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Post by nospam on Aug 16, 2019 1:55:44 GMT -5
1.5 Firmware is our latest release that includes our all new designed bass management system. We expanded on our initial bass manager design and enhanced it to an incredible level of performance with all new proprietary algorithms. This update also fixes the few remaining issues that we received via customer feedback. Next up is Dirac. We have also been diligently working on the interface to link our system to their code. From our last meeting with Dirac we are hoping to have the final API very soon. The integration of the new algorithms in the bass manager and renderer are nothing short of stunning. Enjoy Lonnie I'm having a difficulty imagining what could be proprietary about bass management? Your eloquent description implies that Emotiba is doing something no-one else is (with unmatched results?). How will bass management be effected once Dirac Live is implemented? Even further, is Dirac's new Multi-Subwoofer Bass Management Module something Emotiva plans to support? Or does this new Emotiva algorithm nullify the need for Dirac's new algorithms?
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Post by cwt on Aug 16, 2019 6:10:51 GMT -5
I'm having a difficulty imagining what could be proprietary about bass management? Your eloquent description implies that Emotiba is doing something no-one else is (with unmatched results?). How will bass management be effected once Dirac Live is implemented? Even further, is Dirac's new Multi-Subwoofer Bass Management Module something Emotiva plans to support? Or does this new Emotiva algorithm nullify the need for Dirac's new algorithms? Posted this quote from Keith recently [but don't ask me to find the original again ; search is hit or miss ] It would be a bit incongruous to deliver dirac2.0 and leave out the promised dirac bass management simplification dirac have envisaged for it ; fingers x'ed When Lonnie says "proprietary" I read that as pertaining to diracs 3 tier system ; right or wrong ? .. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/995881
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Post by goozoo on Aug 16, 2019 8:18:43 GMT -5
Lonnie; would it be possible to get a change log of what was corrected? For example I know that many (including myself) had reported issues with the unit locking onto a DTS signal and would only recognize ATMOS. Was the issue with test tone levels resolved, etc., etc. A link would be most helpful for those of us who have been knee deep into this from the beginning. Thanks in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 8:35:19 GMT -5
Initial impressions V1.5: 1. Test tone levels more consistent/predictable. 2. Bass no longer excessive. ... we'll see whether or not "proprietary algorithms" are "stunning" . 3. Ir and menu response even better than 1.4.
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Post by Lonnie on Aug 16, 2019 9:05:32 GMT -5
Lonnie; would it be possible to get a change log of what was corrected? For example I know that many (including myself) had reported issues with the unit locking onto a DTS signal and would only recognize ATMOS. Was the issue with test tone levels resolved, etc., etc. A link would be most helpful for those of us who have been knee deep into this from the beginning. Thanks in advance. You pretty much nailed the list. DTS locking resolved unless you are using an Oppo. Oppo is the one locking up and it doesn't look like they are going to resolve it. Test tone levels have been recalibrated. Test tone levels consistency resolved. EQ level consistency during set up resolved. Enhanced IR control Resolved issue where setting is lost if exiting menu at wrong location. Several behind the scenes things to enhance overall stability and usability. There was a report of a static/ crackling sound in middle heights, resolved. All new bass management algorithms. Lonnie
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Post by SOWK on Aug 16, 2019 9:15:52 GMT -5
Lonnie ; would it be possible to get a change log of what was corrected? For example I know that many (including myself) had reported issues with the unit locking onto a DTS signal and would only recognize ATMOS. Was the issue with test tone levels resolved, etc., etc. A link would be most helpful for those of us who have been knee deep into this from the beginning. Thanks in advance. If you are running into a problem with the Oppo DTS vs Dolby lock on, here is the fix:
Change the audio track to a standard DTS or Dolbly Digital track and then back to the Atmos or DTS:X.
You are welcome.
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Post by richb on Aug 16, 2019 9:37:29 GMT -5
DTS locking resolved unless you are using an Oppo. Oppo is the one locking up and it doesn't look like they are going to resolve it. Which Oppo players have this problem and have you contacted Oppo support? - Rich
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Post by KeithL on Aug 16, 2019 9:50:17 GMT -5
No..... it has nothing to do with Dirac.
Pretty much everything the RMC-1 does is done by firmware - which is basically software running on a computer. Bass Management involves some pretty complicated programming to decide what to send where, how to do so, and how to get it all to fit together perfectly smoothly. (Some of that programming code is typically drawn from the equivalent of a programming cookbook, while some is absolutely custom.)
What we've done is to rewrite the Bass Management code - replacing the more or less standard code with our own custom-written code. (It's "proprietary" because we own it - so it's ours - and nobody else has it.) The new version performs better and, more importantly, sounds better, than the previous version.
(And, no, I don't know exactly what was changed.... but it does sound better than before.)
The expansion modules for the RMC-1 essentially expand its hardware capabilities.... So, for example, the subwoofer expansion module will enable you to physically connect additional subs.
(The RMC-1 currently supports either 13 full-range channels and three subs or 15 full-range channels and one sub.)
Dirac has stated that, going forward, they plan to "standardize" Dirac - so every new product that includes Dirac Room Correction will offer the same features and capabilities.
When we release Dirac for the RMC-1 it will include the features and capabilities that are current for the Dirac software at the time. (We currently expect this to apply to the RMC-1, the RMC-1L, the XMC-2, and other processors going forward.... but it probably will not be retroactively available for the XMC-1.)
The "multiple-subwoofer integration" capabilities you're talking about, involving calibrating multiple subs together, are on Dirac's "roadmap for future product development".
They essentially involve additional features and capabilities that will be added to the measurement and calibration software.
(Remember that these don't exist yet - because they're still being developed... so the details aren't available yet - and are subject to change.)
Their current roadmap includes three separate upgrade steps. The first step, which will be free, will allow you to better visualize how your subs will integrate with your other speakers. The final two steps, which add more ability to actively measure and calibrate multiple subs together, should allow for more accurate and precise adjustments, and better integration of subs with your other speakers. (According to their current roadmap these second and third steps will cost extra.)
We expect that these will all be applicable to the RMC-1 when they become available.
I'm having a difficulty imagining what could be proprietary about bass management? Your eloquent description implies that Emotiba is doing something no-one else is (with unmatched results?). How will bass management be effected once Dirac Live is implemented? Even further, is Dirac's new Multi-Subwoofer Bass Management Module something Emotiva plans to support? Or does this new Emotiva algorithm nullify the need for Dirac's new algorithms? Posted this quote from Keith recently [but don't ask me to find the original again ; search is hit or miss ] It would be a bit incongruous to deliver dirac2.0 and leave out the promised dirac bass management simplification dirac have envisaged for it ; fingers x'ed When Lonnie says "proprietary" I read that as pertaining to diracs 3 tier system ; right or wrong ? .. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/995881
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Post by SOWK on Aug 16, 2019 9:50:42 GMT -5
DTS locking resolved unless you are using an Oppo. Oppo is the one locking up and it doesn't look like they are going to resolve it. Which Oppo players have this problem and have you contacted Oppo support? - Rich 203 and 205 for sure have the issue if you are using any digital files vs disk.
Disk's seem to be ok.
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Post by KeithL on Aug 16, 2019 9:56:07 GMT -5
Cable boxes are somewhat mysterious - and have a mind of their own. My XFinity X1 box reboots every night in the early morning (you can override it until the next day if you happen to be sitting there when it asks - but it cannot be totally disabled). I assume that, at least some of the time, that also involves updates - but they don't ever tell you.
(There's no point in tracking what firmware is on the box at any given time because I have no control over it anyway.)
It will also do a full reboot if it loses its connection with the mother-ship (or the node)... And, of course, they can force a reboot manually whenever they choose to...
Just a thought - but - CEC is dependent on the order in which various devices are turned on.... (And, when you turn something off and on again, it becomes "the last device turned on".)
Therefore, whenever things seem to work erratically, a good thing to try is to disable CEC on everything you can find.... (CEC has a way of occasionally causing odd problems - even on things where it doesn't seem like it should matter. Something could be sending or receiving a rogue CEC command that is messing things up... it's worth eliminating as a possibility. )
Hey Keith,
Thanks for the response.
I have never used CEC or ARC or anything that remotely looks like that. Never have and never will. I double checked in Settings to make sure CEC is not/not selected in the RMC's menu and can confirm it is not. All of my sources have this type of setting turned off.
For grins and giggles have switched the tv and Blu-ray inputs back as they were. Will see if the old issue comes back or if this new one remains.
Best Regards,
Steve
EDIT: Very well could be coincidence, but after changing the HDMI input for the tv and Blu-ray player, a few minutes later the cable box (system) went out/rebooted. After the reboot things back to normal.
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Post by mahuzz13 on Aug 16, 2019 9:59:45 GMT -5
Lonnie ; would it be possible to get a change log of what was corrected? For example I know that many (including myself) had reported issues with the unit locking onto a DTS signal and would only recognize ATMOS. Was the issue with test tone levels resolved, etc., etc. A link would be most helpful for those of us who have been knee deep into this from the beginning. Thanks in advance. If you are running into a problem with the Oppo DTS vs Dolby lock on, here is the fix:
Change the audio track to a standard DTS or Dolbly Digital track and then back to the Atmos or DTS:X.
You are welcome.
So every time you watch a movie in atmos or dtsx and it doesn’t lock on pause movie going into settings on disk go to non atmos/dtsx start the movie then pause and do it all over again.....makes sense....not. If Emo can’t fix it could a future FW update from OPPO fix the issue?
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Post by thrillcat on Aug 16, 2019 10:12:07 GMT -5
If you are running into a problem with the Oppo DTS vs Dolby lock on, here is the fix:
Change the audio track to a standard DTS or Dolbly Digital track and then back to the Atmos or DTS:X.
You are welcome.
So every time you watch a movie in atmos or dtsx and it doesn’t lock on pause movie going into settings on disk go to non atmos/dtsx start the movie then pause and do it all over again.....makes sense....not. If Emo can’t fix it could a future FW update from OPPO fix the issue? Or use the audio button on the Oppo remote on the fly. You choose. 😉
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Post by Lonnie on Aug 16, 2019 10:25:50 GMT -5
If you are running into a problem with the Oppo DTS vs Dolby lock on, here is the fix: Change the audio track to a standard DTS or Dolbly Digital track and then back to the Atmos or DTS:X. You are welcome.
So every time you watch a movie in atmos or dtsx and it doesn’t lock on pause movie going into settings on disk go to non atmos/dtsx start the movie then pause and do it all over again.....makes sense....not. If Emo can’t fix it could a future FW update from OPPO fix the issue? Sorry, I can't fix another companies problem. . This is a known issue of the Oppo player that affects everyone and since Oppo no longer exist as a blu-ray company, I doubt it will be taken care of. If they were still around I feel certain it would have been taken care of, they were great about that. Lonnie
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Post by SOWK on Aug 16, 2019 10:37:03 GMT -5
So every time you watch a movie in atmos or dtsx and it doesn’t lock on pause movie going into settings on disk go to non atmos/dtsx start the movie then pause and do it all over again.....makes sense....not. If Emo can’t fix it could a future FW update from OPPO fix the issue? This particular issue is when you play digital media files like .mkv from the Oppo.
If you go from an Atmos Moive to a DTS X movie via digital files the player refuses to send out the bitstream audio for the other format. But while the opening of the moive is playing, you can select the standard DTS track from the audio button on the remote and it will unstick and send the bitstream again. Then you unfortunately have to go back to the DTS X main track after a sync has been established again.
I never had that issue with UHD/DB DISKS only digital files.
Same steps work if it wont output Dolby Atmos.
Another issue that will never be fixed...
If you have files in a row that want to be played...
Lets say you do a "silence you phone video", two movie trailers, THX/Dolby/DTS trailer, then the Movie the Oppo cant even play files in order and will sometimes skip files altogether. LOL
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Post by Lonnie on Aug 16, 2019 11:00:06 GMT -5
So every time you watch a movie in atmos or dtsx and it doesn’t lock on pause movie going into settings on disk go to non atmos/dtsx start the movie then pause and do it all over again.....makes sense....not. If Emo can’t fix it could a future FW update from OPPO fix the issue? This particular issue is when you play digital media files like .mkv from the Oppo. If you go from an Atmos Moive to a DTS X movie via digital files the player refuses to send out the bitstream audio for the other format. But while the opening of the moive is playing, you can select the standard DTS track from the audio button on the remote and it will unstick and send the bitstream again. Then you unfortunately have to go back to the DTS X main track after a sync has been established again. I never had that issue with UHD/DB DISKS only digital files. Same steps work if it wont output Dolby Atmos. Another issue that will never be fixed... If you have files in a row that want to be played... Lets say you do a "silence you phone video", two movie trailers, THX/Dolby/DTS trailer, then the Movie the Oppo cant even play files in order and will sometimes skip files altogether. LOL Thats interesting, I didn't know about that one. Thanks for sharing. Lonnie
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Post by richb on Aug 16, 2019 11:49:34 GMT -5
Which Oppo players have this problem and have you contacted Oppo support? - Rich 203 and 205 for sure have the issue if you are using any digital files vs disk. Disk's seem to be ok.
I am not sure if this is possible but can you try to obtain an Oppo log file? The following procedure can be used to obtain an log: 1. Insert a USB Storage device into the UDP-20x 2. Open the Settings menu. 3. Type 7896 to start logging. Recreate the error. 4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 to stop logging. Emotiva: I am not sure if this is possible, but a similar logging function may help debug customer reported HDMI issues. - Rich
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Post by TDifEQ on Aug 16, 2019 11:54:24 GMT -5
EMO Devel: can you develop a cmd owners can issue (via remote) to force the RMC-1 to do a quick "hot sync" (like a hot plug connect) ... i.e. read the EDID of the currently active sink and send it to the active source. Make it lightening quick. The effect would be the same as resetting the RMC-1, but only in so far as to read the active sink EDID and sending it to the active source. Thx.
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Post by richb on Aug 16, 2019 11:56:42 GMT -5
So every time you watch a movie in atmos or dtsx and it doesn’t lock on pause movie going into settings on disk go to non atmos/dtsx start the movie then pause and do it all over again.....makes sense....not. If Emo can’t fix it could a future FW update from OPPO fix the issue? Sorry, I can't fix another companies problem. . This is a known issue of the Oppo player that affects everyone and since Oppo no longer exist as a blu-ray company, I doubt it will be taken care of. If they were still around I feel certain it would have been taken care of, they were great about that. Lonnie Oppo support is still around. For folks with this issue, it is worth sending in a request for support. - Rich
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Post by Lonnie on Aug 16, 2019 12:01:51 GMT -5
EMO Devel: can you develop a cmd owners can issue (via remote) to force the RMC-1 to do a quick "hot sync" (like a hot plug connect) ... i.e. read the EDID of the currently active sink and send it to the active source. Make it lightening quick. The effect would be the same as resetting the RMC-1, but only in so far as to read the active sink EDID and sending it to the active source. Thx. That gets done a lot already. Its the only way to keep a lot of the sources out their happy. Its not open to the end user though, would need to carefully consider the possible ramifications. If we did open it up though its not a quick process. When you hot plug a device the entire chain shuts down, the sink sends its EDID, then we change the audio descriptors and pass that onto the source device that then sets itself up. The whole process takes a few seconds. Lonnie
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Post by Lonnie on Aug 16, 2019 12:02:50 GMT -5
Sorry, I can't fix another companies problem. . This is a known issue of the Oppo player that affects everyone and since Oppo no longer exist as a blu-ray company, I doubt it will be taken care of. If they were still around I feel certain it would have been taken care of, they were great about that. Lonnie Oppo support is still around. For folks with this issue, it is worth sending in a request for support. - Rich That is good to know. If enough people send in reports I feel certain they will get it taken care of. Lonnie
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