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Post by richb on May 8, 2019 11:19:03 GMT -5
For everyone on here and on the v3 HDMI board thread expressing how excited they are for the XMC-2 to be released, “I hope it is out soon!”, “They said by summer, where is it?” etc., I’d like to direct you to the RMC-1 threads for the 6 months leading up to its release. Read through those, take note of the release issues, and rethink if you really want to go down that road. The people who pressured them to release it “now” are the same people who are now cursing them for releasing a product before it was ready. I think 90% of Emotiva’s release problems come from rushing to releases a product to satiate people here. I’d rather wait until it’s ready. If the RMC-1 release history doesn’t convince you, may I direct you to the XMC-1 threads prior to release. Or the XMC-1 v3 HDMI board threads prior to release. Or... I would counter that and say that Emotiva does not have the in house man power to fully vet its Pre/Pros before it releases them. Not a knock on Emotiva as I think Lonnie and his team do a good job, I think its just a matter of not having enough man hours to test all of the multitudes of HDMI input/output combos in the market. If the RMC-1 would have been delayed till Fall 2019 it still would have had the majority of issues that it had during its initial release. For better or worse early Emotiva Pre/Pro adopters will always be semi Beta testers. Since HDMI is a mess, many configurations must be tested, more than can be done in-house. Expanded beta testing is the only viable choice. - Rich
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Post by cwt on May 8, 2019 12:58:17 GMT -5
I think the smart move [ if you conclude more beta testing and less rush scenario is best ] is to trade up to the RMC1L rather than the XMC2 as its practically for all intents and purposes the same as the RMC1; less the expansion slots of course It follows it will be to at least the same level of competence as the RMC1 is atm .. A form of limited guarantee you might say Of course this is all contingent on the XMC2 release date ; we all know how to wait and of course patience is a virtue
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Post by rbk123 on May 8, 2019 13:49:07 GMT -5
I would counter that and say that Emotiva does not have the in house man power to fully vet its Pre/Pros before it releases them. Not a knock on Emotiva as I think Lonnie and his team do a good job, I think its just a matter of not having enough man hours to test all of the multitudes of HDMI input/output combos in the market. If the RMC-1 would have been delayed till Fall 2019 it still would have had the majority of issues that it had during its initial release. For better or worse early Emotiva Pre/Pro adopters will always be semi Beta testers. While I agree with what Thrillcat said, I also agree with this as well, which equally can be seen by all the examples Thrillcat mentioned. I'd also add that I doubt the main driver for pushing the processors out early is the whining/crying on this board. No doubt they have investor, competition, and revenue pressures that far outweigh this board's complaining pressure. Although the RMC may be buggy, they've been generating revenue from it for the past 6 mo's, which would be zero had they waited. However Thrillcat is ultimately correct in the end: to those chomping at the bit to trade-in, beware of what you wish for.
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Post by thrillcat on May 8, 2019 14:24:46 GMT -5
For everyone on here and on the v3 HDMI board thread expressing how excited they are for the XMC-2 to be released, “I hope it is out soon!”, “They said by summer, where is it?” etc., I’d like to direct you to the RMC-1 threads for the 6 months leading up to its release. Read through those, take note of the release issues, and rethink if you really want to go down that road. The people who pressured them to release it “now” are the same people who are now cursing them for releasing a product before it was ready. I think 90% of Emotiva’s release problems come from rushing to releases a product to satiate people here. I’d rather wait until it’s ready. If the RMC-1 release history doesn’t convince you, may I direct you to the XMC-1 threads prior to release. Or the XMC-1 v3 HDMI board threads prior to release. Or... I would counter that and say that Emotiva does not have the in house man power to fully vet its Pre/Pros before it releases them. Not a knock on Emotiva as I think Lonnie and his team do a good job, I think its just a matter of not having enough man hours to test all of the multitudes of HDMI input/output combos in the market. If the RMC-1 would have been delayed till Fall 2019 it still would have had the majority of issues that it had during its initial release. For better or worse early Emotiva Pre/Pro adopters will always be semi Beta testers. I don't think you're providing a counterpoint at all, more of an additional thought. I agree wholeheartedly, but I do believe that, without everybody here talking about how terrible Emotiva is for not making their ship dates, they probably would spend more time going through things. But quite frankly, by announcing products in the pipeline, they're putting themselves in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation here. They might take longer and miss product windows of opportunity, but I'll wager they would take longer to release. And admit it, it all turns into a bunch of people saying, in essence, "Emotiva has left me no choice but to buy an Anthem and then return it and buy the Emotiva anyway" or "if they don't have it ready to go by XX.XX.XXXX then I'm going to have to just .... give up and wait a little longer."
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Post by wizardofoz on May 9, 2019 1:10:03 GMT -5
So my 40% off card is worth the price the XMC-1 as a trade in based on trade in price to get RMC-1 at $2999 Maybe I should upgrade both my XMC-1's to XMC-2 and keep or sell my 40% card...hmmm
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Post by zarthaz on May 9, 2019 3:56:48 GMT -5
Mmm, only became recently aware of the trade in offer, count me in. Rather do that then sending my XMC-1 in for Atmos upgrade as first planned.
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Post by ÈlTwo on May 9, 2019 7:16:54 GMT -5
Mmm, only became recently aware of the trade in offer, count me in. Rather do that then sending my XMC-1 in for Atmos upgrade as first planned. That's exactly what I'm doing.
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Post by overtheair on May 9, 2019 18:19:43 GMT -5
For everyone on here and on the v3 HDMI board thread expressing how excited they are for the XMC-2 to be released, “I hope it is out soon!”, “They said by summer, where is it?” etc., I’d like to direct you to the RMC-1 threads for the 6 months leading up to its release. Read through those, take note of the release issues, and rethink if you really want to go down that road. The people who pressured them to release it “now” are the same people who are now cursing them for releasing a product before it was ready. I think 90% of Emotiva’s release problems come from rushing to releases a product to satiate people here. I’d rather wait until it’s ready. If the RMC-1 release history doesn’t convince you, may I direct you to the XMC-1 threads prior to release. Or the XMC-1 v3 HDMI board threads prior to release. Or... While the sentiment expressed is reasonable, there does seem to be a case of "its different this time" for the XMC-2. In your examples, the XMC-1 was a completely new H/W and S/W platform, the RMC-1 was a completely new H/W and S/W platform, the V3 HDMI board was a completely new H/W and S/W HDMI platform. Based on what has been communicated it seems the XMC-2 will have the same DSP board (may be populated with lower performance versions of the Griffin Lite family although it seems questionable use of engineering resource and the extra SKU to qualify an extra option given relative chip cost savings), the same HDMI board, possibly even the same DAC board (although I'd say the risk of a design variant on this is low anyway), same minor additional boards. XMC-2 may require different front panel software. So overall the risk will be much lower for XMC-2, a good thing for Emotiva and for customers. BTW, to anticipate possible comments that this can't be the case because of the different price points for RMC-1, RMC-1L and XMC-2, note that the market is setting the price for different channel count, interface and expansion capabilities, not cost plus manufacturing by Emotiva.
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Post by Lsc on May 9, 2019 18:48:50 GMT -5
So my 40% off card is worth the price the XMC-1 as a trade in based on trade in price to get RMC-1 at $2999 Maybe I should upgrade both my XMC-1's to XMC-2 and keep or sell my 40% card...hmmm Sounds like the right move to me. Even if you want to get the RMC1, you can trade up for $2999 and sell your 40% off card. Basically since you have 2 XMC1s, you have lots of options. Ya lucky bastod!
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Post by Lsc on May 9, 2019 18:54:38 GMT -5
For everyone on here and on the v3 HDMI board thread expressing how excited they are for the XMC-2 to be released, “I hope it is out soon!”, “They said by summer, where is it?” etc., I’d like to direct you to the RMC-1 threads for the 6 months leading up to its release. Read through those, take note of the release issues, and rethink if you really want to go down that road. The people who pressured them to release it “now” are the same people who are now cursing them for releasing a product before it was ready. I think 90% of Emotiva’s release problems come from rushing to releases a product to satiate people here. I’d rather wait until it’s ready. If the RMC-1 release history doesn’t convince you, may I direct you to the XMC-1 threads prior to release. Or the XMC-1 v3 HDMI board threads prior to release. Or... While the sentiment expressed is reasonable, there does seem to be a case of "its different this time" for the XMC-2. In your examples, the XMC-1 was a completely new H/W and S/W platform, the RMC-1 was a completely new H/W and S/W platform, the V3 HDMI board was a completely new H/W and S/W HDMI platform. Based on what has been communicated it seems the XMC-2 will have the same DSP board (may be populated with lower performance versions of the Griffin Lite family although it seems questionable use of engineering resource and the extra SKU to qualify an extra option given relative chip cost savings), the same HDMI board, possibly even the same DAC board (although I'd say the risk of a design variant on this is low anyway), same minor additional boards. XMC-2 may require different front panel software. So overall the risk will be much lower for XMC-2, a good thing for Emotiva and for customers. BTW, to anticipate possible comments that this can't be the case because of the different price points for RMC-1, RMC-1L and XMC-2, note that the market is setting the price for different channel count, interface and expansion capabilities, not cost plus manufacturing by Emotiva. I’m hoping for this summer for the XMC2 but if it doesn’t come out on time my life won’t be on hold. I agree the fact that they are basing all 3 processors off of the same platform, it does make me more confident that they will release it on time. I’m thinking it’s the RMC1 with not fully balanced DACs in 11 of the 15 channels, different front screen but same firmware. At the Goldilocks just right price point, the RMC1L is very compelling. It would have been even more compelling if I still had my XMC1 .
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Post by visiter555 on May 19, 2019 22:54:06 GMT -5
So my 40% off card is worth the price the XMC-1 as a trade in based on trade in price to get RMC-1 at $2999 Maybe I should upgrade both my XMC-1's to XMC-2 and keep or sell my 40% card...hmmm I still have two 40% off cards and the 25% for life as well. That does make things complicated to say the least. Plus my two UMC-1s, UMC-200, XMC-1 and my 8100... Decisions decisions and more decisions
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Post by wizardofoz on May 20, 2019 3:32:29 GMT -5
I have 25% MFL too and yes still have a Umc-1 and Umc-200 and an 8100 with one dead channel, plus 2 upa-500’s and a few other bits and bobs with Emotiva written on them. I hear ya...
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Post by wilburthegoose on May 20, 2019 9:08:06 GMT -5
I would counter that and say that Emotiva does not have the in house man power to fully vet its Pre/Pros before it releases them. Not a knock on Emotiva as I think Lonnie and his team do a good job, I think its just a matter of not having enough man hours to test all of the multitudes of HDMI input/output combos in the market. If the RMC-1 would have been delayed till Fall 2019 it still would have had the majority of issues that it had during its initial release. For better or worse early Emotiva Pre/Pro adopters will always be semi Beta testers. Since HDMI is a mess, many configurations must be tested, more than can be done in-house. Expanded beta testing is the only viable choice. - Rich richb - agree 100%. There are so many test cases..... I had one last night - watching 4k on DirecTV thru the XMC-1 and LG OLED TV. Worked perfectly until I hit the guide and switched to a hockey game in 1080i. I had done this many times previously, but this one resulted in no picture on the TV. Tried everything, and ultimately had to flip the circuit breaker for 2 minutes to ensure that everything handshaked over again. I'm not saying this is the XMC-1's fault - this time I'm betting it was the TV, but WOW - the mess known as HDMI is almost certainly the root cause of so many of our issues.
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Post by grubenstadt on May 21, 2019 18:55:27 GMT -5
I did some basic/rough arithmetic for an Australian with an XMC-1 and a 40% off card. Turns out it's much cheaper to sell the XMC-1 locally and use the 40% card for the RMC1 or 1L. XMC2 works out about the same either way.
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Post by mick on May 21, 2019 20:40:48 GMT -5
I did some basic/rough arithmetic for an Australian with an XMC-1 and a 40% off card. Turns out it's much cheaper to sell the XMC-1 locally and use the 40% card for the RMC1 or 1L. XMC2 works out about the same either way. Yep, better to sell your XMC-1 in AUS and use your UFL, saves postage one way.
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Post by grubenstadt on May 21, 2019 20:53:47 GMT -5
I did some basic/rough arithmetic for an Australian with an XMC-1 and a 40% off card. Turns out it's much cheaper to sell the XMC-1 locally and use the 40% card for the RMC1 or 1L. XMC2 works out about the same either way. Yep, better to sell your XMC-1 in AUS and use your UFL, saves postage one way. Main differential is that the 40% card is worth a lot more for the RMC units than it is for the XMC-2 whereas the trade-in value remains static. UFL (which is 25% I think) doesn't make any substantial difference to the overall cost but saves the hassle of shipping the unit to the US.
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Post by Lsc on May 22, 2019 16:48:29 GMT -5
As far as I know, there isn't an end date on this trade in. I want to confirm what others were asking about. It says it applies only to XMC-1's that are "under warranty". I was an early purchaser (and bought directly from Emotiva), and my warranty runs out in about 1 year. So...am I right to assume that the offer expires when my current XMC-1's warranty runs out? Mark So I just got more information on the warranty situation. It might have been clear to you guys but it wasn’t to me until just a few minutes ago when I called them. Basically if the unit’s warranty is registered to your name at the time the warranty expires, the unit is still eligible for trade-in. So which units are not eligible? If an XMC1 is sold post warranty period, then the buyer of the unit with the expired XMC1 cannot trade it in. I had to pass up buying a XMC1 because of this case. I was hoping to enjoy it until the XMC2 came out but now I’ll need to buy the XMC2 with my UFL - whenever that will be. Oh well - such is life 😊
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Post by hogweed75 on May 23, 2019 19:26:56 GMT -5
When I purchased my XMC-1 I used my 40% off coupon (had a UMC-1) and had them charge me for the 4K HDMI upgrade as well as the Dolby Atmos upgrade. So I got 40% off the whole package and never bothered sending it in for the 4K upgrade because I wanted to just do both upgrades all in one shot. (Yes I’ve spoken them.). Now I’ll just send it in along with $50 and get the XMC-2. I like this!
So this is a really a good marketing approach for Emotiva. They make you a good deal on moving up to a 16 channel processor and you come back and buy more amps, more speakers, etc, etc.
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Post by cjcody on May 23, 2019 20:43:29 GMT -5
What about dirac license? I have the dirac full license, will this be transferred to the new dirac 2.0? I dont want to spend another 100$.
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Post by cjcody on May 23, 2019 20:47:58 GMT -5
When I purchased my XMC-1 I used my 40% off coupon (had a UMC-1) and had them charge me for the 4K HDMI upgrade as well as the Dolby Atmos upgrade. So I got 40% off the whole package and never bothered sending it in for the 4K upgrade because I wanted to just do both upgrades all in one shot. (Yes I’ve spoken them.). Now I’ll just send it in along with $50 and get the XMC-2. I like this! So this is a really a good marketing approach for Emotiva. They make you a good deal on moving up to a 16 channel processor and you come back and buy more amps, more speakers, etc, etc. Yea so now ill need to get a 5ch amp if i want to maximize the 16ch. i see it this way gives me room to upgrade over time and that will satisfy my urge to make my theater better. besides then i could use 2nd zone at that point with another 5 ch amp. i have the 11ch now so 16 amped channels wow it will be amazing. i just hope they transfer dirac full license too.
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