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Post by hsamwel on Oct 20, 2019 16:11:25 GMT -5
Is this one of you having the Benq W2700 projector ? because I received it on Friday and I have problems with loss of random HDMI links! in fact the projector loses the HDMI connection and does not reconnect it is necessary that I change the source on the RMC-1 for it to work, the losses are made on all sources, I changed cable HDMI, I I traded with the output HDMI 1/2 of the RMC-1, I disconnected all the power nothing there. the only way that helps is to leave my TV Sony on !!! The problem is that I do not know if my new projector is buggy or if it comes from RMC-1 ? 1. Don't have a BENQ projector, but I do have a JVC projector, which are EDID quirky, and learned to understand then live within its quirks. 2. That being said, if one has 2 display devices connected to the RMC-1 at the same time (one display device fully powered up and the other in standby), it's possible the RMC-1 will send the "lowest common denominator" EDID of both display devices to the source device (e.g. blu ray player). Yes, a display device in "Standby" (off) is still sending EDID info out to RMC-1. lol. Disconnect the Sony TV and spend some time to understand and live within the quirks of the Benq projector. 3. When you say leaving the Sony TV on (while the projector is on) helps a lot, suggests the RMC-1 is not sync'g on the EDID of the projector so it gave up and the RMC-1 sync'd on the more stable EDID of the Sony TV ... and passed that EDID info to your source device. Since both devices are 4k capable ... this can work. Try disconnecting Sony TV from RMC-1, then try 2 above to learn what the EDID quirks of the Benq projector are. Using an HDfury Vertex2 connected to RMC-1's Output 2. Vertex2 that acts as a switch to send the video to either the LG C8 4k OLED display or to the JVC600 projector. RMC-1 output1 is NOT used because of PIA issues with RMC-1's "lowest common denominator" output design. If you own a RMC-1, you'll have to accept and use workarounds as normal practice ... but, you'll get great sounding music and movie audio at a reasonable price (compared to trinnov or Storm). 2. Although still talking to RMC it should not demand the lower resolution if in standby. I have my 1080p projector (with HDMI 1.4, made before 4k came out) connected with my 4k TV. I have tried both on and one or the other on. Behaves as they should. However if BENQ is doing something wrong it could behave differently. Then it should be treated as a bug from BENQ. MonsieurAl I would suggest you to go through all the settings of your source devices, tv and projector. Set all ”fast startup”, CEC or similar to off. Then try only the projector and the bluray connected first. If that works connect one more source until you find the one that’s makes the problem. Don’t forget to remove the power from all the devices to let RMC ”forget” hdmi connections. I had similar issues with my projector. It was the parabol dish receiver causing all the problems for me.
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Post by TDifEQ on Oct 20, 2019 16:50:36 GMT -5
... 2. That being said, if one has 2 display devices connected to the RMC-1 at the same time (one display device fully powered up and the other in standby), it's possible the RMC-1 will send the "lowest common denominator" EDID of both display devices to the source device (e.g. blu ray player). Yes, a display device in "Standby" (off) is still sending EDID info out to RMC-1. lol. Disconnect the Sony TV and spend some time to understand and live within the quirks of the Benq projector. ... 2. Although still talking to RMC it should not demand the lower resolution if in standby.... ... From what you describe it sounds like your Dish box is failing to "notice" that the RMC-1 has turned on... (So, it has "gone to sleep", shut off its output, and not noticed that it should turn the output back on because the RMC-1 is "there" again.)
However.....
"Maybe there’s a problem with the Sony TV hogging the HDMI sync somehow? Even though it’s in standby.." This is also a distinct possibility. HDMI devices remain "visible" to other HDMI devices, even when they're in Standby, even when they're off, and even when they're unplugged from the AC line. (An HDMI device actually sends power down the HDMI connection so it can read the status of the device at the other end - even if its off.) We have absolutely seen situations where a certain HDMI device causes problems - even when it's turned off - or ONLY when it's turned off. The easy way to rule this out is to physically unplug the HDMI cable between that TV and the RMC-1 and see if the problem goes away.
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Noted.... and, no promises, but I'm optimistic. 2)
We're not big believers in fancy feet... especially on devices with no moving parts (and no parts that are really affected by minor vibration). Adding fancy feet probably won't hurt anything... but we really doubt it would help. (DO avoid using feet that require excessively long screws... which can protrude inside the case and damage one of the circuit boards.) 3) Not necessarily a bad idea... but more of a grey area.
- Not every AVR allows audio pass-through... - Products that allow audio pass-through may not necessarily do so without altering the audio... - While we simply switch the video, many low-cost AVRs actually do pass it through some sort of processing, which MAY degrade the picture...
- And even low quality internal wiring might adversely affect the audio video to some degree (HDMI is a very high frequency and bandwidth signal)...
(So you're probably safer with some sort of purpose-built matrix switcher than with using a low cost AVR as a switch.)
4) We have eliminated most of the HDMI issues we've had - and are working on the remaining few. However, the two HDMI outputs on the XMC and RMC are essentially a single HDMI signal being passed through a splitter... Therefore, they WILL NOT deliver both 1080p and 4k signals AT THE SAME TIME...
(So, if the 1080p device is turned On, the output FOR BOTH will be switched to 1080p, and the 4k device will be getting a 1080p signal.) This is due to the way HDMI works. In order to get two different resolutions at the same time you would need to resample the video. Both the XMC and RMC act purely as switches - which ensures that you'll get the best possible video quality - but rules out resampling.
5) You absolutely CAN connect just one RCA output for Zone 2 if you like. It won't hurt anything (but you will only be hearing one channel.)
You can also combine the two into a single monaural channel using a simple passive mixer. (In this case, that can be as simple as a y-cable, wired with two resistors to act as a passive mixer.... but we don't recommend connecting the two outputs directly together.)
When RMC-1 Output 1 and 2 both have a display connected, one display is active and the other display is inactive, but in standby mode: Can EMO development provide a "matrix mode" for RMC-1's outputs where the outputs are mutually exclusive and the RMC-1 only listens to the EDID coming from the user selected "active" output ... and ignores the EDID coming from the inactive output which has a display powered down in standby mode. Right now, RMC-1's Output 1 and 2 are in "splitter" mode, where both outputs get the same signal, but RMC-1 is listening to both outputs for EDID information. This mode is reeking havoc on the active output because the RMC-1 is being controlled, in some cases, by the EDID from the inactive output! Disconnecting the HDMI cable to the inactive RMC-1 output (with the display that's in standby power mode) is not an option. Matrix mode would prevent the RMC-1 from listening to EDID from the Output whose device is in standby and reeking havoc on the active RMC-1 output device. The user would have to select which RMC-1 output port (1 or 2) to use in matrix mode. FYI. You missed this discussion some time ago where @keithl talked about the design characteristics of the RMC-1 "splitter" output. It does not have to apply just to 2 displays devices with different resolutions (1080p vs 2160p) ... it can also apply to two 2160p display devices, one with Dolby Vision and the other without Dolby Vision ... which was my case (LG C8 77" OLED (DV)vs JVC 600 (no DV)). Development thought this was the "Frozen Dolby Vision EDID" bug ... it turned out not to be the case. It was the RMC-1 "splitter output" design limitation. @keithl recommended using a matrix switch connected to RMC-1 output (2?) to switch btwn TV and Projector if this was a problem ... opted for the Vertex2 option ... which also allows ARC audio to be sent from LG C8 77" OLED back to RMC-1 via Vertex2's "Audio Only" HDMI port.
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Post by maconi on Oct 20, 2019 17:14:53 GMT -5
Well I finally got around to hooking my RMC-1 up... and I'm at a complete loss lol. It worked just fine at first. TV > RMC-1 > Blu-Ray Player. I noticed the RMC-1 was having trouble picking up the DTS-X track (it only wanted to pick up Dolby TrueHD) so I figured I would reboot the RMC-1 to see if that would help. Going from On > Standby > On didn't do anything. So I tried On > Standby > Off > On. That was a mistake. Nothing I do will display video from the Blu-Ray Player anymore. I've tried every combination of Blu-Ray Player Off/On/HDMI Disconnected, RMC-1 Off/Standby/On/HDMI Disconnected, and TV Off/On/HDMI Disconnected. Switching inputs on the RMC-1 doesn't do anything either. I can even put a Blu-Ray in the Player and hit Play and watch the different audio/video codecs on the front display change around, but the TV still won't pick up a video signal from the RMC-1 anymore. I'm using Monoprice 8K 48GBs HDMI cables so that shouldn't be the problem. All the HDMI-CEC stuff is turned off on the TV and RMC-1. Firmware is v1.5. The only tips I've found so far are to use HDMI 2 Out (the ARC port), turn off the "Video Standby" feature on the RMC-1, and to also just try turning the Blu-Ray Player On/Off a bunch of times in a row in hopes that the RMC-1 finally catches the HDMI video signal. Hopefully I'm just overlooking something obvious, as it really shouldn't be this hard to operate a $5,000 "Rethink High End" product (I've seen that message too many times today restarting the RMC-1 over and over again). I've already spent too much time troubleshooting it today, but will give it another shot tomorrow. Do you get picture from any other units other than the bluray? Please do try to reset output resolution on the bluray player. Is this a uhd bluray or a standard? Do you get picture from the bluray directly connected to the TV? If you have a 1080p TV and a uhd Bluray and you mistakenly force the output to 4k you’ll get no picture. BTW this 8k cable, is it an active one? Fiber? Maybe you should try another one just to be sure if nothing else works before taking the next step. maconi btw what brand and model is your bluray player and TV.. Maybe someone else has had trouble with these? TV: Samsung Q90R 82" Blu-Ray Player: Panasonic DP-UB820 4K player Console: PS4 Receiver: RMC-1 Well I finally got around to hooking my RMC-1 up... and I'm at a complete loss lol. It worked just fine at first. TV > RMC-1 > Blu-Ray Player. I noticed the RMC-1 was having trouble picking up the DTS-X track (it only wanted to pick up Dolby TrueHD) so I figured I would reboot the RMC-1 to see if that would help. Going from On > Standby > On didn't do anything. So I tried On > Standby > Off > On. That was a mistake. Nothing I do will display video from the Blu-Ray Player anymore. I've tried every combination of Blu-Ray Player Off/On/HDMI Disconnected, RMC-1 Off/Standby/On/HDMI Disconnected, and TV Off/On/HDMI Disconnected. Switching inputs on the RMC-1 doesn't do anything either. I can even put a Blu-Ray in the Player and hit Play and watch the different audio/video codecs on the front display change around, but the TV still won't pick up a video signal from the RMC-1 anymore. I'm using Monoprice 8K 48GBs HDMI cables so that shouldn't be the problem. All the HDMI-CEC stuff is turned off on the TV and RMC-1. Firmware is v1.5. The only tips I've found so far are to use HDMI 2 Out (the ARC port), turn off the "Video Standby" feature on the RMC-1, and to also just try turning the Blu-Ray Player On/Off a bunch of times in a row in hopes that the RMC-1 finally catches the HDMI video signal. I've tried both HDMI Outs (seems like the OSD works better on HDMI 2) as well as turning off Video Standby but it didn't make a difference. Connecting the Blu-Ray Player directly to the TV works fine. Connecting it to the RMC-1 gives a black screen. I've even did a factory reset on both the Blu-Ray Player and the RMC-1. Hopefully I'm just overlooking something obvious, as it really shouldn't be this hard to operate a $5,000 "Rethink High End" product (I've seen that message too many times today restarting the RMC-1 over and over again). I've already spent too much time troubleshooting it today, but will give it another shot tomorrow. Hopefully I didn't somehow fry the HDMI board or something just by turning it off? A couple quick questions/suggestions to try and diagnose your issues.... - IF you are using a projector, use hdmi output 1 instead of 2 which has ARC support.
- When you are unable to get AV from a source device, are you able to hit the "Info" button on the RMC's remote and see the OSD of the RMC?
- So that I am clear, you are unable to get any video to display from the BluRay player, including the main menu of the player, not just video from the disc/content you are attempting to watch?
It sounds like you are doing all the right things. My only suggestions are to confirm FW 1.5 is loaded using the RMC menu. Unplug all connected devices from their power source, including your display. Shut down the RMC, flip the power switch on the back, wait 10 seconds then turn it back on. Wait for the RMC to boot up and then connect power to one source device like your BluRay player. Then connect power back to your display device. Power on the RMC and wait for it to boot up. Before doing anything else pay attention to the Video settings displayed on the RMC. What we are looking for is as you power on your source device and have the correct hdmi input selected if that resolution changes. Then power on the display, power on the BluRay player.... hopefully then is when the video into details change and you see a picture on your screen. If still nothing but you can see the RMC Info screen, maybe snap a photo of the screen and post it. Maybe there is something we can see from that screen. - I've tried HDMI Out 1 and 2, neither work.
- When the TV says "No Source" I can't see the OSD, but when it's just a black screen I can see it. Haven't found a pattern as to why I sometimes get No Source and sometimes a black screen (happens with every HDMI combination, I guess it just depends on how the RMC-1 feels like pushing the signal each time).
- Correct.
- Confirmed FW 1.5.
Well I finally got around to hooking my RMC-1 up... and I'm at a complete loss lol. It worked just fine at first. TV > RMC-1 > Blu-Ray Player. I noticed the RMC-1 was having trouble picking up the DTS-X track (it only wanted to pick up Dolby TrueHD) so I figured I would reboot the RMC-1 to see if that would help. Going from On > Standby > On didn't do anything. So I tried On > Standby > Off > On. That was a mistake. Nothing I do will display video from the Blu-Ray Player anymore. I've tried every combination of Blu-Ray Player Off/On/HDMI Disconnected, RMC-1 Off/Standby/On/HDMI Disconnected, and TV Off/On/HDMI Disconnected. Switching inputs on the RMC-1 doesn't do anything either. I can even put a Blu-Ray in the Player and hit Play and watch the different audio/video codecs on the front display change around, but the TV still won't pick up a video signal from the RMC-1 anymore. I'm using Monoprice 8K 48GBs HDMI cables so that shouldn't be the problem. All the HDMI-CEC stuff is turned off on the TV and RMC-1. Firmware is v1.5. The only tips I've found so far are to use HDMI 2 Out (the ARC port), turn off the "Video Standby" feature on the RMC-1, and to also just try turning the Blu-Ray Player On/Off a bunch of times in a row in hopes that the RMC-1 finally catches the HDMI video signal. I've tried both HDMI Outs (seems like the OSD works better on HDMI 2) as well as turning off Video Standby but it didn't make a difference. Connecting the Blu-Ray Player directly to the TV works fine. Connecting it to the RMC-1 gives a black screen. I've even did a factory reset on both the Blu-Ray Player and the RMC-1. Hopefully I'm just overlooking something obvious, as it really shouldn't be this hard to operate a $5,000 "Rethink High End" product (I've seen that message too many times today restarting the RMC-1 over and over again). I've already spent too much time troubleshooting it today, but will give it another shot tomorrow. Hopefully I didn't somehow fry the HDMI board or something just by turning it off? Try using the back power button and power off for a couple of minutes. - Rich I tried unplugging it overnight, no difference. You can see the RMC-1 changing the audio/video codecs in the below video (barely, sorry for the poor video) but in the end it only shows a black screen. If I bypass the RMC-1 and connect directly to the TV like in the below video, it works no problem.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 20, 2019 17:23:48 GMT -5
This thread was doomed from the beginning, but more importantly if you want something fixed, send the problems to support, posting here only guarantees that other users will see it. That’s the same for any high interest product. Just look at avs threads for popular products.. Thousands of posts. Finding just the things you want to read about is almost impossible without reading it all.. I’m not saying the thread was doomed because of the RMC-1, the thread just needed a better foundation.
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Post by 2muchht on Oct 20, 2019 17:44:32 GMT -5
For the reasons quoted above, as well as the fact that the thread bloat is compounded by comments dating back to before the product was shipping, can the mods please consider locking this thread and then immediately starting a new one. That will make it easier to zoom in on things related to the current product status.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 20, 2019 19:39:33 GMT -5
3 types of resets with RMC-1: 1. Reset: Press and release the RMC-1's standby button on front panel. 2. Hard Reset: Press for 10 seconds then release the RMC-1's standby button on front panel. 3. Cold Hard Reset from Lonnie: a. Unplug from wall (AC) power for 10 seconds from all sink (e.g. display) and source (e.g. blu ray players) devices that are part of RMC-1's video signal path. Then b. Reconnect wall (AC) power to all sink and source devices and (while NOT powering up any devices) let the devices communicate amongst each other for 2 minutes. Yes, devices can communicate to each other while in standby power mode (off). Then c. Power up only RMC-1 ... do not power up other sink and source devices ... wait until RMC-1 is fully powered up. Then d. Power up sink and source devices. Good info, but I think your 3 should be 4, and 3 should be “3. Cold Reset: Turn off the XMC/RMC rear power switch“, I believe it’s more effective than the 2. Hard Reset. 4 should be called something like: 4. Full Cold HDMI Reset (then your steps with sync, not sink) Also, this applies to all XMC & RMC models. Edit: So I’d put it: 1. Standby: Press and release the RMC/XMC’s standby button on front panel. (Depending on setup, this will either invoke ‘Low Power’ or ‘Video On’ Standby) 2. Hard Reset: Press for 10 seconds then release the RMC/XMC’s standby button on front panel. 3. Cold Reset: Turn off the RMC/XMC’s rear power switch 4. Cold HDMI Reset (from Lonnie): a. Unplug from AC power for 10 seconds from all sync (e.g. display) and source (e.g. blu ray players) devices that are part of RMC/XMC’s video signal path. Then b. Reconnect wall (AC) power to all sync and source devices and (while NOT powering up any devices) let the devices communicate amongst each other for 2 minutes. Yes, devices can communicate to each other while in standby power mode (off). Then c. Power up only RMC/XMC ... do not power up other sync and source devices ... wait until RMC/XMC is fully powered up. Then d. Power up sync and source devices.
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Post by aswiss on Oct 21, 2019 6:31:22 GMT -5
Hi
Why do you use HDMI 4? HDMI 3 is the ARC in order to get Sound from TV to RMC-1 (SmartHub etc) How is the HDMI Setup ?
Did you try the HDMI Troubleshooting from your TV?
In the 2nd Video - it takes very long, to receive Input from the BD Player until shown on the TV. Is there something else attached to the TV?
Do you get picture from any other units other than the bluray? Please do try to reset output resolution on the bluray player. Is this a uhd bluray or a standard? Do you get picture from the bluray directly connected to the TV? If you have a 1080p TV and a uhd Bluray and you mistakenly force the output to 4k you’ll get no picture. BTW this 8k cable, is it an active one? Fiber? Maybe you should try another one just to be sure if nothing else works before taking the next step. maconi btw what brand and model is your bluray player and TV.. Maybe someone else has had trouble with these? TV: Samsung Q90R 82" Blu-Ray Player: Panasonic DP-UB820 4K player Console: PS4 Receiver: RMC-1 If still nothing but you can see the RMC Info screen, maybe snap a photo of the screen and post it. Maybe there is something we can see from that screen. - I've tried HDMI Out 1 and 2, neither work.
- When the TV says "No Source" I can't see the OSD, but when it's just a black screen I can see it. Haven't found a pattern as to why I sometimes get No Source and sometimes a black screen (happens with every HDMI combination, I guess it just depends on how the RMC-1 feels like pushing the signal each time).
- Correct.
- Confirmed FW 1.5
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Post by maconi on Oct 21, 2019 7:30:41 GMT -5
Hi
Why do you use HDMI 4? HDMI 3 is the ARC in order to get Sound from TV to RMC-1 (SmartHub etc) How is the HDMI Setup ?
Did you try the HDMI Troubleshooting from your TV?
In the 2nd Video - it takes very long, to receive Input from the BD Player until shown on the TV. Is there something else attached to the TV?
TV: Samsung Q90R 82" Blu-Ray Player: Panasonic DP-UB820 4K player Console: PS4 Receiver: RMC-1 - I've tried HDMI Out 1 and 2, neither work.
- When the TV says "No Source" I can't see the OSD, but when it's just a black screen I can see it. Haven't found a pattern as to why I sometimes get No Source and sometimes a black screen (happens with every HDMI combination, I guess it just depends on how the RMC-1 feels like pushing the signal each time).
- Correct.
- Confirmed FW 1.5
Correct, HDMI 3 is the ARC port on the TV. I don't really need ARC though (not going to use any of the Smart TV apps anyway). HDMI 4 is the port that is likely HDMI 2.1 although it hasn't been certified yet. I was just setting it up that way so I wouldn't have to switch it over in the future. www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q90-q90r-qledwww.rtings.com/tv/discussions/exqRBUgajCQcQGfK/4k-120hz-details
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Post by aswiss on Oct 21, 2019 8:06:50 GMT -5
Hi
Why do you use HDMI 4? HDMI 3 is the ARC in order to get Sound from TV to RMC-1 (SmartHub etc) How is the HDMI Setup ?
Did you try the HDMI Troubleshooting from your TV?
In the 2nd Video - it takes very long, to receive Input from the BD Player until shown on the TV. Is there something else attached to the TV?
Correct, HDMI 3 is the ARC port on the TV. I don't really need ARC though (not going to use any of the Smart TV apps anyway). HDMI 4 is the port that is likely HDMI 2.1 although it hasn't been certified yet. I was just setting it up that way so I wouldn't have to switch it over in the future. www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q90-q90r-qledwww.rtings.com/tv/discussions/exqRBUgajCQcQGfK/4k-120hz-detailsRMC-1 can probably not Handle the HDMI 2.1 !
Not to switch for the future - very funny.
It's HDMI 2.0 only - and for your Samsung, I'm not sure if this causes the problem. Question was, did you try another HDMI port on the TV?
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Post by maconi on Oct 21, 2019 12:33:52 GMT -5
RMC-1 can probably not Handle the HDMI 2.1 !
Not to switch for the future - very funny.
It's HDMI 2.0 only - and for your Samsung, I'm not sure if this causes the problem. Question was, did you try another HDMI port on the TV?
I did try it with HDMI 3 (ARC) as well but no difference. You make a good point though. With how sensitive the RMC-1 is, I should probably just throw it on HDMI 3 for now to avoid any possible issues with HDMI 4's possible 2.1 features. I'll make a point to switch it over and do all testing on that port going forward.
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Post by hsamwel on Oct 21, 2019 14:05:59 GMT -5
2. Although still talking to RMC it should not demand the lower resolution if in standby.... ... When RMC-1 Output 1 and 2 both have a display connected, one display is active and the other display is inactive, but in standby mode: Can EMO development provide a "matrix mode" for RMC-1's outputs where the outputs are mutually exclusive and the RMC-1 only listens to the EDID coming from the user selected "active" output ... and ignores the EDID coming from the inactive output which has a display powered down in standby mode. Right now, RMC-1's Output 1 and 2 are in "splitter" mode, where both outputs get the same signal, but RMC-1 is listening to both outputs for EDID information. This mode is reeking havoc on the active output because the RMC-1 is being controlled, in some cases, by the EDID from the inactive output! Disconnecting the HDMI cable to the inactive RMC-1 output (with the display that's in standby power mode) is not an option. Matrix mode would prevent the RMC-1 from listening to EDID from the Output whose device is in standby and reeking havoc on the active RMC-1 output device. The user would have to select which RMC-1 output port (1 or 2) to use in matrix mode. FYI. You missed this discussion some time ago where @keithl talked about the design characteristics of the RMC-1 "splitter" output. It does not have to apply just to 2 displays devices with different resolutions (1080p vs 2160p) ... it can also apply to two 2160p display devices, one with Dolby Vision and the other without Dolby Vision ... which was my case (LG C8 77" OLED (DV)vs JVC 600 (no DV)). Development thought this was the "Frozen Dolby Vision EDID" bug ... it turned out not to be the case. It was the RMC-1 "splitter output" design limitation. @keithl recommended using a matrix switch connected to RMC-1 output (2?) to switch btwn TV and Projector if this was a problem ... opted for the Vertex2 option ... which also allows ARC audio to be sent from LG C8 77" OLED back to RMC-1 via Vertex2's "Audio Only" HDMI port. I did not miss it.. The first quote from Keith is an answer to one of my posts. Although I have not read fully what this frozen dolby vision EDID was about.. I did have my RMC lock on Dolby Vision in the info window before. Dolby Vision did not change until RMC was restarted. The output was correct however. But if one 4k unit supports Dolby Vision and the other not, it’s RMC’s task to NOT send Dolby Vision to any of them if both turned on IMHO. Unless there’s a bug in any of them reporting wrong to RMC. Same goes for if one have an older 4k projector without support for HDR.. Then it’s without hdr to both of them if both turned on. I have a 1080p projector and a 4k TV. These both report resolution, hdr, standby and everything correctly. So I have no problem with any of them. What is this design limit?
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Post by TDifEQ on Oct 21, 2019 16:12:09 GMT -5
My specific issue is that the JVC600 projector in standby (off) is controlling what EDID the RMC-1 is sending back to the source device when 2 displays are connected to RMC-1 ... one active and one in standby. If the RMC-1 output 1 and 2 design were optimal, it would allow the owner to choose from: 1. Output 1 only: RMC-1 passes EDID from display connected to RMC-1 Output1 to Source Device. 2. Output 2 only: RMC-1 passes EDID from display connected to RMC-1 Output2 to Source Device. 3. Output 1 and 2 simultaneously: RMC-1 passes lowest common denominator EDID from both displays to source device. This allows both devices to simultaneously display a picture. Right now, RMC-1 only does 3 ... and does it marginally well because the second display in standby (off) can send EDID info to and through RMC-1's splitter mode design ... and force the "lowest common denominator" EDID to be passed along to the source device. @keithl agrees with this and said if this situation occurs, use only 1 RMC-1 output connected to an external matrix switch. Use the matrix switch to control which of 2 displays are connected to RMC-1 Output (2?). Done this with Vertex2. HD Fury products handle "splitter" EDID in 2 modes: a. Matrix Mode (1 and 2 above): 2x2 or 4x2 splitters that can send Inputs mutually exclusive to either Output1 or Output2 b. Automix mode (3 above): 2x2 or 4x2 splitters that can send any Input to both Output1 and Output2 simultaneously using a pre-selected "lowest common denominator". HDfury Integral (2x2), Integral2 (2x2), Vertex(2x2) and Vertex2(4x2) all do this. HDfury is a video centric company. EMO is audio centric. So I've given up trying to get EMO to implement 1 and 2 above and I'm resigned to live within the "quirks" of the RMC-1 design ... that's why I'm using an HDfury Vertex2. One can also use an Integral2 for this which costs a lot less. Many Audio/Videophiles think audio processors should only do audio and let video processors (e.g. Lumagen Radiance Pro) do the video. If it weren't for the RMC-1's OSD, I would let Lumagen do the device switching. RMC-1 great sound quality is still keeping me in the game. NOTE: "2x2" and "4x2" is matrix switch nomenclature for "number_of_Inputs x number_of_Outputs". HDfury Integral2, Vertex and Vertex2 can send any input to any output at full 18Mbps (600MHz). In "split mode" it can send any input to both outputs and you can decide the "lowest common denominator" EDID for this. These products can also do scaling so the RMC-1 can send 2160p to the HDfury product and HDfury can down res to 1080p ... incase one has an older 2k tv. The advantage for doing this is the RMC-1 will always send out 2160p and avoid any issues involved in switching between different display resolutions (2k vs 4k). There are free apps for smart phones where you can control the HDfury product from the money seat.
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Post by maconi on Oct 21, 2019 21:17:54 GMT -5
I connected the laptop I planned on calibrating my sound system with (using REW) and still can't get audio/video from HDMI through the RMC. The laptop recognizes the Samsung TV through the RMC (TV > RMC > Laptop) but the display is still blank. I can actually get the OSD on the TV from the RMC if no HDMI devices are connected to the RMC. I choose "Extended Display" so that I could select 4K res for the TV and 1080 res for the laptop screen (duplicate didn't work either though).
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Post by klinemj on Oct 21, 2019 21:33:01 GMT -5
I connected the laptop I planned on calibrating my sound system with (using REW) and still can't get audio/video from HDMI through the RMC. The laptop recognizes the Samsung TV through the RMC (TV > RMC > Laptop) but the display is still blank. I can actually get the OSD on the TV from the RMC if no HDMI devices are connected to the RMC. I choose "Extended Display" so that I could select 4K res for the TV and 1080 res for the laptop screen (duplicate didn't work either though). Have you tried having the TV and RMC on but your laptop off (but connected to the RMC-1 via HDMI)...then powering up the laptop after the TV and RMC are already fully on? If not, try it and report what happens. Mark
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Post by traider79 on Oct 21, 2019 22:41:06 GMT -5
Just got the unit in last week and prepping the rack by taking all out reorganizing it and such. I will need a new HDMI about 30.feet. any suggestions what will work best? I tried some monoprice ones and they had some issues.
Thanks in advance
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 21, 2019 23:05:38 GMT -5
Just got the unit in last week and prepping the rack by taking all out reorganizing it and such. I will need a new HDMI about 30.feet. any suggestions what will work best? I tried some monoprice ones and they had some issues. Thanks in advance www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14467I know you had trouble with mono price, but I use this one with my RMC-1 at 35’. No issues with HDR 4k. 4:4:4
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 22, 2019 3:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by aswiss on Oct 22, 2019 12:41:16 GMT -5
As UHD certification is limited to 5 meters - for longer Distances I would also take a Fibre.
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Post by TDifEQ on Oct 22, 2019 13:54:21 GMT -5
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Post by dimora on Oct 22, 2019 15:07:14 GMT -5
Please give us an update on the subwoofer expansion module...like this one shown at CEDIA 2018 by Dan. Is this a real thing or a visual mock-up? If it's real, when can I buy one?
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