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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 23, 2019 7:06:44 GMT -5
I'm currently running a 35' HDMI cable from my XMC-1 to a JVC RS540. Let me first say, that my current HDMI cable does work. But switching is slower and occasionally there are syncing problems. I just upgraded the projector from a JVC RS2 to the RS540. The syncing was the same. So I decided to purchase the below extender in hopes to improve the issue. www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=302&cp_id=30201&cs_id=3020104&p_id=24281&seq=1&format=2After hooking up the extender, the improvements in video switching and connectivity actually were better than I had anticipated. However, the XMC-1 seems to have issues as there is no audio. I've tried turning off and unplugging the XMC-1. When I perform this process, the XMC-1 fails to load/boot up. So for now, I'm back to using my original HDMI cable. I'm asking for help, ideas... etc. |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 23, 2019 7:44:07 GMT -5
I'm currently running a 35' HDMI cable... I'm asking for help, ideas... etc. The only HDMI cable I’d use (or recommend) for that length is the highly regarded and highly successful Ruipro “Hybrid” fiber optic. I’ve used the 10m (33 ft) cable in my system for well over 1 1/2 years and have never encountered a single issue that can be attributed to the cable itself. Handshake and lock on is as fast as the XMC-1 will permit and has always been 100% stable regardless of the signal format. The cable has been independently tested and certified to pass the full 18Gbps bandwidth requirements of the HDMI 2.0b spec and is backed up by a lifetime guarantee. You can find the cable HERE. After the 19% “coupon discount”, your final price would be $103.39. While certainly not inexpensive, they’re worth every penny and is certainly the best investment I’ve ever made in an HDMI cable. Hope this helps...  |
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 23, 2019 8:14:12 GMT -5
I'm currently running a 35' HDMI cable... I'm asking for help, ideas... etc. The only HDMI cable I’d use (or recommend) for that length is the highly regarded and highly successful Ruipro “Hybrid” fiber optic. I’ve used the 10m (33 ft) cable in my system for well over 1 1/2 years and have never encountered a single issue that can be attributed to the cable itself. Handshake and lock on is as fast as the XMC-1 will permit and has always been 100% stable regardless of the signal format. The cable has been independently tested and certified to pass the full 18Gbps bandwidth requirements of the HDMI 2.0b spec and is backed up by a lifetime guarantee. You can find the cable HERE. After the 19% “coupon discount”, your final price would be $103.39. While certainly not inexpensive, they’re worth every penny and is certainly the best investment I’ve ever made in an HDMI cable. Hope this helps... Interesting.... I may try it. Let me first say that I visited Emotiva about a year ago with my XMC-1. I was having HDMI issues then. I was going to be in Nashville so I worked in a personal visit. During my visit, it was recommended that I get a Cat6 extender. Emotiva had one but it was pricey, so I recently went with the Monoprice rout. One thing that perplexes me is the fact that the HDMI video successfully passes through. But I have no sound. When I do a boot up with the extender, the XMC-1 doesn't complete the boot up process. Anyways, I'm looking for ideas and your idea is much appreciated and I may try it. |
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Post by KeithL on Jun 23, 2019 11:39:38 GMT -5
I have no experience with the Monoprice extender.... However, I would note that an "HDMI extender" is actually a rather complex device... In principle, a "powered cable"is simply a cable with a built-in amplifier. But an extender which uses fiber optic cable or network cable is far more complex. It actually converts the HDMI signal into a different data format and then back again. (It's actually doing more to the video signal than the XMC-1 or RMC-1 does when it switches signals.) Therefore, beyond "supporting the bandwidth or not", it has the potential for compatibility issues. And it may also simply not support specific video formats or combinatuions of parameters at all. DO NOT assume that they are all the same. The only HDMI cable I’d use (or recommend) for that length is the highly regarded and highly successful Ruipro “Hybrid” fiber optic. I’ve used the 10m (33 ft) cable in my system for well over 1 1/2 years and have never encountered a single issue that can be attributed to the cable itself. Handshake and lock on is as fast as the XMC-1 will permit and has always been 100% stable regardless of the signal format. The cable has been independently tested and certified to pass the full 18Gbps bandwidth requirements of the HDMI 2.0b spec and is backed up by a lifetime guarantee. You can find the cable HERE. After the 19% “coupon discount”, your final price would be $103.39. While certainly not inexpensive, they’re worth every penny and is certainly the best investment I’ve ever made in an HDMI cable. Hope this helps... Interesting.... I may try it. Let me first say that I visited Emotiva about a year ago with my XMC-1. I was having HDMI issues then. I was going to be in Nashville so I worked in a personal visit. During my visit, it was recommended that I get a Cat6 extender. Emotiva had one but it was pricey, so I recently went with the Monoprice rout. One thing that perplexes me is the fact that the HDMI video successfully passes through. But I have no sound. When I do a boot up with the extender, the XMC-1 doesn't complete the boot up process. Anyways, I'm looking for ideas and your idea is much appreciated and I may try it. |
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 23, 2019 11:50:26 GMT -5
I have no experience with the Monoprice extender.... However, I would note that an "HDMI extender" is actually a rather complex device... In principle, a "powered cable"is simply a cable with a built-in amplifier. But an extender which uses fiber optic cable or network cable is far more complex. It actually converts the HDMI signal into a different data format and then back again. (It's actually doing more to the video signal than the XMC-1 or RMC-1 does when it switches signals.) Therefore, beyond "supporting the bandwidth or not", it has the potential for compatibility issues. And it may also simply not support specific video formats or combinatuions of parameters at all. DO NOT assume that they are all the same. Interesting.... I may try it. Let me first say that I visited Emotiva about a year ago with my XMC-1. I was having HDMI issues then. I was going to be in Nashville so I worked in a personal visit. During my visit, it was recommended that I get a Cat6 extender. Emotiva had one but it was pricey, so I recently went with the Monoprice rout. One thing that perplexes me is the fact that the HDMI video successfully passes through. But I have no sound. When I do a boot up with the extender, the XMC-1 doesn't complete the boot up process. Anyways, I'm looking for ideas and your idea is much appreciated and I may try it. Keith, what would you recommend I do? I'm looking for advice. 😀 |
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Post by creimes on Jun 23, 2019 11:55:15 GMT -5
Between my XMC-1 and Epson HC3500 I have been using This 35ft cable and have had zero issues, I run 1080p only Chad |
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 23, 2019 12:52:22 GMT -5
Between my XMC-1 and Epson HC3500 I have been using This 35ft cable and have had zero issues, I run 1080p only Chad Well thank you Chad. I appreciate your input. I am currently using an HDMI cable that does work. www.amazon.com/dp/B00DI8929Q/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_KT7dDbMJJDGTSI'm just trying to improve performance so my video experience is a bit smoother. I think a video extender is a workable solution because the video did lock right in, I just need to figure out why I have no audio. |
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Post by creimes on Jun 23, 2019 13:00:49 GMT -5
Between my XMC-1 and Epson HC3500 I have been using This 35ft cable and have had zero issues, I run 1080p only Chad Well thank you Chad. I appreciate your input. I am currently using an HDMI cable that does work. www.amazon.com/dp/B00DI8929Q/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_KT7dDbMJJDGTSI'm just trying to improve performance so my video experience is a bit smoother. I think a video extender is a workable solution because the video did lock right in, I just need to figure out why I have no audio. With that cable I have had zero issues with slow switching or sync issues as you said you were having. Cheers, Chad |
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Post by cwt on Jun 23, 2019 13:35:18 GMT -5
I'm just trying to improve performance so my video experience is a bit smoother. If your cabling for the future Suffolk ; and may need 8k for a future panel say ; the 8k ruipro is turning up slowly Cost effective considering the exchange rate and eventually replacing your 4k ? www.feedbackaudio.co.nz/product/ruipro-hdmi-fibre-optic-cable-8k/ |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 23, 2019 13:47:26 GMT -5
I doubt that extender would have been a good long term solution, though it did HDCP 2.2, it only did HDMI 1.4 (and 4K/30). Did you play with the HDMI 1.4 / 2.0 settings in the XMC firmware? Which is probably a red herring as I’d agree with the others that a different cable is likely the best solution, the Rupio gets a lot of good press.
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 23, 2019 16:57:42 GMT -5
I'm just trying to improve performance so my video experience is a bit smoother. If your cabling for the future Suffolk ; and may need 8k for a future panel say ; the 8k ruipro is turning up slowly Cost effective considering the exchange rate and eventually replacing your 4k ? www.feedbackaudio.co.nz/product/ruipro-hdmi-fibre-optic-cable-8k/I'm not sure I'm ready to spend $350 since I just got a 4k projector about 3 weeks ago. So I'll probably look for other solutions. Thank you for your input! Any other recommendations? |
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 23, 2019 17:19:51 GMT -5
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 23, 2019 19:45:55 GMT -5
I wouldn’t consider it.... Why spend more for an 8K (48Gbps) cable that cannot be verified that it meets its claims...? If Ruipro is charging $300 for their “brand new” 8K cable (which has been independently tested, certified and of which they willingly share the test results), then I’d be very skeptical of any company who makes the same claims for half the price and has no documentation to back it up. Since “active” cables cannot be “certified” by HDMI.org, I’d look for those test results performed by a respected independent lab. Until the time comes where you “need” that kind of bandwidth, I’d stick with a cable that’s tried, true and from a company that can back up its claims. The Ruipro I’ve linked to above can meet all of your needs for $103 and has a proven track record. There may be other offerings from Monoprice that may work equally as well, but may be a bit more expensive. Just my thoughts... 😉 HERE is a link to a thread over on AVS Forum that you might find very informative. Pay specific attention to the test results linked to the first post of the thread. |
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 23, 2019 22:28:25 GMT -5
Thanks doc1963...
I really appreciate the post.
I'm still reading, but I went thru the AVS post about 8k and longer HDMI runs.
I'll go through the others in the next day or two.
I think for now, I'm going to hold tight and do a bit more research.
My thinking at this moment is an 8k cable should help my responsiveness and improve signal performance.
The signal extender immediately synced up. This tells me that while my current cable is working, I could have better performance with the right cable - combination.
Am I wrong in thinking that a cable that can handle faster speeds such as an 8k cable, will give me better performance than what I have right now?
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 23, 2019 23:06:16 GMT -5
Am I wrong in thinking that a cable that can handle faster speeds such as an 8k cable, will give me better performance than what I have right now? In theory, you would think that’s true. But in practical use, a cable that’s guaranteed to meet the 18Gbps spec will work just as well as one that’s claiming to exceed it. Cables are pretty simple, they either work as claimed or they don’t. My biggest concern is that having HDMI 2.0 (4K) equipment that doesn’t need the higher (48Gbps) bandwidth, you’d be wasting your money on an untested 8K (48 Gbps) cable that just might fall into the same category that so many other cables claiming “18Gbps” fall into. At longer lengths, they simply don’t work. The HDMI 2.1 spec is just too new and there’s no way to verify (on the consumer side) whether the cable works as claimed or not. The only way to have any faith at all is to look for test results from reliable sources. Finish reading the thread that I suggested and go from there. There’s a lot of useful information to be gained. If you go with a cable that’s working reliably for the masses, there’s no reason it shouldn’t work for you. If it doesn’t, then the issue is deeper than the cable. Good luck and hope you get it worked out... 😉 |
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Post by suffolk112000 on Feb 3, 2020 14:17:22 GMT -5
So, I've had another hiccup with the HDMI syncing on my XMC-1. The other day, I tried switching from source 1 to source 2. My Blu Ray/4K is source 1 and DiracTV source 2. When I tried switching to source 2, I couldn't get the XMC-1 to sync. My display is a JVC RS540. www.amazon.com/dp/B07MHZG184/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_YvfoEbSVRWVM0So, I tried upgrading cables. See the above link. Bottom line, the cable didn't work. I'm less than impressed with the HDMI stability of the XMC-1. |
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