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Post by Priapulus on Feb 16, 2019 7:40:22 GMT -5
So the XMC-1 is the son of UMC-1, a basketcase of torment. It's got fantastic audio, but is a lousy video switcher.
I'm very happy with my solution. I plugged my devices directly into the four HDMI input on the TV and use it as the switcher. The TV as switcher is instant and 100% reliable. My 4k DVD player is the same brand as the TV so they sync together perfectly. The TV apps are excellent, and make my AppleTV and Chromecase redundant.
I only use the XMC-1 as an audio processor, which it does an excellent job. I finally got ARC to automatically turn the XMC-1 ON/OFF with the TV; ARC also successfully passes my TV remote volume changes to the XMC-1. (But ARC still doesn't pass the actual audio so I have to use a fiber cable to feed the audio from the TV to the XMC-1.)
So, now I'm very happy with the XMC-1. I do all my controlling from my TV remote, get instant and reliable HDMI switching, and excellent audio from the XMC-1 and my Emo amplifiers.
Sincerely /b
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Post by mick on Feb 16, 2019 8:48:30 GMT -5
So the XMC-1 is the son of UMC-1, a basketcase of torment. It's got fantastic audio, but is a lousy video switcher. I'm very happy with my solution. I plugged my devices directly into the four HDMI input on the TV and use it as the switcher. The TV as switcher is instant and 100% reliable. My 4k DVD player is the same brand as the TV so they sync together perfectly. The TV apps are excellent, and make my AppleTV and Chromecase redundant. I only use the XMC-1 as an audio processor, which it does an excellent job. I finally got ARC to automatically turn the XMC-1 ON/OFF with the TV; ARC also successfully passes my TV remote volume changes to the XMC-1. (But ARC still doesn't pass the actual audio so I have to use a fiber cable to feed the audio from the TV to the XMC-1.) So, now I'm very happy with the XMC-1. I do all my controlling from my TV remote, get instant and reliable HDMI switching, and excellent audio from the XMC-1 and my Emo amplifiers. Sincerely /b Great idea. and do you have any problems with DV? what do you have connected to your TV? What cable do you run to the XMC-1? Are you running a cable from "audio out" from the TV to the XMC-1? sorry for all the questions, i still haven't installed my board due to all the issues, had the board 7 months now,
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Post by mgbpuff on Feb 16, 2019 8:58:47 GMT -5
So the XMC-1 is the son of UMC-1, a basketcase of torment. It's got fantastic audio, but is a lousy video switcher. I'm very happy with my solution. I plugged my devices directly into the four HDMI input on the TV and use it as the switcher. The TV as switcher is instant and 100% reliable. My 4k DVD player is the same brand as the TV so they sync together perfectly. The TV apps are excellent, and make my AppleTV and Chromecase redundant. I only use the XMC-1 as an audio processor, which it does an excellent job. I finally got ARC to automatically turn the XMC-1 ON/OFF with the TV; ARC also successfully passes my TV remote volume changes to the XMC-1. (But ARC still doesn't pass the actual audio so I have to use a fiber cable to feed the audio from the TV to the XMC-1.) So, now I'm very happy with the XMC-1. I do all my controlling from my TV remote, get instant and reliable HDMI switching, and excellent audio from the XMC-1 and my Emo amplifiers. Sincerely /b Great idea. and do you have any problems with DV? what do you have connected to your TV? What cable do you run to the XMC-1? Are you running a cable from "audio out" from the TV to the XMC-1? sorry for all the questions, i still haven't installed my board due to all the issues, had the board 7 months now, That's about as brilliant as using an engine block for a paper weight!
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Post by wilburthegoose on Feb 16, 2019 9:07:53 GMT -5
At the risk of banning for negativity, tonight something happened that has not before. I decided to do a complete boot cycle to see if it would fix (even temporarily) my lack of sound issue. When I turned it on tonight there was no sound again. Rather than toggling inputs, I held down the power button to do a complete power-down as described by Keith et. al. earlier. I let it sit a little bit (5-10 seconds) then powered it back on. It did the usual power-on of amps, then powering them off, then on again right as it finished booting (I really hate that!) and worked normally for a few seconds. Then it appeared to go to standby all by itself, and much to my horror started oscillating on and off a few (2-3) times a second, popping the amps (power and subs) on and off a few times a second and generally going nuts with LOUD pops to all speakers. I dived for the power strip and turned everything off but by that time one or two of the subs and the XPA-2 had gone into protect mode. I powered off the power amps (XPA-2/XPA-5) using the their rear-panel switches. After waiting a bit I turned the power strip back on, let things settle a bit, then powered the XMC_1 up again. This time it behaved normally so I brought up the power amps and actually had sound. After listening to all the drivers in all the speakers (and subs) and a change of underwear I decided to post and see if anything like this has happened to anyone else? Brought me back decades ago when you often had to be very careful how you powered on and off things to prevent damage... Curious - Don Don - Try unplugging your trigger cables and power on the amps by hand. See if it works. I'm betting it will, which means your trigger cables are probably bad/loose fitting.
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Post by donh50 on Feb 16, 2019 9:15:06 GMT -5
At the risk of banning for negativity, tonight something happened that has not before. I decided to do a complete boot cycle to see if it would fix (even temporarily) my lack of sound issue. When I turned it on tonight there was no sound again. Rather than toggling inputs, I held down the power button to do a complete power-down as described by Keith et. al. earlier. I let it sit a little bit (5-10 seconds) then powered it back on. It did the usual power-on of amps, then powering them off, then on again right as it finished booting (I really hate that!) and worked normally for a few seconds. Then it appeared to go to standby all by itself, and much to my horror started oscillating on and off a few (2-3) times a second, popping the amps (power and subs) on and off a few times a second and generally going nuts with LOUD pops to all speakers. I dived for the power strip and turned everything off but by that time one or two of the subs and the XPA-2 had gone into protect mode. I powered off the power amps (XPA-2/XPA-5) using the their rear-panel switches. After waiting a bit I turned the power strip back on, let things settle a bit, then powered the XMC_1 up again. This time it behaved normally so I brought up the power amps and actually had sound. After listening to all the drivers in all the speakers (and subs) and a change of underwear I decided to post and see if anything like this has happened to anyone else? Brought me back decades ago when you often had to be very careful how you powered on and off things to prevent damage... Curious - Don Yep, a faulty trigger cable caused it. Cheers Gary A faulty trigger cable caused the XMC-1 to cycle like that? I can see it causing the amps to cycle, but it was the XMC-1 itself, and I'd be surprised if a trigger cable went bad (haven't been touched since the v3 board install almost a year ago). I can test the cables, or buy new (there are five or six in my system plus the Emotiva trigger repeater), but is this a known thing? I can't decide if I need to call Lonnie or an exorcist. But I should probably drop a note in the email. I haven't in months because so many others were reporting the same things. I know the problem will be recreating the event; if it was a one-time thing it'll be impossible to troubleshoot unless they've seen it before. In the meantime I'm very nervous about powering the thing on and thinking about building something to manually control the trigger output. Cycling like that could do a lot of damage to a lot of things.
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Post by donh50 on Feb 16, 2019 9:22:03 GMT -5
At the risk of banning for negativity, tonight something happened that has not before. I decided to do a complete boot cycle to see if it would fix (even temporarily) my lack of sound issue. When I turned it on tonight there was no sound again. Rather than toggling inputs, I held down the power button to do a complete power-down as described by Keith et. al. earlier. I let it sit a little bit (5-10 seconds) then powered it back on. It did the usual power-on of amps, then powering them off, then on again right as it finished booting (I really hate that!) and worked normally for a few seconds. Then it appeared to go to standby all by itself, and much to my horror started oscillating on and off a few (2-3) times a second, popping the amps (power and subs) on and off a few times a second and generally going nuts with LOUD pops to all speakers. I dived for the power strip and turned everything off but by that time one or two of the subs and the XPA-2 had gone into protect mode. I powered off the power amps (XPA-2/XPA-5) using the their rear-panel switches. After waiting a bit I turned the power strip back on, let things settle a bit, then powered the XMC_1 up again. This time it behaved normally so I brought up the power amps and actually had sound. After listening to all the drivers in all the speakers (and subs) and a change of underwear I decided to post and see if anything like this has happened to anyone else? Brought me back decades ago when you often had to be very careful how you powered on and off things to prevent damage... Curious - Don Don - Try unplugging your trigger cables and power on the amps by hand. See if it works. I'm betting it will, which means your trigger cables are probably bad/loose fitting. Ooops, did not see Wilbur's post before replying to Gary's. I am still curious as to why a bad trigger cable would cause the XMC-1 itself to cycle, but will check the cables after work. Note after turning the thing on again it did just fine. And I have a number of trigger cables, from different outputs, to different components (two power amps, four subwoofers, and a trigger module -- I think I am using two of the XMC-1's outputs). If the XMC-1's trigger output were shorted by a bad cable I would not expect the XMC-1 itself to cycle like that but who knows. Maybe it has a sensing circuit on the trigger circuit? It was not just the amps -- the XMC-1 itself was rapidly powering up and down, going rom on (display lit up, blue power button) to off/standby (display off, yellow power button). Thanks to you both and I will check those cables. Edit: Note sent via the Emotiva support page, will see what happens.
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Post by tme110 on Feb 16, 2019 12:48:30 GMT -5
I finally got around to installing my v3 board - pretty quick and easy and have had no issue with my oppo 203 or Fire tv. Everyonce in a while I get a message that my tv doesn't support HDR but I'm guessing that's a cable issue. So all good and it 's nice to actually use my XMC that hadn't even been turned on the last 2 years.
Probably not the proper thread but how do I get sound to my tv? At night, I'd rather just use the TV speakers than power up my amps. Just trying to use the fire TV. I looked for settings on secondary audio etc but haven't seen any. go going HDMI from fire tv - XMC - sony TV.
thanks,
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 16, 2019 13:05:00 GMT -5
I finally got around to installing my v3 board - pretty quick and easy and have had no issue with my oppo 203 or Fire tv. Everyonce in a while I get a message that my tv doesn't support HDR but I'm guessing that's a cable issue. So all good and it 's nice to actually use my XMC that hadn't even been turned on the last 2 years. Probably not the proper thread but how do I get sound to my tv? At night, I'd rather just use the TV speakers than power up my amps. Just trying to use the fire TV. I looked for settings on secondary audio etc but haven't seen any. go going HDMI from fire tv - XMC - sony TV. thanks, Use “Video Remains On” as your XMC-1 standby option. You’ll find this under the “Advanced” settings in your setup menu.
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Post by jjkessler on Feb 16, 2019 13:11:45 GMT -5
Are there any expected upcoming software update coming soon for the XMC-1? It appears much of the effort has been with the RMC-1 and maybe some of that work could carry over to the XMC-1?
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Post by klinemj on Feb 16, 2019 13:43:41 GMT -5
Are there any expected upcoming software update coming soon for the XMC-1? It appears much of the effort has been with the RMC-1 and maybe some of that work could carry over to the XMC-1? One page ago, Hair Nick asked for volunteers to test some new code. So, we know they are working on something...if interested to try it as a beta tester, contact him. Mark
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Post by tesla on Feb 16, 2019 14:11:00 GMT -5
At the risk of banning for negativity, tonight something happened that has not before. I decided to do a complete boot cycle to see if it would fix (even temporarily) my lack of sound issue. When I turned it on tonight there was no sound again. Rather than toggling inputs, I held down the power button to do a complete power-down as described by Keith et. al. earlier. I let it sit a little bit (5-10 seconds) then powered it back on. It did the usual power-on of amps, then powering them off, then on again right as it finished booting (I really hate that!) and worked normally for a few seconds. Then it appeared to go to standby all by itself, and much to my horror started oscillating on and off a few (2-3) times a second, popping the amps (power and subs) on and off a few times a second and generally going nuts with LOUD pops to all speakers. I dived for the power strip and turned everything off but by that time one or two of the subs and the XPA-2 had gone into protect mode. I powered off the power amps (XPA-2/XPA-5) using the their rear-panel switches. After waiting a bit I turned the power strip back on, let things settle a bit, then powered the XMC_1 up again. This time it behaved normally so I brought up the power amps and actually had sound. After listening to all the drivers in all the speakers (and subs) and a change of underwear I decided to post and see if anything like this has happened to anyone else? Brought me back decades ago when you often had to be very careful how you powered on and off things to prevent damage... Curious - Don I may have experienced a similar situation a while back with my XMC-1, immediately following a firmware update. (Can't remember if it was after installing 5.3 or 5.4.) After the restart, the XMC began repeatedly powering itself off and back on until I yanked its power cord. I say "may have experienced" because power to my amps is controlled by outlets on a Panamax line conditioner that rely on a trigger signal from the XMC, and the turn-on delay in the Panamax's circuitry was long enough to prevent the amps from ever powering on at all. This particular flavor of weirdness occurred only once. I have since been forced on several occasions to hard boot the XMC in order to obtain sound and/or picture for my selected source, without ever experiencing that behavior again. Go figure. I always use the high-power standby mode on my XMC-1, because I refuse to wait for what, ever since installation of the V3 HDMI board, has become an extended period before the system is ready to operate. I realize that many are using the low-power standby mode as a workaround for some of the lingering weirdness with varying degrees of success, but that is simply unacceptable to me.
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Post by tesla on Feb 16, 2019 14:24:54 GMT -5
Are there any expected upcoming software update coming soon for the XMC-1? It appears much of the effort has been with the RMC-1 and maybe some of that work could carry over to the XMC-1? One page ago, Hair Nick asked for volunteers to test some new code. So, we know they are working on something...if interested to try it as a beta tester, contact him. Mark It is good news to read that Emo is working on a firmware update, and I hope it provides the silver bullet needed to finally put to rest the "no audio and/or video" issue that many of us are experiencing periodically. On an unrelated note, I seem to recall having recently read that the rollout of the Atmos/DTX upgrade for the XMC-1 has been pushed out to something like a December time frame. Can anyone confirm?
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 16, 2019 14:33:20 GMT -5
One page ago, Hair Nick asked for volunteers to test some new code. So, we know they are working on something...if interested to try it as a beta tester, contact him. Mark It is good news to read that Emo is working on a firmware update, and I hope it provides the silver bullet needed to finally put to rest the "no audio and/or video" issue that many of us are experiencing periodically. On an unrelated note, I seem to recall having recently read that the rollout of the Atmos/DTX upgrade for the XMC-1 has been pushed out to something like a December time frame. Can anyone confirm? Just out of curiosity, is your "No Audio" issues with certain components?
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Post by donh50 on Feb 16, 2019 14:47:43 GMT -5
Recently, about every other time I power on the XMC-1 there is no audio. The sources that I have experienced issues with are my Oppo UDP-203 and my old Comcast STB. Both are connected via HDMI. Cycling inputs once or twice usually fixes it but once I had to power cycle the XMC-1 and then toggle inputs again. It happened again the next time I powered it up so I did the power cycle step above and all heck broke loose. It powered up right after that; I'll cross my fingers and see what happens tonight. AFAIK that is the first time something like that happened; I have far too much in my system to tolerate that sort of behavior. Hopefully a one-time glitch. But I will check the trigger cables first.
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Post by JNieves on Feb 16, 2019 15:15:21 GMT -5
I realize that many are using the low-power standby mode as a workaround for some of the lingering weirdness with varying degrees of success, but that is simply unacceptable to me. I've gotten used to it surprisingly fast. Sad.
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 16, 2019 15:34:37 GMT -5
On an unrelated note, I seem to recall having recently read that the rollout of the Atmos/DTX upgrade for the XMC-1 has been pushed out to something like a December time frame. Can anyone confirm? Last post I saw from Lonnie said Q1, which we are half way through. Cheers Gary
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Post by tesla on Feb 16, 2019 15:36:34 GMT -5
It is good news to read that Emo is working on a firmware update, and I hope it provides the silver bullet needed to finally put to rest the "no audio and/or video" issue that many of us are experiencing periodically. On an unrelated note, I seem to recall having recently read that the rollout of the Atmos/DTX upgrade for the XMC-1 has been pushed out to something like a December time frame. Can anyone confirm? Just out of curiosity, is your "No Audio" issues with certain components? If only that were so, but no. I periodically experience this condition with all of my video sources. The situation is periodic and appears to be non-deterministic, i.e. each occurrence with any given source might be "just" no audio or "just" no video or both - it's like rolling dice. The startup sequence programmed into my Pronto Pro remote starts the components in this system in exactly the same order, with exactly the same delays every time. Yet, whether or not the problem will manifest itself on any given startup is a craps shoot. I have re-sequenced the startup order and changed the delay periods between commands for one component and the next more than once, looking for a reasonable workaround. No joy.
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Post by tesla on Feb 16, 2019 15:45:53 GMT -5
On an unrelated note, I seem to recall having recently read that the rollout of the Atmos/DTX upgrade for the XMC-1 has been pushed out to something like a December time frame. Can anyone confirm? Last post I saw from Lonnie said Q1, which we are half way through. Cheers Gary Q1 of this year? Considering the delays with the V3 HDMI rollout, I don't for a second believe there's a snowball's chance of an Atmos/DTX upgrade release that soon, but I WAS hoping for something earlier than Q1 2020.
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 16, 2019 15:50:01 GMT -5
Yep, a faulty trigger cable caused it. A faulty trigger cable caused the XMC-1 to cycle like that? I can see it causing the amps to cycle, but it was the XMC-1 itself, and I'd be surprised if a trigger cable went bad (haven't been touched since the v3 board install almost a year ago). I can test the cables, or buy new (there are five or six in my system plus the Emotiva trigger repeater), but is this a known thing? I can't decide if I need to call Lonnie or an exorcist. But I should probably drop a note in the email. I haven't in months because so many others were reporting the same things. I know the problem will be recreating the event; if it was a one-time thing it'll be impossible to troubleshoot unless they've seen it before. In the meantime I'm very nervous about powering the thing on and thinking about building something to manually control the trigger output. Cycling like that could do a lot of damage to a lot of things. I notice you are using a trigger repeater, but do you have your trigger cables in parallel (all the amps etc power up at once) or series (one amp powers up, then the next, then the next etc)? Mine is a combination of both, without a trigger repeater, in that the XMC-1 triggers the XPA-5. The XMC-1 also triggers the XSP-1 which then triggers the XPA-100 which then triggers an XPA-1L which then triggers the other XPA-1L. That way there is no surge on the XMC-1 trigger circuit, plus there is no huge demand on the power circuit from everything power up at once. Before the XMC-1 I had a UMC-200 configured the same way and excessive demand or a short circuit on the its trigger would cause cycling. I also found if I powered up everything at once using the same power conditioner the voltage drop at the UMC-200 would cause it to shut down. I now don't use a power conditioner and I have the gear split between 2 circuits. Cheers Gary
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 16, 2019 16:02:00 GMT -5
Last post I saw from Lonnie said Q1, which we are half way through. Q1 of this year? Considering the delays with the V3 HDMI rollout, I don't for a second believe there's a snowball's chance of an Atmos/DTX upgrade release that soon, but I WAS hoping for something earlier than Q1 2020. It was just before Xmas, but well after the RMC-1 launch with a large number of the problems with it identified. So I'm confident at the time Lonnie intended Q1 2019 Since then they have devoted a huge amount of time and effort to resolving the RMC-1 issues, so I expect a delay, but it was broad timeframe so he had already left room to move. As usual with Emotiva there seems to be a lot of serial (not parallel) software development going on. My best hope is that the RMC-1 issues will be sufficiently resolved with this software release and that they can get back onto the XMC-1 Atmos/DTS-X board. I'm not holding my breath, I have a couple of spare amp channels waiting, but no ceiling speakers or their wiring installed as yet. Cheers Gary
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