite like the curve that was generated, it seems like you would have to have a way to mod the dynamics of each channel at the amp, as an after effect to Dirac. And not just a volume control, but more of the stuff you get with parametric equalization. Starts making the amp quite a bit more complicated, needing a visual interface, etc., and no longer like "just an amp". If you mod'd the dynamics at the prepro to boost or decrease a channel's output, the Dirac process would try and eliminate that as well, so the dynamics mod would really have to be at the amp! I wonder what thought process has gone into worrying about such things. I guess more info will be available at Cedia in September when these debut. I be most skeptical ;-) |
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Post by teaman on Jun 27, 2017 18:20:30 GMT -5
Oh God! My amplifier.....The one component that sits in place and does its job.....unaffected by anything, save a direct lightning strike. Now ridiculously complicated by a program that has found its way, most decidedly out of place. Count me out! Bill I agree 100%! |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 27, 2017 18:51:57 GMT -5
Does that amp come with MQA. IF not, I'll pass!!  |
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 27, 2017 19:29:09 GMT -5
Oh God! My amplifier.....The one component that sits in place and does its job.....unaffected by anything, save a direct lightning strike. Now ridiculously complicated by a program that has found its way, most decidedly out of place. Count me out! Bill Hi Bill... I had several questions in mind as to whether such a Dirac/amp combo had reasonable merit, but posted the initial message to get responses to see what people think. For example, I don't remember if Dirac operates in the digital or analog domain - if digital, then it would require those new amps to digitize the incoming signal before doing the Dirac magic, or accept something like an HDMI connection to get the audio in digital mode. What would be "ideal" would be for the pre-pro to output it's audio stream in whatever domain Dirac needed. So, if it was digital, then the prepro would need, say, a 2nd HDMI-out (as an example) to process the audio, or if Dirac wants analog then would just take the normal analog-outs that go to the amplifier. I would expect that such amps would have a bypass switch to ignore Dirac if desired. Particularly interesting would be to be able to easily switch it on and off for comparison purposes. An annoying problem with having Dirac done at the last minute would be that, if you didn't quite like the curve that was generated, it seems like you would have to have a way to mod the dynamics of each channel at the amp, as an after effect to Dirac. And not just a volume control, but more of the stuff you get with parametric equalization. Starts making the amp quite a bit more complicated, needing a visual interface, etc., and no longer like "just an amp". If you mod'd the dynamics at the prepro to boost or decrease a channel's output, the Dirac process would try and eliminate that as well, so the dynamics mod would really have to be at the amp! I wonder what thought process has gone into worrying about such things. I guess more info will be available at Cedia in September when these debut. I be most skeptical ;-) Look where we're having to go with this...., Offering an amplifier with Dirac on board is like building a receiver and forgetting to put the receiver section in (if you get me). Bill |
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 27, 2017 19:45:54 GMT -5
Does that amp come with MQA. IF not, I'll pass!! Not just that but is it Atmos certified and THX certified? I would buy one if it had a volume control and maybe tone controls. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 27, 2017 19:50:15 GMT -5
Does that amp come with MQA. IF not, I'll pass!! Not just that but is it Atmos certified and THX certified? I would buy one if it had a volume control and maybe tone controls. Almost as crazy as; Nokia has unleashed four new smartphones at MWC 2017, including the Dolby Atmos-enabled Nokia 6. 
Cheers Gary |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 27, 2017 19:55:32 GMT -5
Not just that but is it Atmos certified and THX certified? I would buy one if it had a volume control and maybe tone controls. Almost as crazy as; Nokia has unleashed four new smartphones at MWC 2017, including the Dolby Atmos-enabled Nokia 6.
Cheers Gary 
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 27, 2017 20:04:51 GMT -5
Not just that but is it Atmos certified and THX certified? I would buy one if it had a volume control and maybe tone controls. Almost as crazy as; Nokia has unleashed four new smartphones at MWC 2017, including the Dolby Atmos-enabled Nokia 6.
Cheers Gary So that way you can tell if you're talking to a tall person? |
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 27, 2017 20:32:09 GMT -5
Was that over heard the conversation or overhead??
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Post by thrillcat on Jun 30, 2017 9:18:43 GMT -5
Announced in today's AVS forum newsletter, NAD will be making a few lines of amplifiers equipped with Dirac Live. "the company announced a new partnership with Dirac Research to equip select AVRs and pre/pros in NAD’s Masters and Custom Install lines with Dirac Live room correction." |
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Post by millst on Jun 30, 2017 13:36:52 GMT -5
I think it's an interesting concept. Yes, there is the extra AD-DA conversion, but now you can easily swap out your non-Dirac pre-pro/receiver...saving you money by not repeatedly paying for REQ. Also, no need to rerun a calibration every time you upgrade to keep up with the ever-changing HDMI spec. DSP in subwoofers and pro-audio amps is commonplace...
-tm
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Post by thrillcat on Jun 30, 2017 13:38:44 GMT -5
I think it's an interesting concept. Yes, there is the extra AD-DA conversion, but now you can easily swap out your non-Dirac pre-pro/receiver...saving you money by not repeatedly paying for REQ. Also, no need to rerun a calibration every time you upgrade to keep up with the ever-changing HDMI spec. DSP in subwoofers and pro-audio amps is commonplace... -tm "the company announced a new partnership with Dirac Research to equip select AVRs and pre/pros in NAD’s Masters and Custom Install lines with Dirac Live room correction." *NOT amplifiers |
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Post by millst on Jun 30, 2017 13:44:14 GMT -5
That is not what the title of the thread implied...
-tm
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Post by thrillcat on Jun 30, 2017 13:49:29 GMT -5
That is not what the title of the thread implied... -tm True. The entire thread has been based on a misinterpretation. |
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