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Post by TDifEQ on Dec 14, 2019 10:01:20 GMT -5
It's more a question of where is EMO placing their development resources … not time. Maybe EMO should go back to separate firmware releases for RMC vs XMC until they work out integrating all 3 processors in one release. This way, small firmware releases to specific processors can be sent out quickly without a ton of verification testing.
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Post by thrillcat on Dec 14, 2019 10:03:42 GMT -5
If they are taking this long to release 1.8 Well this tells me they have real problems with the RMC Oops. Does that mean all this while the problems we seen so far are not real enough for Emotiva to take notice?? Or that they know the problems but do not have the engineering prowess to resolve them in a timely and satisfactory manner? Hmm There’s no doubt that Emotiva knows of the problems their customers are having. My thought is that they see those problems as secondary to their problem, which is releasing Dirac so they can start the clock on the return window.
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Post by thrillcat on Dec 14, 2019 10:05:35 GMT -5
Here we go again....You guys begged, and pressured EMOTIVA for 1.7. See what you got? You got 1.7 (AKA bug city). Some are now reverting back to 1.5. Now I hope you are not going to pressure and plead/beg for another bug ridden half-cooked mish mash firmware. In my opinion, EMOTIVA needs to scrap their legacy XMC code and do a complete rewrite of almost all the code now that all their processors are based on the same hardware. Even up to today, the RMC-1 still reports itself as an XMC-1 via HDMI. Will they listen, and try it? Since that is the logical/rational thing to do, I would say a big, fat NOPE!Customers begged and pressured Emotiva for the RMC1, see what they got?
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Post by mikoz on Dec 14, 2019 10:43:47 GMT -5
Oops. Does that mean all this while the problems we seen so far are not real enough for Emotiva to take notice?? Or that they know the problems but do not have the engineering prowess to resolve them in a timely and satisfactory manner? Hmm There’s no doubt that Emotiva knows of the problems their customers are having. My thought is that they see those problems as secondary to their problem, which is releasing Dirac so they can start the clock on the return window. I think the video switching issues will simply never go away. They chose a chipset poorly. The overall problems with SW regressions and problems coming back and such...this is not going to change. Dirac is probably another full year out, however we will probably get some releases before then where not all channels work or only in certain modes. Meanwhile the rest of the world isn’t having the scope and severity and time duration of problems that rmc1 owners have, and emotiva completely missed their window of opportunity. It hurts us but it also hurts them, there can be do no doubt they’ve lost market share both real and projected, because of this. I think I need to try to sell this soon to cover my cost of the card and the unit itself.
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Post by doc1963 on Dec 14, 2019 11:48:21 GMT -5
There’s no doubt that Emotiva knows of the problems their customers are having. My thought is that they see those problems as secondary to their problem, which is releasing Dirac so they can start the clock on the return window. I think the video switching issues will simply never go away. They chose a chipset poorly. The overall problems with SW regressions and problems coming back and such...this is not going to change. Dirac is probably another full year out, however we will probably get some releases before then where not all channels work or only in certain modes. Meanwhile the rest of the world isn’t having the scope and severity and time duration of problems that rmc1 owners have, and emotiva completely missed their window of opportunity. It hurts us but it also hurts them, there can be do no doubt they’ve lost market share both real and projected, because of this. I think I need to try to sell this soon to cover my cost of the card and the unit itself. They “chose” a chipset poorly or “implemented” it poorly...? Since the Panasonic chipset is wildly popular and used by many of the biggest names in the industry without problems, I’d tend to believe it’s the latter. My AV8805 (as well as the AV7703 it replaced) uses the same identical chipset as what Emotiva is using and there’s absolutely no issues with input switching or audio locks. Those two reasons alone are why my XMC-1 (with the V3 HDMI board) is sitting in its box and banished to the storage room.
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Post by adaboy on Dec 14, 2019 11:55:18 GMT -5
I think the video switching issues will simply never go away. They chose a chipset poorly. The overall problems with SW regressions and problems coming back and such...this is not going to change. Dirac is probably another full year out, however we will probably get some releases before then where not all channels work or only in certain modes. Meanwhile the rest of the world isn’t having the scope and severity and time duration of problems that rmc1 owners have, and emotiva completely missed their window of opportunity. It hurts us but it also hurts them, there can be do no doubt they’ve lost market share both real and projected, because of this. I think I need to try to sell this soon to cover my cost of the card and the unit itself. They “chose” a chipset poorly or “implemented” it poorly...? Since the Panasonic chipset is wildly popular and used by many of the biggest names in the industry without problems, I’d tend to believe it’s the latter. My AV8805 (as well as the AV7703 it replaced) uses the same identical chipset as what Emotiva is using and there’s absolutely no issues with input switching or audio locks. Those two reasons alone are why my XMC-1 (with the V3 HDMI board) is sitting in its box and banished to the storage room. Yikes, thanks for clarifying that these issues are Emotiva's fault and not the other manufacturers "lack of adherence to whatever standards"
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 14, 2019 12:10:23 GMT -5
They “chose” a chipset poorly or “implemented” it poorly...? Since the Panasonic chipset is wildly popular and used by many of the biggest names in the industry without problems, I’d tend to believe it’s the latter. My AV8805 (as well as the AV7703 it replaced) uses the same identical chipset as what Emotiva is using and there’s absolutely no issues with input switching or audio locks. Those two reasons alone are why my XMC-1 (with the V3 HDMI board) is sitting in its box and banished to the storage room. Yikes, thanks for clarifying that these issues are Emotiva's fault and not the other manufacturers "lack of adherence to whatever standards" He forgot the disclaimer at the beginning of his post.. opinion isn't fact, fact is it's someone else's fault.
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Post by mikoz on Dec 14, 2019 21:58:26 GMT -5
They “chose” a chipset poorly or “implemented” it poorly...? Since the Panasonic chipset is wildly popular and used by many of the biggest names in the industry without problems, I’d tend to believe it’s the latter. My AV8805 (as well as the AV7703 it replaced) uses the same identical chipset as what Emotiva is using and there’s absolutely no issues with input switching or audio locks. Those two reasons alone are why my XMC-1 (with the V3 HDMI board) is sitting in its box and banished to the storage room. Yikes, thanks for clarifying that these issues are Emotiva's fault and not the other manufacturers "lack of adherence to whatever standards" Then if emotiva can’t even make it work whereas others have no issues with the same chipset, and we still have no eta for Dirac, what’s going on here? Is everyone really having their hats on audio quality? If a car maker wanted to sell you a car with square tires, and no seats, yet the engine sounded good, would you hang out and wait for fixes for such basic issues?
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Post by hsamwel on Dec 15, 2019 3:28:07 GMT -5
Well didn’t they say about a month ago that they hope/plan to have Dirac out for Q1 2020? I think it was on their ”Emofest” or what it was called where anyone could visit them and have demos and buy stuff.
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Post by hsamwel on Dec 15, 2019 3:36:13 GMT -5
Emotiva and Dirac should do a joint press release explaining the issues with Dirac Live IMHO. Especially if the cause of delay is from both parts.
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Post by steelman1991 on Dec 15, 2019 5:55:14 GMT -5
Right guys - a little different perspective from the usual "negativity" on here.
Despite the horror stories, played out here and on AVS Forums, I purchased the RMC-1 along with various Emotiva amps for my new home theatre. The construction took longer than anticipated and I've sat on the sidelines on this thread with a growing sense of fear, rather than excited anticipation. Thankfully my fears have been unfounded. I don't require a complex set-up (unlike others here), only powering a Projector as source and all equipment (Kaleidescape, Shield 2019 Pro and SKY Q) is fully HDMI 2.0b and HDCP 2.2 compliant, with "Premium Certified" cables.
First impressions are the sound quality is excellent. I have a heavily treated room, therefore have less desire/need for DIRAC than others, so I can live without it - though will be nice to see what, if anything it adds when introduced. My speakers are JBL SCL-2 and SCL-4 in-walls and SSW-2 subs (2) - 7.2.4 formation - and the RMC-1 make these babies sing. Other than distances and levels no other adjustments have been made. May consider going the REW route, but seems plenty complex - something to ponder. The power and accuracy of the RMC-1 is wonderful and dialogue is crystal clear. Have been running for the last few days (running firmware 1.7) and it's performance has been rock solid. I don't use matrixed "upstreaming" of audio tracks, preferring the "native" included versions and haven't had any DTS dropouts, or dropouts of any kind.
I know there is much criticism of Emo, from owners here, but for my set-up and needs this is a first class product and one which looks like providing a lot of pleasure. Had friends round last evening and playback was flawless and it's performance elicited comments on it's power, steering and clarity of sound.
One happy camper - well done Emotiva.
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Post by hsamwel on Dec 15, 2019 12:26:18 GMT -5
Right guys - a little different perspective from the usual "negativity" on here. Despite the horror stories, played out here and on AVS Forums, I purchased the RMC-1 along with various Emotiva amps for my new home theatre. The construction took longer than anticipated and I've sat on the sidelines on this thread with a growing sense of fear, rather than excited anticipation. Thankfully my fears have been unfounded. I don't require a complex set-up (unlike others here), only powering a Projector as source and all equipment (Kaleidescape, Shield 2019 Pro and SKY Q) is fully HDMI 2.0b and HDCP 2.2 compliant, with "Premium Certified" cables. First impressions are the sound quality is excellent. I have a heavily treated room, therefore have less desire/need for DIRAC than others, so I can live without it - though will be nice to see what, if anything it adds when introduced. My speakers are JBL SCL-2 and SCL-4 in-walls and SSW-2 subs (2) - 7.2.4 formation - and the RMC-1 make these babies sing. Other than distances and levels no other adjustments have been made. May consider going the REW route, but seems plenty complex - something to ponder. The power and accuracy of the RMC-1 is wonderful and dialogue is crystal clear. Have been running for the last few days (running firmware 1.7) and it's performance has been rock solid. I don't use matrixed "upstreaming" of audio tracks, preferring the "native" included versions and haven't had any DTS dropouts, or dropouts of any kind. I know there is much criticism of Emo, from owners here, but for my set-up and needs this is a first class product and one which looks like providing a lot of pleasure. Had friends round last evening and playback was flawless and it's performance elicited comments on it's power, steering and clarity of sound. One happy camper - well done Emotiva. Happy for you bud, so far you are the only person not to experience any of the Known issues. Also the RMC-1 does not provide power, so that kudos would go to the amplifiers you have which Emo is good at manufacturing. Well, I don’t experience any issues either. It simply works for me! Only thing was that they broke Video Remains On feature in firmware 1.7. Other than that it works just fine with both a 4k TV and a 1080p projector connected.
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Post by deewan on Dec 15, 2019 12:46:30 GMT -5
I have been doing a lot of comparing and setup changes with the RMC and 8805. I would agree with steelman1991 that if you have only HDMI 2.0b and HDCP 2.2 compliant source devices and compliant display devices connected, all why playing only the native audio soundtracks the RMC behaves much better. For the past two weeks or so I've completely disconnected my cable box from my system, I purchased a new secondary monitor that is hdmi 4K and 2.0b compliant (old one was 1080p 1.4), I swapped out my Gen 3 AppleTV with the latest 4K AppleTV, I changed ALL hdmi cables to fiber instead of just the longer runs, and setting the RMC to simply pass the native soundtrack instead of upmixing of any sort the RM. With all that the RMC still has issues, but they are tolerable for the most part for me. I still have some PCM 2.0 audio issues. I still lose the first second of some audio tracks depending on source.... hdmi switching seems more stable but still very slow. So why I'm happier with the RMC, I didn't buy a $5000 16 channel processor to endure these issues have experience all movie soundtracks in their native channel count while the 805 seems to be able to upmix without issue. At the very least these RMC limitations would make any channel expansion modules completely worthless.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 15, 2019 13:44:49 GMT -5
I have been doing a lot of comparing and setup changes with the RMC and 8805. I would agree with steelman1991 that if you have only HDMI 2.0b and HDCP 2.2 compliant source devices and compliant display devices connected, all why playing only the native audio soundtracks the RMC behaves much better. For the past two weeks or so I've completely disconnected my cable box from my system, I purchased a new secondary monitor that is hdmi 4K and 2.0b compliant (old one was 1080p 1.4), I swapped out my Gen 3 AppleTV with the latest 4K AppleTV, I changed ALL hdmi cables to fiber instead of just the longer runs, and setting the RMC to simply pass the native soundtrack instead of upmixing of any sort the RM. With all that the RMC still has issues, but they are tolerable for the most part for me. I still have some PCM 2.0 audio issues. I still lose the first second of some audio tracks depending on source.... hdmi switching seems more stable but still very slow. So why I'm happier with the RMC, I didn't buy a $5000 16 channel processor to endure these issues have experience all movie soundtracks in their native channel count while the 805 seems to be able to upmix without issue. At the very least these RMC limitations would make any channel expansion modules completely worthless. May I ask what sort of issues you would/could experience with just 1080p sources and displays? If any.. And you can't actually use all 13+ speakers with the rmc ?
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Post by deewan on Dec 15, 2019 13:58:44 GMT -5
May I ask what sort of issues you would/could experience with just 1080p sources and displays? If any.. And you can't actually use all 13+ speakers with the rmc ? I'm actually wired for 11.4.6 with current amplification for 9.x.6. However, if using the RMC to upmix something like a 5.1 soundtrack to 7.1.4 (or something of the sort) I sometimes experience issues like flaky audio. When I had a 1080p 1.4 monitor connected video lock on was iffy even when the display wasn't powered on. If I both display devices powered on neither would display a video image. When I had my cable box connected, I would experience audio dropouts while changing channels or pausing playing (this had gotten better with the most recent FW but was still present). I still experience issues with audio dropouts when I connect older devices. Some devices and sources will cause the RMC to drop audio and display "PCM 0.0" for a split second then bring back audio and show the proper "PCM 2.0" signal. This happens about every 10 seconds. This next statement shouldn't be taken as the end all be all summary of the RMC, but rather a generic and high level description of how I personally have experienced the RMC.... " The RMC is more stable with few devices that are all current technology and the RMC struggles when asked to be backwards compatible".
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Post by hsamwel on Dec 15, 2019 15:42:51 GMT -5
May I ask what sort of issues you would/could experience with just 1080p sources and displays? If any.. And you can't actually use all 13+ speakers with the rmc ? I'm actually wired for 11.4.6 with current amplification for 9.x.6. However, if using the RMC to upmix something like a 5.1 soundtrack to 7.1.4 (or something of the sort) I sometimes experience issues like flaky audio. When I had a 1080p 1.4 monitor connected video lock on was iffy even when the display wasn't powered on. If I both display devices powered on neither would display a video image. When I had my cable box connected, I would experience audio dropouts while changing channels or pausing playing (this had gotten better with the most recent FW but was still present). I still experience issues with audio dropouts when I connect older devices. Some devices and sources will cause the RMC to drop audio and display "PCM 0.0" for a split second then bring back audio and show the proper "PCM 2.0" signal. This happens about every 10 seconds. This next statement shouldn't be taken as the end all be all summary of the RMC, but rather a generic and high level description of how I personally have experienced the RMC.... " The RMC is more stable with few devices that are all current technology and the RMC struggles when asked to be backwards compatible". Yes, I guess new 4k devices really helps. I have now recently upgraded my dish receiver to a Android based with 4k output. So even less chance of issues I hope. But still my hdmi 1.4 projector behaves well.. I’m glad Panasonic did everything right. I also have none of the PCM or DTS issues.. Although I almost never upmix audio. But those times I have tested it seemed to work. But the volume of DTS Neural:X seemed very low in volume. Especially compared to using (straight) Surround mode. But RMC is slow switching modes, inputs and whatever. I also have no audio first 1-2 seconds mostly because of this. Video however plays instantly, just that it can be quiet first couple of seconds if RMC needs to change mode.
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Post by richb on Dec 15, 2019 16:39:20 GMT -5
I'm actually wired for 11.4.6 with current amplification for 9.x.6. However, if using the RMC to upmix something like a 5.1 soundtrack to 7.1.4 (or something of the sort) I sometimes experience issues like flaky audio. When I had a 1080p 1.4 monitor connected video lock on was iffy even when the display wasn't powered on. If I both display devices powered on neither would display a video image. When I had my cable box connected, I would experience audio dropouts while changing channels or pausing playing (this had gotten better with the most recent FW but was still present). I still experience issues with audio dropouts when I connect older devices. Some devices and sources will cause the RMC to drop audio and display "PCM 0.0" for a split second then bring back audio and show the proper "PCM 2.0" signal. This happens about every 10 seconds. This next statement shouldn't be taken as the end all be all summary of the RMC, but rather a generic and high level description of how I personally have experienced the RMC.... " The RMC is more stable with few devices that are all current technology and the RMC struggles when asked to be backwards compatible". Yes, I guess new 4k devices really helps. I have now recently upgraded my dish receiver to a Android based with 4k output. So even less chance of issues I hope. But still my hdmi 1.4 projector behaves well.. I’m glad Panasonic did everything right. I also have none of the PCM or DTS issues.. Although I almost never upmix audio. But those times I have tested it seemed to work. But the volume of DTS Neural:X seemed very low in volume. Especially compared to using (straight) Surround mode. But RMC is slow switching modes, inputs and whatever. I also have no audio first 1-2 seconds mostly because of this. Video however plays instantly, just that it can be quiet first couple of seconds if RMC needs to change mode. DTS-X is 6 dB low, I have reported this to Emotiva. -Rich
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Post by hsamwel on Dec 15, 2019 16:52:55 GMT -5
Yes, I guess new 4k devices really helps. I have now recently upgraded my dish receiver to a Android based with 4k output. So even less chance of issues I hope. But still my hdmi 1.4 projector behaves well.. I’m glad Panasonic did everything right. I also have none of the PCM or DTS issues.. Although I almost never upmix audio. But those times I have tested it seemed to work. But the volume of DTS Neural:X seemed very low in volume. Especially compared to using (straight) Surround mode. But RMC is slow switching modes, inputs and whatever. I also have no audio first 1-2 seconds mostly because of this. Video however plays instantly, just that it can be quiet first couple of seconds if RMC needs to change mode. DTS-X is 6 dB low, I have reported this to Emotiva. -Rich Yes, but this not unnormal.. A friends Yamaha 3080 receiver has difference between atmos and dts:x.. Same with my Pioneer receiver I had before RMC. What is however, is DTS Neural:X it seems very low.. The upmixers on both Yamaha and Pioneer had more even volume.
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Post by stuartves on Dec 16, 2019 6:46:24 GMT -5
Could someone please give me some advice about REW calibration for centre, surround, atmos
I loaded the Emotiva Mic calibration files that were kindly provided and with the guidance of the recent youtube video someone on here linked. I also loaded a Hauser Curve. I have managed to adjust the equalization of my front stereo speakers ( Monitor Audio PL300) and it has greatly improved the sound. I was very happy as I previously I have been overwhelmed with the REW program and most tuition videos are aimed at people who know basically what they're doing.
This was my first proper attempt and despite the great improvement I have a few questions ti be answered if someone can kindly do so.
I have a ASUS laptop running Windows 10
1. When calibrating the room eq for example on PRESET 2. Do I have to manually set the speaker distances ,and levels within the RMC-1 prior to calibration? 2. The Rew program only has LEFT ,RIGHT or LEFT + RIGHT. Should I calibrate my Left and Right speakers individually or as a pair? 3. How do I calibrate my Centre , surround and atmos speakers? 4.If I calibrate my sub, do I need to unplug my other speakers? 5. Is there a separate curve I should download for centre ,surround atmos and sub different to the mains?
I apologise if these questions seem silly. I was just hoping to wait for DIRAC , but reading these posts it doesn;t look very hopeful for now.
Having said that I reaLly love my RMC-1 despite its quirks. My equipment is as follows
1. Processor - Emotiva RMC-1 2. Amp 1. Emotiva Gen3 DR3 for fronts and centre 3. Amp 2 Emotiva Gen 3 6 Channel for Sides, Front and Centre Atmos 4. Speakers. Monitor Audio PL300 Fronts, Monitor Audio PLC350 Centre, Monitor Audio GXFX Sides, Monitor Audio PL215 Sub, SVS prime Elevation for front & centre atmos 5. Source..Oppo UDP205 , Zappiti 4k HDR Pro , PS4, Asus Laptop with Audirvarna connected with USB to Oppo.
Thanks Guys. Any help is appreciated.
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Post by Gerard on Dec 16, 2019 15:14:32 GMT -5
Fortunately my issues with the RMC-1 have been limited as well. I do occasionally get a lockup that needs a reboot. And every so often an audio drop that requires one as well. I do have a detected room that was analyzed and sound treated but even with that when My Anthem D2V3d was the hart of the system the ARC (room correction) made a difference. So I am looking forward to Dirac. Its inclusion in the RMC-1 is why I chose it over the Marantz and Audyssey.
Not suggesting just because a some of us are running well the known bugs should not be addressed. But my concern is more of a delivery date on Dirac
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