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Post by aswiss on Nov 5, 2019 10:26:40 GMT -5
High Quality Balanced to Unbalanced Output Adapters are now available !!!
I don't know if anybody has mentioned this already or not...
But we now have adapters available for connecting the balanced outputs on your RMC-1, RMC-1L, or XMC-2 to unbalanced inputs on other gear. These are neat little adapters with an XLR connector on one end to plug into the unit... And a female RCA connector on the other where you can connect an appropriate RCA-to-RCA interconnect cable. - These are pigtail adapters, with a high quality connector on each end, and about eight inches of flexible wire between them - Both connectors have high quality metal shells with a tough black coating - They are wired correctly (the inverting balanced output is not shorted to ground like it is on adapters intended for use with microphones) - Because the pigtail is flexible, it doesn't stick straight out like a solid adapter, so you don't need a lot of extra clearance for it - We used special slim-line connectors that have plenty of clearance for the closely-spaces connectors on the back of the RMC-1, RMC-1L, and XMC-2
- They're only $8 each
You can find them in the accessory section of our website... here:
Okay, so I have a question that I think warrants some clarification. When the RMC-1 was first shown to only have XLR outputs, some people questioned this or didn't like it. To answer their question and squelch the issue, Dan promised that each RMC-1 would come with 16 XLR to RCA adapters shipped in the box. November 2018 the first units shipped and no adapters were included. To answer then what the deal was, someone from Emotiva (I forget who exactly, but it was probably near the beginning of this thread) said that the adapters were not ready yet, but would be soon, probably early 2019, and would be made available to RMC-1 owners who requested them. Now, 11 months later, the adapters are finally available, and in the RMC-1 thread you are saying they are $8 each. So, are they still free for RMC-1 owners as Dan said they would be, but for RMC-1L and XMC-2 owners they are $8 each? Or, have minds changed again at Emotiva and they are now $8 each regardless of which unit you own? I think the $8 each is a very fair price for what appears to be a nice solid adapter, something I might considering purchasing on my own sans Emotiva processor. But I think there may be some RMC-1 owners expecting their adapters to be free, as they were originally promised. So clarification would be appreciated. I don't care if they are for free or 8$/pc - I simply don't want such cheap connectors, as they are not needed between RMC-1 and XPA-9 Gen3. I bought some good XLR Cables, which were 50$/each. They will stay, even if the RMC-1 needs to go some day.
Wiring cannot be Emotivas Business - therefore don't understand, why they promised to have that added in the box. For me its wasting of time and writing, to request things like this.
FW 1.7?
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Post by klinemj on Nov 5, 2019 10:40:21 GMT -5
At this past weekend's test day, Dan, Ray, and Damon said they feel it's done but they are awaiting Lonnie to sign off. He was out of town last week for family things. See the notes from the event for what 1.7 includes. -->CLICK HERE<--Mark
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Post by MonsieurAl on Nov 5, 2019 11:07:44 GMT -5
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Post by Geronimo on Nov 5, 2019 11:36:31 GMT -5
Why are you guys rushing/pressuring EMOTIVA for the firmware. You want a firmware full of bugs......That is ludicrous.....They are working on it. They are not holding it for no good reason.
EMOTIVA, don't rush it. Take your time, Get it right, then release it.
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Post by davidl81 on Nov 5, 2019 12:04:47 GMT -5
Okay, so I have a question that I think warrants some clarification. When the RMC-1 was first shown to only have XLR outputs, some people questioned this or didn't like it. To answer their question and squelch the issue, Dan promised that each RMC-1 would come with 16 XLR to RCA adapters shipped in the box. November 2018 the first units shipped and no adapters were included. To answer then what the deal was, someone from Emotiva (I forget who exactly, but it was probably near the beginning of this thread) said that the adapters were not ready yet, but would be soon, probably early 2019, and would be made available to RMC-1 owners who requested them. Now, 11 months later, the adapters are finally available, and in the RMC-1 thread you are saying they are $8 each. So, are they still free for RMC-1 owners as Dan said they would be, but for RMC-1L and XMC-2 owners they are $8 each? Or, have minds changed again at Emotiva and they are now $8 each regardless of which unit you own? I think the $8 each is a very fair price for what appears to be a nice solid adapter, something I might considering purchasing on my own sans Emotiva processor. But I think there may be some RMC-1 owners expecting their adapters to be free, as they were originally promised. So clarification would be appreciated. I don't care if they are for free or 8$/pc - I simply don't want such cheap connectors, as they are not needed between RMC-1 and XPA-9 Gen3. I bought some good XLR Cables, which were 50$/each. They will stay, even if the RMC-1 needs to go some day.
Wiring cannot be Emotivas Business - therefore don't understand, why they promised to have that added in the box. For me its wasting of time and writing, to request things like this.
FW 1.7?
To be fair many people don't have amps with XLR connections, especially for Atmos channels. Before I bought my RMC-1 I was using a A-700 for Atmos and I would have needed the adapters. And we were told that they would be included in the box with a RMC-1 purchase. Seems like to me Emotiva should provide those to customers who need them if they buy the RMC/XMC. Of course if your amp has XLR connections (as your XPA-9 does) you should take advantage of those.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 5, 2019 12:12:34 GMT -5
I don't care if they are for free or 8$/pc - I simply don't want such cheap connectors, as they are not needed between RMC-1 and XPA-9 Gen3. I bought some good XLR Cables, which were 50$/each. They will stay, even if the RMC-1 needs to go some day.
Wiring cannot be Emotivas Business - therefore don't understand, why they promised to have that added in the box. For me its wasting of time and writing, to request things like this.
FW 1.7?
To be fair many people don't have amps with XLR connections, especially for Atmos channels. Before I bought my RMC-1 I was using a A-700 for Atmos and I would have needed the adapters. And we were told that they would be included in the box with a RMC-1 purchase. Seems like to me Emotiva should provide those to customers who need them if they buy the RMC/XMC. Of course if your amp has XLR connections (as your XPA-9 does) you should take advantage of those.
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 5, 2019 12:37:45 GMT -5
we were told that they would be included in the box with a RMC-1 purchase. Seems like to me Emotiva should provide those to customers who need them if they buy the RMC/XMC. +1. Did a quick search. Told at least twice. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/907252/threademotivalounge.proboards.com/post/844932/threadPeople were promised them included with the RMC-1, hence why I'm asking the question about the $8. In my mind, a promise of "included in the box" means "provided / included" in the $5000 price. Perhaps that's just me? I don't think they were ever promised (or even mentioned really) in regards to the RMC-1L and/or the RMC-2. Therefore, it's nice that Emotiva has adapters for people to buy, but I don't think Emotiva has any obligation to "provide / include" them "in the box" to people who buy those processors. The RMC-1L costs $4000. It's the exact same processor as the $5000 RMC-1 minus 3 expansion slots. 16 adapters x $8 = $128. So $5000 - $128 - $4000 = $872 left over for the expansion ports. I don't think including them with the RMC-1 as promised will hurt them. But, that's just an outsider's opinion. I'm just asking the question which to this point no one else has bothered to ask.
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 5, 2019 12:45:38 GMT -5
Your memory matches mine. I would Also like clarification. Yes ;things have changed . They have obviously switched from something simple and cheap like this www.jaycar.com.au/3-pin-xlr-type-to-rca-adaptor/p/PA3800to something a bit better " They are wired correctly (the inverting balanced output is not shorted to ground like it is on adapters intended for use with microphones)" ; which describes the jaycar ones .. Which leaves the conundrum of insisting on the cheapo promised ones or paying for something decent ? Yet another good reason to have xlr balanced power amps I think you are simply making a very self inserted assumption that their original intent was some dime store Dollar General piece of junk. Emotiva almost always avoids those sort of things. The word "cheap" was not used in Dan's promise. And it's not like we are talking about going from a $3 adapter to a $50 adapter. The price difference here is minimal. So the only real thing here that may have changed is being included in the $5000 price, or not. And that's the question. It's simply a question.
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Post by thrillcat on Nov 5, 2019 13:50:23 GMT -5
we were told that they would be included in the box with a RMC-1 purchase. Seems like to me Emotiva should provide those to customers who need them if they buy the RMC/XMC. +1. Did a quick search. Told at least twice. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/907252/threademotivalounge.proboards.com/post/844932/threadPeople were promised them included with the RMC-1, hence why I'm asking the question about the $8. In my mind, a promise of "included in the box" means "provided / included" in the $5000 price. Perhaps that's just me? I don't think they were ever promised (or even mentioned really) in regards to the RMC-1L and/or the RMC-2. Therefore, it's nice that Emotiva has adapters for people to buy, but I don't think Emotiva has any obligation to "provide / include" them "in the box" to people who buy those processors. The RMC-1L costs $4000. It's the exact same processor as the $5000 RMC-1 minus 3 expansion slots. 16 adapters x $8 = $128. So $5000 - $128 - $4000 = $872 left over for the expansion ports. I don't think including them with the RMC-1 as promised will hurt them. But, that's just an outsider's opinion. I'm just asking the question which to this point no one else has bothered to ask. Told at least twice, and I think the bigger point is, I don’t think it was ever officially announced that they would NOT be included. I remember it being asked if they would still be included at the time of the RMC-1 initial release, and as far as I’m aware, the question was ignored while they answered other questions.
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Post by rbk123 on Nov 5, 2019 15:55:32 GMT -5
When they weren't included with the first batches of RMC-1's there was a ruckus, and eventually Dan posted and said they were making a bunch of them. I believe you had to contact Emotiva and ask for them, and/or mention you wanted them if you subsequently placed an order.
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Post by davidl81 on Nov 5, 2019 16:03:14 GMT -5
When they weren't included with the first batches of RMC-1's there was a ruckus, and eventually Dan posted and said they were making a bunch of them. I believe you had to contact Emotiva and ask for them, and/or mention you wanted them if you subsequently placed an order. I would think that if you asked for them Emotiva would send you them for free if you bought one of the new pre/pros. I just think Emotiva is not in the business of trying to make a ton of money form accessories like a bestbuy. I would be a little disappointed if I bought even the 3k XMC-2 and was told that they won't throw in the ball park $100 of XLR adapters. Also I'm pretty sure 90% of people would not need all 16 or so of them, maybe 6 or so.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 5, 2019 17:48:30 GMT -5
When they weren't included with the first batches of RMC-1's there was a ruckus, and eventually Dan posted and said they were making a bunch of them. I believe you had to contact Emotiva and ask for them, and/or mention you wanted them if you subsequently placed an order. I would think that if you asked for them Emotiva would send you them for free if you bought one of the new pre/pros. I just think Emotiva is not in the business of trying to make a ton of money form accessories like a bestbuy. I would be a little disappointed if I bought even the 3k XMC-2 and was told that they won't throw in the ball park $100 of XLR adapters. Also I'm pretty sure 90% of people would not need all 16 or so of them, maybe 6 or so. On the other hand, should they throw in the XLR cables if you’re hooking up to an amp with balanced inputs? Should they throw in the Premium HDMI cables you’ll now need to get a good 4K/HDR connection? Should they just give everyone 16 adapters even though many may need far less? Sure we all like something free. In my opinion they did two things wrong, first Dan shouldn’t have answered those who complained about no RCA outputs by saying “we’ll give you adapters”, second when the unit shipped and they internally decided they weren’t going to give the adapters, they should have announced “we’ve decided not to include XLR/RCA adapters”. The first was not a promise, but the second was definitely an omission (personally I’d prefer they don't spend money on things most people won’t use, so they can make more profit and keep their prices down). Bonzo stirs this up every few months and if he or anyone else wants to know why they made the decision, they should just call Emotiva and ask, no one is owed an explanation here, it’s just a distraction in the Owner’s thread.
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 5, 2019 18:29:47 GMT -5
On the other hand, should they throw in the XLR cables if you’re hooking up to an amp with balanced inputs? Should they throw in the Premium HDMI cables you’ll now need to get a good 4K/HDR connection? Of course not, they never said they would. You are stretching the issue for no reasoning. I don't think anyone would mind if they made people ask how many they want. Honest people will only ask for what they need. Well, he did didn't he. So your opinion is moot. Who said they decided they weren't? Nobody said that. The answer we got was more along the lines of "they aren't ready yet, but they will become available to people who want them." You are making assumptions. Well me thinks you have a funny definition of a promise. When someone says they are going to do something, especially publicly, it's a form a of a promise. Maybe not some huge monstrous promise, but it's still a promise. You don't have to say "I promise" to make it a promise. Or is that what you learned as a kid. I can totally understand that and it makes total sense. But, there are people who want them, and Emotiva offered them, so what you or I prefer isn't important. Thanks for giving me B.S. credit for something that isn't true. I did a quick search and while I did comment on this at the beginning of August, I was not the one who brought it up and I was like the 5th commenter. But that's okay, just blame Bonzo for everything because I am certainly Emotiva evil. Um, no. People are. The adapters were first mentioned here. Then they were announced available here. So there should be an answer here. I quoted KeithL so he is sure to see my question. Whether he's just been busy today, out of the office, or perhaps Emotiva is mulling the question over, who knows. But if people would just have a little patience I'm sure he will answer one way or another with something official. It amazes me how one simple question gets everyone in such a big huff around here. I'm done with the back and forth. I'm just going to wait for an answer. EDIT: P.S. There are now 12 people who have "liked" my original question post. So there are certainly other people interested to know.
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 5, 2019 21:35:04 GMT -5
When I really need to know the answer to something Emotiva related, I simply call them directly and ask. No waiting for an answer here on the Lounge from one of the Emotiva employees, especially since the Lounge was never meant to be a point of customer service contact for Emotiva but a place for like minded audio/video enthusiasts to hang out, help and socialize with each other. Bonzo, it sounds as if you really need an answer to your inquiry, so I bet if you call tomorrow and while you're ordering an RMC-1, they'd throw in the amount of those adapters you'll need to connect to your amplifier(s) that only have RCA inputs.
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 5, 2019 21:44:18 GMT -5
Your memory matches mine. I would Also like clarification. If you need the XLR to RCA adapters, just call and ask. While the Lounge has a few Emotiva employees that sometimes pop in and answer questions if they even see your posting, it isn't an official forum for them to reply to inquiries or questions.
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Post by cwt on Nov 5, 2019 22:59:11 GMT -5
Yes ;things have changed . They have obviously switched from something simple and cheap like this www.jaycar.com.au/3-pin-xlr-type-to-rca-adaptor/p/PA3800to something a bit better " They are wired correctly (the inverting balanced output is not shorted to ground like it is on adapters intended for use with microphones)" ; which describes the jaycar ones .. Which leaves the conundrum of insisting on the cheapo promised ones or paying for something decent ? Yet another good reason to have xlr balanced power amps I think you are simply making a very self inserted assumption that their original intent was some dime store Dollar General piece of junk. Emotiva almost always avoids those sort of things. The word "cheap" was not used in Dan's promise. And it's not like we are talking about going from a $3 adapter to a $50 adapter. The price difference here is minimal. So the only real thing here that may have changed is being included in the $5000 price, or not. And that's the question. It's simply a question. Yes that's whats happened here Bonzo ; they've done some research and seen the adapter ones are shorted to ground so the choice was an electrically inferior adapter or something better . They understand the limitations- The "dime store dollar'" option just didn't make the grade and Emo had to have these designed to their oem specifications ; but that costs a little money to potentially save money.. Another way of looking at this is Emo have saved considerable money for those who don't have sufficient short length rca cables to plug into the promised adapters . But that doesn't cross other minds ..
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Post by DaveMc on Nov 6, 2019 0:36:51 GMT -5
Greetings,
Just to note - I wrote an email request to Emotiva last week for two XLR/RCA cables for my subwoofer inputs, and they mailed them to me for free without any further questions. I have both an XMC-1 (waiting for XMC-2 upgrade), and a RMC-1 from the December 2018 build. Obviously I had already obtained "other" XLR to RCA cables, but I wanted to have the Emotiva versions for their size and ungrounded extra balanced lead.
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Post by rbk123 on Nov 6, 2019 8:15:16 GMT -5
My guess is they don't want to just include them in every unit shipped, since the vast majority won't need them so it would be a waste for both parties. However they will honor D's promise for those that ask; they've already posted that once and I doubt they'll post it again.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 6, 2019 9:16:02 GMT -5
Welp.. if it was me, which at some point it looks like it will be. I'd ask for all 16 adapters, if I ever want to move on from the rmc it would be a good selling point to have them.
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Post by rbk123 on Nov 6, 2019 9:22:50 GMT -5
Ask away when you place your order.
However, more than likely, you'll end up buying Chad's when he needs some dough and he won't have them..
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