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Post by tagmanz on Oct 13, 2019 14:59:03 GMT -5
I'm just hoping the RMC-1 and XMC-2 aren't already hardware limited after the comment about having to dip into the rendering memory for DL2.0. For the RMC-1 it could be addressed through one of the expansion bays probably (and if so I assume it would be provided for free) but that would obviously cut into the originally advertised speaker expansion and upset a lot of people. Lots of things to speculate on, but I guess all we can do is keep waiting for an official response/release. Both the DSU and Dirac require memory to operate. I don't beleive Lonnie's comments implied there was a lack of memory (although there may well be). He was simply stating that the code received from Dirac had been written making use of memory addresses that are currently reserved in Emotiva's code for the renderer. What I took his comments to mean was that rather than go back to Dirac and ask them to use a different memory location, Emotiva were remapping their code to a different set of addresses to avoid an overlap. I don't beleive they are "stealing" any memory from the renderer just moving it to a different location.
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Post by goozoo on Oct 13, 2019 17:54:45 GMT -5
While the products you mention do have support for DIRAC 2.x, the Storm piece is only one available now (I know of)that has DIRAC 2.x running and being sold. That is what I was trying to point out. I understand. That is what I am refuting. I have had DL 2.0 on my NAD M15HD for over a year now (I believe the beta was released in July of 2018). Arcam/Lexicon/Audiocontrol have also had it just as long. After ATI and Emotiva who's left among those offering Dirac? 2018/19 were the years of introducing DL 2.0. 2020 is the year of DL Premium Bass Management, not DL 2.0. Hmmm.....the 4 brands with which I have very little experience with...lol. I thought that DIRAC was releasing a new version (hence 2.x) and of course the BM as an add on. This would allow for full 16 channel room correction. JBL will also be offering DIRAC in their SDP55 instead of the Trinnov Optimizer that is in the SDP75. Makes you wonder what is going to happen with Audyssey 32. Most every user turns is off!
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Post by maconi on Oct 14, 2019 1:37:14 GMT -5
I'm just hoping the RMC-1 and XMC-2 aren't already hardware limited after the comment about having to dip into the rendering memory for DL2.0. For the RMC-1 it could be addressed through one of the expansion bays probably (and if so I assume it would be provided for free) but that would obviously cut into the originally advertised speaker expansion and upset a lot of people. Lots of things to speculate on, but I guess all we can do is keep waiting for an official response/release. Both the DSU and Dirac require memory to operate. I don't beleive Lonnie's comments implied there was a lack of memory (although there may well be). He was simply stating that the code received from Dirac had been written making use of memory addresses that are currently reserved in Emotiva's code for the renderer. What I took his comments to mean was that rather than go back to Dirac and ask them to use a different memory location, Emotiva were remapping their code to a different set of addresses to avoid an overlap. I don't beleive they are "stealing" any memory from the renderer just moving it to a different location. That's likely the case (this platform was supposedly "over-built" if the marketing is to be believed so there should be a surplus of memory anyway), and hopefully so. Looking forward to getting our hands on it soon.
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Post by SOWK on Oct 14, 2019 8:33:21 GMT -5
Lonnie and Keith!!!
Can we get a FULL REBOOT option in the advanced menu so I dont have to keep power cycling the main power toggle on the back of the unit when the RMC-1 randomly decides to stop accepting bitstream audio?
A simple power off with the front power button is not enough to fix the issue, and full power cycle with the toggle switch on the back is needed.
These issues are still a problem and seem to get worse as time goes on.
Using FW 1.5
BTW... I have a dual bitstream output going to a Marantz AV8805 and the other going to the RMC-1... And the Marantz never has issues connecting to the bitstream.
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Post by richb on Oct 14, 2019 9:29:25 GMT -5
Lonnie and Keith!!! Can we get a FULL REBOOT option in the advanced menu so I dont have to keep power cycling the main power toggle on the back of the unit when the RMC-1 randomly decides to stop accepting bitstream audio? A simple power off with the front power button is not enough to fix the issue, and full power cycle with the toggle switch on the back is needed. These issues are still a problem and seem to get worse as time goes on. Using FW 1.5 BTW... I have a dual bitstream output going to a Marantz AV8805 and the other going to the RMC-1... And the Marantz never has issues connecting to the bitstream. For those the use Video on Standby, a Full power off option IR remote command would also be helpful. That way I could tell the family to use that when there is a problem. EDIT: Changed to Full Power Off. - Rich
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Post by SOWK on Oct 14, 2019 9:32:34 GMT -5
For those the use Video on Standby, a Full Reboot option IR remote command would also be helpful. That way I could tell the family to use that when there is a problem. - Rich I'm not even in video stand by and a power off and on still wont fix it. Only a complete loss of power and then restart does it. But there has to be a way to do a full reboot via software and hopefully they can implement one.
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Post by TDifEQ on Oct 14, 2019 10:12:14 GMT -5
Can EMO get a fix into FW 1.6 to allow owners a choice btwn DD_Surround or DTS_Neural:X when sending PCM (from Oppo203, HDMI) to RMC-1. Right now, only DD_Surround is selected. Thx.
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Post by richb on Oct 14, 2019 10:36:02 GMT -5
For those the use Video on Standby, a Full Reboot option IR remote command would also be helpful. That way I could tell the family to use that when there is a problem. - Rich I'm not even in video stand by and a power off and on still wont fix it. Only a complete loss of power and then restart does it. But there has to be a way to do a full reboot via software and hopefully they can implement one. Press-and-hold the front power button, does a full power to energy efficient power down. If that does not correct your issue, then removing the power must be providing a full reset. If that is case, no software command can emulate removal of power. What might be interesting to some using Video on Standby (VOS), is a Full power off IR command. For example, I would use VOS and program the following into the screen shown when I press the Pronto Power button. - Standby - Off with RMC-1 in VOS
- Full Off - All off with RMC-1 in low power standby (not VOS)
- Cancel - Return without power off
- Rich
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Post by lukewayne on Oct 14, 2019 13:07:12 GMT -5
I'm not even in video stand by and a power off and on still wont fix it. Only a complete loss of power and then restart does it. But there has to be a way to do a full reboot via software and hopefully they can implement one. Press-and-hold the front power button, does a full power to energy efficient power down. If that does not correct your issue, then removing the power must be providing a full reset. If that is case, no software command can emulate removal of power. What might be interesting to some using Video on Standby (VOS), is a Full power off IR command. For example, I would use VOS and program the following into the screen shown when I press the Pronto Power button. - Standby - Off with RMC-1 in VOS
- Full Off - All off with RMC-1 in low power standby (not VOS)
- Cancel - Return without power off
- Rich Better yet fix all the problems that cause constant needs for power cycles! I’ve found VOS to be unusable with constant HDMI issues. Low power standby take ~93 seconds to fully boot which is way too long for any kind of automation/macros. I agree that a software full reboot from menu should be added, but please fix all the sh** causing the needs for reboots! Consumer electronics shouldn’t require multiple power cycles just to be used normally, it shouldn’t be a roll of the dice to see if the damn thing will work correctly!
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Post by goozoo on Oct 14, 2019 18:45:25 GMT -5
Press-and-hold the front power button, does a full power to energy efficient power down. If that does not correct your issue, then removing the power must be providing a full reset. If that is case, no software command can emulate removal of power. What might be interesting to some using Video on Standby (VOS), is a Full power off IR command. For example, I would use VOS and program the following into the screen shown when I press the Pronto Power button. - Standby - Off with RMC-1 in VOS
- Full Off - All off with RMC-1 in low power standby (not VOS)
- Cancel - Return without power off
- Rich Better yet fix all the problems that cause constant needs for power cycles! I’ve found VOS to be unusable with constant HDMI issues. Low power standby take ~93 seconds to fully boot which is way too long for any kind of automation/macros. I agree that a software full reboot from menu should be added, but please fix all the sh** causing the needs for reboots! Consumer electronics shouldn’t require multiple power cycles just to be used normally, it shouldn’t be a roll of the dice to see if the damn thing will work correctly! +10.....Pretty much can't watch a DTS movie without having to cold reboot the unit or try and find a title in DTS:X to get it to lock on. Used to be sporadic but has since become more frequent; as if the unit is getting worse with time?! The HDMI board on this is garbage and they know it. The chipset on it has been nothing but problematic since its' inception on the XMC-1 and instead of a re-design and new manufacturer, they just stuck it into the RMC-1. Now they are wanting to work on a 2.1 board version. Hopefully they accept what people are telling them about the video board and find a new manufacturer. Lyngdorf had similar issues with their 2.0b board and rejected everything for nearly 2 years until they finally got a stable rock solid component to put into production.
As for lower power startup time, all automation would have to do is choose the input as all the other variables are pre-selected at boot. A Harmony remote handles that quite nicely and is easy for the family to use.
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 14, 2019 19:13:46 GMT -5
Better yet fix all the problems that cause constant needs for power cycles! I’ve found VOS to be unusable with constant HDMI issues. Low power standby take ~93 seconds to fully boot which is way too long for any kind of automation/macros. I agree that a software full reboot from menu should be added, but please fix all the sh** causing the needs for reboots! Consumer electronics shouldn’t require multiple power cycles just to be used normally, it shouldn’t be a roll of the dice to see if the damn thing will work correctly! +10.....Pretty much can't watch a DTS movie without having to cold reboot the unit or try and find a title in DTS:X to get it to lock on. Used to be sporadic but has since become more frequent; as if the unit is getting worse with time?! The HDMI board on this is garbage and they know it. The chipset on it has been nothing but problematic since its' inception on the XMC-1 and instead of a re-design and new manufacturer, they just stuck it into the RMC-1. Now they are wanting to work on a 2.1 board version. Hopefully they accept what people are telling them about the video board and find a new manufacturer. Lyngdorf had similar issues with their 2.0b board and rejected everything for nearly 2 years until they finally got a stable rock solid component to put into production.
As for lower power startup time, all automation would have to do is choose the input as all the other variables are pre-selected at boot. A Harmony remote handles that quite nicely and is easy for the family to use.
While I’ve had a few DTS-HD MA 5.1 tracks with the “No Audio” issue, I’ve simply changed the audio to another track and then back and I’m back in business. Yes it’s a workaround, and yes it needs to be fixed, I’m confident it will be addressed in the next firmware. At this point for me, this is the only bug I’ve run into, but I’m also only on 7.1 as well. So any immersive channel problems there might be, I’m not affected at this point.
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 14, 2019 20:13:50 GMT -5
+10.....Pretty much can't watch a DTS movie without having to cold reboot the unit or try and find a title in DTS:X to get it to lock on. Used to be sporadic but has since become more frequent; as if the unit is getting worse with time?! The HDMI board on this is garbage and they know it. The chipset on it has been nothing but problematic since its' inception on the XMC-1 and instead of a re-design and new manufacturer, they just stuck it into the RMC-1. Now they are wanting to work on a 2.1 board version. Hopefully they accept what people are telling them about the video board and find a new manufacturer. Lyngdorf had similar issues with their 2.0b board and rejected everything for nearly 2 years until they finally got a stable rock solid component to put into production.
As for lower power startup time, all automation would have to do is choose the input as all the other variables are pre-selected at boot. A Harmony remote handles that quite nicely and is easy for the family to use.
While I’ve had a few DTS-HD MA 5.1 tracks with the “No Audio” issue, I’ve simply changed the audio to another track and then back and I’m back in business. Yes it’s a workaround, and yes it needs to be fixed, I’m confident it will be addressed in the next firmware. At this point for me, this is the only bug I’ve run into, but I’m also only on 7.1 as well. So any immersive channel problems there might be, I’m not affected at this point. I can’t make that work on any DTS-HD movie though. I have not figured out any way to watch say The Dark Knight 4K disc for instance.
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Post by bluescale on Oct 14, 2019 20:15:29 GMT -5
Here's the story: The ADI (Analog Devices) 4th gen SHARC chipsets are ubiquitous throughout the AVR and SSP lineups industry wide (from miniDSP to Emotiva to Datasat, Theta, and StormAudio). The lineup offers options for both decoding & upmixing (Dolby, Dts, Auro, etc.) and post-processing (bass management, delays, PEQ, REQ, etc.). Audyssey, RoomPerfect, and Dirac were all written to run on the 4th-gen SHARCs as the de facto chipset. Lyngdorf's MP-50 utilizes 8 4th-gen SHARCs!
Some vendors (like StormAudio) who used a different decoding chipset (T1/MDS) still deployed 4th-gen SHARCs for post-processing. ADIs largest customer in home audio by far is Denon+Marantz (Sound United). D+M selected the 5th-gen SHARC+ (Griffin Lite) for their 2018 flagships. Emotiva also chose to move the Griffin Lite.
Unfortunately, no other major manufacturers seem to be migrating to the 5th gen SHARC+. Rather, there appears to be a migration to the TI/MDS APM 100 solutions for the next gen. Because D+M utilizes Audyssey, that leaves Emotiva as the sole customer requiring Dirac on the Griffin Lite. Unfortunately, the SHARC to SHARC+ transition is not a simple port of the Dirac code base.
On the flip side, the new TI/MDS APM-100 DSPs provide both decoding and post-processing on a single board. It takes two Griffin Lites to do what a single APM-100 can.
I believe that Emotiva's long development delays as well as the low numbers of units moved have played a part in the Dirac delays.
Dirac is much further along on the TI/MDS APM-100s (it's in beta) than on the ADI Griffin Lite for Emotiva. This is despite not being supported on the previous gen TI/MDS APM-89.
Thank you very much for this explanation. This is a bummer to read, but also makes so much more sense.
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Post by bluescale on Oct 14, 2019 20:17:20 GMT -5
I can’t make that work on any DTS-HD movie though. I have not figured out any way to watch say The Dark Knight 4K disc for instance. That movie doesn't have an immersive track. Just change the output from Bitstream to PCM. Not that you should have to do that, but it's better than owning a movie you can't watch - especially one as good as Dark Knight. That would suck.
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 14, 2019 20:20:27 GMT -5
While I’ve had a few DTS-HD MA 5.1 tracks with the “No Audio” issue, I’ve simply changed the audio to another track and then back and I’m back in business. Yes it’s a workaround, and yes it needs to be fixed, I’m confident it will be addressed in the next firmware. At this point for me, this is the only bug I’ve run into, but I’m also only on 7.1 as well. So any immersive channel problems there might be, I’m not affected at this point. I can’t make that work on any DTS-HD movie though. I have not figured out any way to watch say The Dark Knight 4K disc for instance. Interesting as that's exactly what's playing in my home theater right now, and I used the switching audio tracks "work around" in my Oppo UDP-203 to get the DTS-HD MA 5.1 track to lock on.
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 14, 2019 20:21:38 GMT -5
I can’t make that work on any DTS-HD movie though. I have not figured out any way to watch say The Dark Knight 4K disc for instance. Interesting as that's exactly what's playing in my home theater right now, and I used the switching audio tracks "work around" in my Oppo UDP-203 to get the DTS-HD MA 5.1 track to lock on. What do you mean by switching audio tracks? Do you mean switching to say Spanish then back to DTS? I’ll try that right now
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 14, 2019 20:25:12 GMT -5
Interesting as that's exactly what's playing in my home theater right now, and I used the switching audio tracks "work around" in my Oppo UDP-203 to get the DTS-HD MA 5.1 track to lock on. What do you mean by switching audio tracks? Do you mean switching to say Spanish then back to DTS? I’ll try that right now I just press the "Audio" button on my Oppo remote, switch to the "French" or "Spanish" Dolby track and then back to the English DTS-HD MA 5.1. Hopefully that works for you.
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 14, 2019 20:39:13 GMT -5
What do you mean by switching audio tracks? Do you mean switching to say Spanish then back to DTS? I’ll try that right now I just press the "Audio" button on my Oppo remote, switch to the "French" or "Spanish" Dolby track and then back to the English DTS-HD MA 5.1. Hopefully that works for you. So strangely enough the DTS-HD track picked up right away and played with no issues even though I tried multiple times last week. Oh well. It did take the signal and upconvert it to Netural X
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 14, 2019 20:46:59 GMT -5
I just press the "Audio" button on my Oppo remote, switch to the "French" or "Spanish" Dolby track and then back to the English DTS-HD MA 5.1. Hopefully that works for you. So strangely enough the DTS-HD track picked up right away and played with no issues even though I tried multiple times last week. Oh well. It did take the signal and upconvert it to Netural X Glad it worked for you. The few DTS-HD MA 5.1 movies that have given me this problem we’re fixed with this work around. Weird thing is that most DTS movies don’t give me a problem.
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Post by cwt on Oct 15, 2019 0:18:00 GMT -5
Glad it worked for you. The few DTS-HD MA 5.1 movies that have given me this problem we’re fixed with this work around. Weird thing is that most DTS movies don’t give me a problem. The common factor is you are only decoding the "carrier" dts hd 5.1/7.1 bitstream and ignoring the neural metadata for the ceilings where the problems locking on reside I would imagine there are many UHD pana's in service ; hopefully they can also switch tracks on the fly as a workaround No direct audio button on my UB900 but maybe the options pop up can manage it..?
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