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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 1, 2019 19:30:17 GMT -5
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 1, 2019 19:47:43 GMT -5
It's past due.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 1, 2019 20:08:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately I doubt they’ll make it any better, just modularize it. To me the big flaws are: * Flakey-inconsistent-missing artwork (I don’t even know where to start, but everyone says Roon is great for this) * No support for mixed resolution (they should take a page from Apple TV and add ‘Match bit rate and depth’, like BitPerfect) * No FLAC support (ALAC is just as good, but proprietary, and FLAC downloads have to be converted) What would you like to see fixed/changed? |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 1, 2019 20:10:50 GMT -5
Unfortunately I doubt they’ll make it any better, just modularize it. To me the big flaws are: * Flakey-inconsistent-missing artwork (I don’t even know where to start, but everyone says Roon is great for this) * No support for mixed resolution (they should take a page from Apple TV and add ‘Match bit rate and depth’, like BitPerfect) * No FLAC support (ALAC is just as good, but proprietary, and FLAC downloads have to be converted) What would you like to see fixed/changed? Change it to a Roon subscription. There, I fixed that for ya! |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 1, 2019 21:17:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately I doubt they’ll make it any better, just modularize it. To me the big flaws are: * Flakey-inconsistent-missing artwork (I don’t even know where to start, but everyone says Roon is great for this) * No support for mixed resolution (they should take a page from Apple TV and add ‘Match bit rate and depth’, like BitPerfect) * No FLAC support (ALAC is just as good, but proprietary, and FLAC downloads have to be converted) What would you like to see fixed/changed? I was thinking in general, business and experience terms. I won't be surprised if Apple leaves out ripping capabilities in this new desktop app. Ripping makes them zero money and it's clear they want everyone on the planet using their lossy streaming service which is no different from other services even though Apple claims it is revolutionary. Note: In late 2011 Apple made the ALAC codec available open source and royalty-free but I agree about FLAC support. Disclaimer, I switched to Roon two years ago. |
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Post by drtrey3 on Jun 1, 2019 22:57:46 GMT -5
Apple? I remember Apple 2 forever.
I got 10 years out of my iPod classic, that was pretty good, especially for Apple. Once they decided to stop supporting it I started looking at a Fiio. About to pull the trigger on that, high res flac files here I come! See ya Apple, you just never were my style.
Trey
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 2, 2019 2:35:39 GMT -5
Apple? I remember Apple 2 forever. I got 10 years out of my iPod classic, that was pretty good, especially for Apple. Once they decided to stop supporting it I started looking at a Fiio. About to pull the trigger on that, high res flac files here I come! See ya Apple, you just never were my style. Trey I too remember Apple ][ (or was it) // forever, I had several and they changed my life. Still well ingrained in the ecosystem with well over a dozen Apple devices in the house (maybe even a //e in the attic). They’re not perfect, but I enjoy the ride. |
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Post by drtrey3 on Jun 2, 2019 9:04:49 GMT -5
Our experience was different. I watched Apple 2 forever, drank deeply of the koolaid, and sat in 6 months as they abandoned the platform.
Fool me once.
Now I am working to get any trace of iTunes off my computer and back up the few tracks I bought from them. Trust with them is lacking.
Trey
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 2, 2019 9:32:29 GMT -5
I keep taking the Apple 🍎 Software updates for my Win.10 system without looking at what’s new. Maybe I’ll actually look 👀 one day! Bill |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 2, 2019 10:30:29 GMT -5
Our experience was different. I watched Apple 2 forever, drank deeply of the koolaid, and sat in 6 months as they abandoned the platform. Fool me once. Now I am working to get any trace of iTunes off my computer and back up the few tracks I bought from them. Trust with them is lacking. Trey I wrote a program that did theatrical lighting design, essentially a database manager with a CAD front end, it ran on the //e and IIgs, I sold it mostly to colleges and universities. I was sorry to see the Apple II go but it was the right thing to do, the platform wasn’t viable for the future, and was mainly being propped up by Woz. But that computer and the software it inspired changed my life and gave me a great career, no hard feelings here. I would hardly call making the right business decision, even if it goes a different direction than promoted, ‘fooling’ you, it’s a bit similar to Emotiva’s decision to give up on the XMC-1’s Atmos board. But I understand going a different direction and not looking back. Apple threads usually bring out detractors, and with Mac OS only having about 10% market share there are many; but they’ve brought many important products to market and (in my opinion) are a positive, competitive force. Though I’ve actually never bought anything from the iTunes store, due to their low resolution, and high price (CDs are usually cheaper and better). I guess I should have added HiRez in the iTunes Store to my list of wants, but don’t really expect it, todays music market seems high on convenience and low on quality. To get back on the thread topic, if I could have any one thing in the iTunes replacement it would be support for the native resolution of each track (without 3rd party software), as I called it above ‘match bit rate and depth’. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 3, 2019 17:34:06 GMT -5
Looks like Apple Music won't be a drastic change from the current bloated app but, obviously, podcasts and TV/Movie video content will no longer be in the new Apple Music app.
I think this only applies to users who upgrade to Mac OS Catalina.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 3, 2019 17:36:56 GMT -5
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 3, 2019 17:41:31 GMT -5
Looks like Apple Music won't be a drastic change from the current bloated app but, obviously, podcasts and TV/Movie video content will no longer be in the new Apple Music app. I think this only applies to users who upgrade to Mac OS Catalina. I didn’t read it that way, but in the link I just posted they mention the iTunes replacement right after Catalina, so I think you may be right. |
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Post by drtrey3 on Jun 4, 2019 7:43:35 GMT -5
What you are ignoring is that they lied.
They lied, I believed them, and wasted a lot of money on a computer that became a brick. Because they lied. And I believed them.
Trey
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Post by drtrey3 on Jun 4, 2019 7:47:26 GMT -5
But thanks for the reminder. I am deleting iTunes as we speak. Appreciate ya.
Trey
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 5, 2019 4:29:53 GMT -5
Apple software works well for most, but as with ANY new software from ANY vendor, it's prudent to be cautious of version one releases unless you're interested in being an unpaid beta tester. And that said, there is NO software that's perfect, despite how much the fanboys may rave. iTunes had/has its issues, JRiver has its, and Roon has its as well. The questions are "what flavor do you prefer?" and "What features are important to YOU?" The "advantage" that iTunes Music may have is that the program is the only one designed primarily for Apple hardware and OS-X. In JRiver and Roon, their Apple versions are decidedly afterthoughts compared with their Windows implementations. So there will be a trial period for the new Apple iTunes Music where users find flaws and Apple fixes them. Once the first wave of patches is complete, I'll probably try the program due to its potential advantages, that, for me, include: Greater compatibility with Apple hardware and OS-X Free price Possible features As pointed out here already by novisnick, Tidal compatibility will be a desired option for me, but I could live without it. If Apple wants to compete in the streaming world, a lossless streaming option will be mandatory. As pointed out by Loop 7, a built-in CD-ripper is also important to me (but not absolutely essential now that I own DB Poweramp). FLAC compatibility would be nice so that I don't have to rely on an external database to handle metadata and artwork. A robust Ethernet streaming protocol that won't down-rez your stream without notifying you, and that will work with a wide variety of destinations. Trivial features that would be nice to have but aren't essential to me include compatibility with HD files, MQA compatibility, and built-in, flexible DSP. So my jury's still out on the new iTunes Music, but I'm willing to wait and see. Boomzilla |
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Post by 26gary26 on Jun 5, 2019 18:10:06 GMT -5
Good friend of mine just called me and asked if his 2,000 recorded songs on vinyl that he added to his Apple I-Tunes will still be saved. Told him I am sure that his purchased songs on there would be saved but didn't know if his extra songs he added to the site would be saved. Anyone know what's going to happen ?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 5, 2019 18:40:32 GMT -5
For me it’s not just that iTunes RUNS on Apple hardware, but that it integrates very well with what many call the “Apple Ecosystem” -- virtually all Apple hardware and software work together (somewhat) seamlessly. This may be TMI, but I made the drawing below to show how completely iTunes is intwined in my system, which has made looking for and considering alternatives (like Roon), very difficult. Boomzilla : I believe that Audirvana was originally written for Mac hardware / OS, and I understand it works very well there, although it now also supports Windows 10. It's one I'm considering should I find a way for everything to work together. You make good points however on iTunes current deficiencies, and potential problems as the replacement is rolled out. Probably the key reason I can’t give up iTunes is its ability to sync my music library with my iPhone and iPad, I use both for listening to music as much as any other part of my system, particularly in the car and while skiing. It seems to me that any other music software will require me to further sync another copy of my library to that software’s database. I’m sure others have done it and I just need to do more research, but an iTunes alternative that runs on Mac OS, matches bit rate and depth, and gets album art right might be worth it. That said, I’ve taken quite an advantage of how easily the iTunes library is available everywhere I need it. So here are the primary parts of my system that make up and are integrated into the Apple Ecosystem.  |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 5, 2019 19:35:58 GMT -5
For me it’s not just that iTunes RUNS on Apple hardware, but that it integrates very well with what many call the “Apple Ecosystem” Probably the key reason I can’t give up iTunes is its ability to sync my music library with my iPhone and iPad, I use both for listening to music as much as any other part of my system, particularly in the car and while skiing. Which is a really compelling reason on numerous levels and leaving that ecosystem is a bit of a tough sell. As I've stated before, I've been a Mac OS fanboy since the early 2000's and I have owned every version of Apple TV except for the latest 4K box. However, I'm die hard stock Android user (Android on Google devices, not ruined by other manufacturers or carriers), use streaming services during driving and work but Roon is where I enjoy music the most. My point being that I've been away from the single company ecosystem for a while now and it seems right for me but I think I have lost out on ease-of-use. -- I'm typing this on a Macbook while streaming music on my Google Pixel but looking forward to being home later and enjoying Roon -- |
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 5, 2019 19:47:33 GMT -5
For me it’s not just that iTunes RUNS on Apple hardware, but that it integrates very well with what many call the “Apple Ecosystem” -- virtually all Apple hardware and software work together (somewhat) seamlessly. This may be TMI, but I made the drawing below to show how completely iTunes is intwined in my system, which has made looking for and considering alternatives (like Roon), very difficult. Boomzilla : I believe that Audirvana was originally written for Mac hardware / OS, and I understand it works very well there, although it now also supports Windows 10. It's one I'm considering should I find a way for everything to work together. You make good points however on iTunes current deficiencies, and potential problems as the replacement is rolled out. Probably the key reason I can’t give up iTunes is its ability to sync my music library with my iPhone and iPad, I use both for listening to music as much as any other part of my system, particularly in the car and while skiing. It seems to me that any other music software will require me to further sync another copy of my library to that software’s database. I’m sure others have done it and I just need to do more research, but an iTunes alternative that runs on Mac OS, matches bit rate and depth, and gets album art right might be worth it. That said, I’ve taken quite an advantage of how easily the iTunes library is available everywhere I need it. So here are the primary parts of my system that make up and are integrated into the Apple Ecosystem. View AttachmentI’m very much like you and use my iPhone/AppleTV for 90% of my music. I have tidal hifi, and try as hard as I may I can’t hear a difference on my AppleTV from tidal to Apple Music 🔥🔥🔥 |
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