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Post by cwt on Dec 15, 2018 3:58:35 GMT -5
So to recap: - Movie streamer playing movie encoded in DTS MA had audio clicks and complete audio dropouts
- Switching to Cable TV was a complete failure. Once watching TV no audio issues. Programming was 2.0 for most commercials and I think 5.1 for the movie (was watching FX I think) and I had no audio clicks or dropouts.
- Using the Oppo and watching a disc encoded with PCM 2.0 upmixed to "Surround" had zero issues.
Seems to have a liking for 2.0 streams Deewan or a dislike switching codecs on your cable box from lpcm to dolby digital.. If your cable box is anything like our pvr's down here ide switch to 2ch only with a 5.1 downmix by the cable box so all you get is 2.0 from either sd or hd ch's . Until the next firmware you can always apply a surround mode like with the oppo if its as reliable
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Post by ossanboy on Dec 15, 2018 7:37:13 GMT -5
I will buy a processor in January I hope Emotiva fix the problems soon or I will be getting other one.
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Post by krobar on Dec 15, 2018 9:29:17 GMT -5
Seems the only studio, as in singular, is Disney geared towards younger people. That goes against everything capatilistic to suggest the trend of more will be capped at minimum. They sell more even if we need minimum. I think it really has more to do with accepting not all movies and material have a purpose to have playback that utilizes Atmos. Nothing against 7.1.4 but it’s kind of like saying your 4 18’s are all you need. Those with 20 have a different experience and I’m sure enjoy it and also know they could settle for 4 but won’t even though diminishing returns kick in. 4 just wont reproduce the effect. It will be the same with speakers no matter how nuanced. There are more nuanced things that occur with how our brains perceive things with number of speakers and how closely they’re spread than just spl and steering. I actually don’t think your setup is nutty at all but I wouldn’t go and say you couldn’t benefit from more. Especially this being a RMC thread if I were you and wanted to max diminishing returns I’d spend my time in the XMC-2 thread especially with your room size. The RMC I don’t think is supposed to draw out the people focused on maximum returns on investment. That would be RMC-2 or the XMC-2. RMC to me seems to be for those who want to spend twice as much for those nuanced benefits on limited material. I’m not going to go on the Tesla forum and hate on the people who buy the new roadster that don’t live by a racetrack. I’d stick to the model 3 thread instead if that’s where my desires lay. If they want to spend the money on it I’m assuming it makes sense for them for those experiences they get even if limited. I might though ridicule buying a car 8x the cost for the same performance as the Tesla roadster. I agree with a lot of this although the problem with Disney is they just don't care about sub standard audio tracks on their Blurays; they've been doing it for years and it would probably take a wide AV community boycott of their titles for them to even notice the downside of their substandard encodes. For me personally when I eventually go 7.1.4 that will be the max because things would get quite messy in my dedicated room if I was to support any more channels. I'm sure many others hit that wall at 5.1.2 etc although if you have $5K for a prepro you tend to have a fair bit of house space. Fully differential front three channels only and max of 7.1.4 would suit me fine so the XMC-2/RMC-2 will be on my shopping list next year providing it isn't too buggy.
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Post by petew on Dec 15, 2018 10:16:07 GMT -5
For me personally when I eventually go 7.1.4 that will be the max because things would get quite messy in my dedicated room if I was to support any more channels. I'm sure many others hit that wall at 5.1.2 etc although if you have $5K for a prepro you tend to have a fair bit of house space. Fully differential front three channels only and max of 7.1.4 would suit me fine so the XMC-2/RMC-2 will be on my shopping list next year providing it isn't too buggy. I'm a bit surprised at just how flaky and buggy the RMC-1 is (as well as the XMC-1 video board). I was really hoping to get an Emo processor in the first quarter of 2019, but I think I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe I can use my UFL status to replace the aging UMC-200 when it finally gives up the ghost.
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 15, 2018 10:58:24 GMT -5
I'm hoping they are working extra hard for a better firmware before Christmas, and New Years. I would wager they're working 100%+ on this for numerous obvious reasons. However it is the holidays and developers/managers have families just like you and me, and will no doubt be spending time with them vs. skipping that so that a few people can complain less about an extreme luxury item.
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Post by lrobertson on Dec 15, 2018 11:17:27 GMT -5
I’m assuming a WiFi outlet that switches on/off remotely for a RMC outside of a media room would not be advisable compared to holding down the power button? Specifically a Furman with bluebolt. Worried about all the hard resets people are mentioning as necessary.
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Post by Geronimo on Dec 15, 2018 16:25:23 GMT -5
I'm hoping they are working extra hard for a better firmware before Christmas, and New Years. I would wager they're working 100%+ on this for numerous obvious reasons. However it is the holidays and developers/managers have families just like you and me, and will no doubt be spending time with them vs. skipping that so that a few people can complain less about an extreme luxury item. I'm not expecting them to work on the pending holidays. You misunderstood. I was just hoping for another firmware to fix obvious, glaring issues before the holidays drew any closer. It's obvious what I'm saying. Sometimes I feel people just want to somehow put up a "morally better than you" attitude. You can reread my post and understand that what you are assuming I mean is NOT what I said.
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Post by deewan on Dec 15, 2018 16:30:45 GMT -5
So to recap: - Movie streamer playing movie encoded in DTS MA had audio clicks and complete audio dropouts
- Switching to Cable TV was a complete failure. Once watching TV no audio issues. Programming was 2.0 for most commercials and I think 5.1 for the movie (was watching FX I think) and I had no audio clicks or dropouts.
- Using the Oppo and watching a disc encoded with PCM 2.0 upmixed to "Surround" had zero issues.
One possible cause could be the 3D upmixers. I don't ever recall getting audio pops or clicks when not trying to upmix to either DTS:X or Dolby Atmos. But I'm going only off tonights experience. I need to test that more. So some interesting notes during todays testing. I didn't have a lot of time while prepping for the party, but I was able to recreate the 5-6 second audio dropout feeing the RMC a DTS MA 5.1 signal and upmixing it to DTS Neural X. during a 30 minute section of the movie I got 1 quick click and a 5-6 second dropout. The RMC is set to "Auto" and is selecting DTS Neural X itself based on my speaker config. I then switched the "Auto" setting to "Surround" and rewatched the same 30 minute clip. I had no complete audio dropouts and I don't think I even got a quick click. I was doing other things while listening but I never heard the clicks I've grown to expect. I looked back through my other titles and all the movies I know I have audio issues with are DTS titles. I've tested with Dolby and Dolby Atmos titles, but those were for wide and overhead. I'm not sure I've experienced the clicks or audio dropouts with the Dolby upmixer. It's time for some ugly Christmas sweaters (in the form of clothing and cookies with lots of food and booze) so I'll test more tomorrow. If it is the DTS upmixer causing the issue I'll make setting changes to avoid DTS upmixing until there is a fix. Attachments:
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Post by Geronimo on Dec 15, 2018 16:34:22 GMT -5
Excuse the double post.
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Post by rhale64 on Dec 15, 2018 22:24:34 GMT -5
Deewan interesting as I have not watched a DTSx movie yet. I should try one out to see if I have the same issue.
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Post by deewan on Dec 15, 2018 23:21:56 GMT -5
Party was a success. Movies for the kids was a complete bust. Adults were upstairs playing games while the kids were entertained in the theater. After the first movie (Big Hero 6, DTS: HD 7.1) the kids said they liked the movie but the sound didn't work a few times. I guess that somewhat expected based on my DTS theory from earlier. Next movie was a Blu-Ray of Polar Express (Dolby 5.1). A little bit into the movie I hear two of the kids yelling for me, "There is a buzzing sound, is there a fire?" The youngest kid, who is six recently had a fire alarm at school and was scared the buzzing was a fire alarm. I go down into the theater and find this. It was constance and played for 2 minutes no matter what I tried. I attempted to switch inputs, audio decoders and even turned the RMC off and on. Buzzing always started again once the RMC was back on. My only remedy was to power off and do a full reboot. Attached below was the info for the movie the RMC was being fed during the buzzing. The rest of Polar Express the kids said the RMC was fine and they watched half of Home Alone (BluRay DTS:MA 5.1) and didn't say there were any audio issues. So maybe the reboot helped resolve some issues, but for how long? My concern now turns to a movie night I'm hosting tomorrow. The RMC seems to be becoming more unstable but with some issues resolved after the full reboot. Do I dare get 4-5 friends over for a movie while running the risk of being embarrassed when a $4999 processor starts buzzing or drops audio for 5-6 seconds ever 10 minutes. I think I'll have to cancel the movie night. Attachments:
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Post by adaboy on Dec 15, 2018 23:31:35 GMT -5
Oh man, dude that stinks. I'm sorry to hear from. Not only is it embarrassing, it also chips away at your excitement level for your hobby. Man, do you have your old pre for the movie night? To have to cancel your movie night due to a 5k processor that isn't stable is a real bummer. I'm running 7.4.4 with my Marantz AV 8802a and I don't have a strong desire to upgrade minus the just because factor. This unit has been rock solid. I truly do feel for you.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 15, 2018 23:45:27 GMT -5
How did Emotiva get the rmc to work so well at all the shows that it won awards at ? Or is Deewan’s unit faulty ?
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Post by adam631 on Dec 16, 2018 0:00:28 GMT -5
Party was a success. Movies for the kids was a complete bust. Adults were upstairs playing games while the kids were entertained in the theater. After the first movie (Big Hero 6, DTS: HD 7.1) the kids said they liked the movie but the sound didn't work a few times. I guess that somewhat expected based on my DTS theory from earlier. Next movie was a Blu-Ray of Polar Express (Dolby 5.1). A little bit into the movie I hear two of the kids yelling for me, "There is a buzzing sound, is there a fire?" The youngest kid, who is six recently had a fire alarm at school and was scared the buzzing was a fire alarm. I go down into the theater and find this. It was constance and played for 2 minutes no matter what I tried. I attempted to switch inputs, audio decoders and even turned the RMC off and on. Buzzing always started again once the RMC was back on. My only remedy was to power off and do a full reboot. Attached below was the info for the movie the RMC was being fed during the buzzing. The rest of Polar Express the kids said the RMC was fine and they watched half of Home Alone (BluRay DTS:MA 5.1) and didn't say there were any audio issues. So maybe the reboot helped resolve some issues, but for how long? My concern now turns to a movie night I'm hosting tomorrow. The RMC seems to be becoming more unstable but with some issues resolved after the full reboot. Do I dare get 4-5 friends over for a movie while running the risk of being embarrassed when a $4999 processor starts buzzing or drops audio for 5-6 seconds ever 10 minutes. I think I'll have to cancel the movie night. I was getting the same exact buzzing sound, only from when i was listening to music. I spoke to damon at emotiva and he said it was the dsp locking up and lonnie is aware of the issue and they are working on it. Did you download the latest firmware that was posted on here? After i did i haven't had the buzzing since.
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Post by rhale64 on Dec 16, 2018 1:05:34 GMT -5
That is the buzzing sound that I have been dealing with. I talked to Keith about it yesterday and he said they are aware of it and are trying to figure out what set's it off. So if you can relay the information that would help. They are working on it.
And I did install the latest firmware and mine did the buzzing once since then. But hasn't had a problem the last few times I have used it.
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Post by Geronimo on Dec 16, 2018 1:39:05 GMT -5
I've had the garbled, and screeching sound, even after the firmware update. Happens on PCM. Also loses sounds momentarily sometimes on bitstream, but, more often on PCM.
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 16, 2018 1:43:08 GMT -5
I will buy a processor in January I hope Emotiva fix the problems soon or I will be getting other one. I'm 100% sure they are working on it. I'm also 100% sure they are embarrassed about the issues. If they aren't they should be. They should be 100% embarrassed. Really embarrassed. What say you Dan? Yet I knew it would be this way. Its the Emotiva way. Hence why I am and will wait for things regarding the RMC to work out. Hopefully, yet, maybe. I'm not certain it will happen. Slow switching considered normal operation? Not. I'm not sure why it always goes this way with their processors. Even after like what, 5 tries or so, Emotiva is still struggling with processor releases, or failing as many would say. What I would say mostly is this. Why do they limit their vetting test dummy group to being so small? It has to be small since major issues ALWAYS come out right away? There are a bunch of loyal people here who would LOVE to be test dummies for such a product. Me included. I know I would press hard to make sure things work and dog them at every turn. Give me one. I'll test it hard and send it back. But they don't do that. Instead they MAKE, unannounced, their first batch of customers be guinea pigs. They deserve dogging for that as far as I'm concerned. This RMC release has been a complete mess, in EVERY aspect. If anyone says otherwise, I totally disagree. Unfortunately us Bonzomites are winning big right now. I don't like it.
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Post by mazurkr on Dec 16, 2018 1:52:41 GMT -5
i feel bad for those with issues. as far as playback of any type, i've had zero problems.
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 16, 2018 1:59:26 GMT -5
i feel bad for those with issues. as far as playback of any type, i've had zero problems. Which might mean they have assembly - production issues. Dunno. But why the inconsistency?
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Post by adam631 on Dec 16, 2018 2:02:38 GMT -5
i feel bad for those with issues. as far as playback of any type, i've had zero problems. Have you updated your firmware? or is it the one that came with the unit. I'm curious as to why some owners are not having any issues but some are.
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