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Post by thxultra on Oct 7, 2019 14:13:32 GMT -5
The remote control is physically the same as the remote control for the XMC-1.... which means that the button codes themselves are all the same. (Along with the trim codes you will find that the previous direct buttons for PLIIx Music and PLIIx Movie now do Direct and All Stereo instead.) However, as you probably know, there are supplemental IR codes that go beyond duplicating the keys on the remote control (things like direct access codes for all the individual inputs and modes). We haven't updated those for the RMC-1 and XMC-2 yet but we will be doing so eventually. (That isn't an especially high priority - but it will happen eventually.) I don’t think there are any new codes to be had, it seems they’ve used the same remote API as the XMC-1 with one exception, the codes that Harmony calls “Trim Back Up” and “Trim Back Down” we’re re-used and now control Height Up and Height Down. I’m disappointed by this but will discuss it in another thread. In any case, as far as I can tell, all the codes work on my Harmony Elite Home, including the Optical Inputs (I’m using Optical 1 & 2). So while it might make sense at some point to get the codes ‘refined’ for the XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1, at the moment (speaking from experience with Logitech) it’s probably not worth the trouble, because as far as I can tell, there is just the one labeling issue. That said, I may not have tried everything. If you really are having trouble with setting your input to Optical with the Harmony, you should post your model / setup and what your trying, maybe we can help sort it out. Thanks again for the responce. I agree not the end of the world I can handle grabbing the XMC-2 remote to switch to optical 1 when I want to use my Sonos which isn't as often as my HDMI's which work just fine.
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Post by KeithL on Oct 7, 2019 14:16:19 GMT -5
I suspect that would depend on the specific service you use, the audio options you have chosen, and possibly even the specific song and album it came from. (For example, if the actual CD track has a lead-in, did they delete or retain it when they ripped the track... if they actually ripped their tracks from CDs at all.) (And, if you use TIDAL, and you have chosen to enable MQA playback, in order to do so you must first switch to "WASAPI exclusive mode", which prevents resampling.)
Even certain programs for playing local audio tracks have options that would affect that. For example, jRiver has an option to "fade between tracks", which would deliver a continuous audio stream with no gaps, but it cannot work with tracks at different sample rates - at least not in WASAPI mode. jRiver also includes a specific option to remove silence at the beginning and ends of tracks.
(If you're using WASAPI mode, and you have two tracks at different sample rates, you cannot fade between them, because the sample rates don't match, so they cannot be made to overlap. However, if you're using DS mode, which goes through the Windows mixer, the Windows mixer will happily fade from one to the other, and resample one or the other as needed to do so.) You may also find that a program that doesn't allow you to choose those options acts differently depending on whether you're playing two consecutive tracks at the same or different sample rates. Will streaming music from a service have that lead-in? I'd be curious to see if the issue exists on actual discs or material ripped from a disc.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2019 14:19:26 GMT -5
The remote control is physically the same as the remote control for the XMC-1.... which means that the button codes themselves are all the same. (Along with the trim codes you will find that the previous direct buttons for PLIIx Music and PLIIx Movie now do Direct and All Stereo instead.) Good to know, now that you mention it I noticed movie and music were different, but hadn’t specifically mapped it out. However, as you probably know, there are supplemental IR codes that go beyond duplicating the keys on the remote control (things like direct access codes for all the individual inputs and modes). We haven't updated those for the RMC-1 and XMC-2 yet but we will be doing so eventually. (That isn't an especially high priority - but it will happen eventually.) I’m very happy to hear that. 😃👍 I don’t think there are any new codes to be had, it seems they’ve used the same remote API as the XMC-1 with one exception, the codes that Harmony calls “Trim Back Up” and “Trim Back Down” we’re re-used and now control Height Up and Height Down. I’m disappointed by this but will discuss it in another thread. In any case, as far as I can tell, all the codes work on my Harmony Elite Home, including the Optical Inputs (I’m using Optical 1 & 2). So while it might make sense at some point to get the codes ‘refined’ for the XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1, at the moment (speaking from experience with Logitech) it’s probably not worth the trouble, because as far as I can tell, there is just the one labeling issue. That said, I may not have tried everything. If you really are having trouble with setting your input to Optical with the Harmony, you should post your model / setup and what your trying, maybe we can help sort it out.
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Post by KeithL on Oct 7, 2019 14:25:42 GMT -5
The short answer is that this is NOT what you're experiencing with the XMC-2... We have seen several instances where sometimes the RMC-1 and XMC-2 take a significant fraction of a second to "lock onto" a new digital audio signal. This would be noticeable if the Sonos, for whatever reason, chooses to stop and restart the digital audio stream between every song... but I've never noticed it when playing albums on my Raspberry Pi. We are looking into the cause of this and expect to have it resolved shortly.
Just to put this in perspective... Most commercially recorded songs include a "lead-in" or "fade-up".... where the song takes a few seconds to actually start. And virtually all commercially produced digital audio, including CDs, is dithered... (and most recording apps do so automatically).
The digital muting on the XMC-1 only engages after a string of several samples of undithered silence...
And, when it engages, it takes a maximum of 120 mSec for it to disengage (1/8 of a second)...
Therefore, it is only noticeable..... - if a song contains unusual stretches of pure undithered digital silence
- if a song starts directly on the first note with no lead-in whatsoever These are situations that very rarely occur in real life.
Keith thanks for the quick responce. The cut off seems to happen with all songs though when I use my Sonos (tracks on Spotify). Right now this is the only device I have tried for music. I have to try my SACD player still. If I jump to a new song the beginning is always cut off (like you said it is less then a second but quite noticeable). This never happened with my Marantz. I have to see if it happens when I let a play list play I was jumping around a lot to hear how different songs sounded with the XMC-2. Have to say the sound quality is amazing bass management is night and day better then the Marantz was.
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Post by thxultra on Oct 7, 2019 14:30:40 GMT -5
The short answer is that this is NOT what you're experiencing with the XMC-2... We have seen several instances where sometimes the RMC-1 and XMC-2 take a significant fraction of a second to "lock onto" a new digital audio signal. This would be noticeable if the Sonos, for whatever reason, chooses to stop and restart the digital audio stream between every song... but I've never noticed it when playing albums on my Raspberry Pi. We are looking into the cause of this and expect to have it resolved shortly.
Keith thanks for the quick responce. The cut off seems to happen with all songs though when I use my Sonos (tracks on Spotify). Right now this is the only device I have tried for music. I have to try my SACD player still. If I jump to a new song the beginning is always cut off (like you said it is less then a second but quite noticeable). This never happened with my Marantz. I have to see if it happens when I let a play list play I was jumping around a lot to hear how different songs sounded with the XMC-2. Have to say the sound quality is amazing bass management is night and day better then the Marantz was. So far I have been jumping around tracks as well with the Sonos. Tonight I will try playing tracks in order on a playlist and album and see if this also happens. Over the weekend it was I have to hear how this song sounds and then that song It wouldn't surprise me if the Sonos stops and restarts the digital stream when it switches tracks. If you want any smaple video or want me to try something specific let me know.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 7, 2019 15:34:28 GMT -5
I don’t think there are any new codes to be had, it seems they’ve used the same remote API as the XMC-1 with one exception, the codes that Harmony calls “Trim Back Up” and “Trim Back Down” we’re re-used and now control Height Up and Height Down. I’m disappointed by this but will discuss it in another thread. In any case, as far as I can tell, all the codes work on my Harmony Elite Home, including the Optical Inputs (I’m using Optical 1 & 2). So while it might make sense at some point to get the codes ‘refined’ for the XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1, at the moment (speaking from experience with Logitech) it’s probably not worth the trouble, because as far as I can tell, there is just the one labeling issue. That said, I may not have tried everything. If you really are having trouble with setting your input to Optical with the Harmony, you should post your model / setup and what your trying, maybe we can help sort it out. Ya so far the only issue I have had with my Harmony Remote is when I have it switch the XMC-2 to Optical 1 (I have only tried the HDMI ports and optical one however). When it goes to switch to optical 1 then it says something like Stage 2 on the screen of the XMC-2. Not sure what that means. When I started to play music I got a awful loud noise the one time and thought it was going to blow my speakers. The Harmony I have is a Harmony touch. It is a older moel from 2015. It is a simple routine just switches the input on the XMC-2 to optical 1 and Turns the projector off. I have two optical ports in use: Optical 1 is the TOSLink audio feed from my Sony 900F, I use it when watching OTA TV so the video setting on the RMC-1 is irrelevant, but the Harmony can switch to Optical 1 and I hear the TVs audio. Optical 2 is a TOSLink feed from my Mac mini, I have an ‘iTunes’ activity that just turns on the RMC and the two-channel configuration, so it’s audio only, but also works. Sometimes I select the AppleTV activity which is video and audio via HDMI 3, then select Optical 2, this lets me have the ATV video/screensavers while listening to two-channel iTunes audio, this also works. So, I don’t think your Optical/XMC-2 problem is because of the Harmony remote codes.
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Post by thxultra on Oct 7, 2019 21:23:16 GMT -5
The short answer is that this is NOT what you're experiencing with the XMC-2... We have seen several instances where sometimes the RMC-1 and XMC-2 take a significant fraction of a second to "lock onto" a new digital audio signal. This would be noticeable if the Sonos, for whatever reason, chooses to stop and restart the digital audio stream between every song... but I've never noticed it when playing albums on my Raspberry Pi. We are looking into the cause of this and expect to have it resolved shortly.
Keith thanks for the quick responce. The cut off seems to happen with all songs though when I use my Sonos (tracks on Spotify). Right now this is the only device I have tried for music. I have to try my SACD player still. If I jump to a new song the beginning is always cut off (like you said it is less then a second but quite noticeable). This never happened with my Marantz. I have to see if it happens when I let a play list play I was jumping around a lot to hear how different songs sounded with the XMC-2. Have to say the sound quality is amazing bass management is night and day better then the Marantz was. Appears to be the case. If I just play a playlist with out skipping tracks it doesn't happen. Btw did I say how great it sounds
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 7, 2019 21:39:07 GMT -5
The short answer is that this is NOT what you're experiencing with the XMC-2... We have seen several instances where sometimes the RMC-1 and XMC-2 take a significant fraction of a second to "lock onto" a new digital audio signal. This would be noticeable if the Sonos, for whatever reason, chooses to stop and restart the digital audio stream between every song... but I've never noticed it when playing albums on my Raspberry Pi. We are looking into the cause of this and expect to have it resolved shortly.
Appears to be the case. If I just play a playlist with out skipping tracks it doesn't happen. Btw did I say how great it sounds Does it cut off anything when you start, pause or stop a movie ? Have you tested physical media yet ? Or only Sonos ? How about streaming services ?
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 7, 2019 22:27:25 GMT -5
Anyone here using 6 overheads with the xmc ? How is it handled ?
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Post by Casey Leedom on Oct 7, 2019 23:27:08 GMT -5
... Most commercially recorded songs include a "lead-in" or "fade-up".... where the song takes a few seconds to actually start. And virtually all commercially produced digital audio, including CDs, is dithered... (and most recording apps do so automatically). ... Are you sure about this? I think you might be thinking about the Redbook CD Pregap ... And I know for a fact that my friend always RIPs all of his CDs in "Gapless" mode which doesn't include the Pregap in the FLAC file. Casey
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Post by superhelmi on Oct 7, 2019 23:55:34 GMT -5
... Most commercially recorded songs include a "lead-in" or "fade-up".... where the song takes a few seconds to actually start. And virtually all commercially produced digital audio, including CDs, is dithered... (and most recording apps do so automatically). ... Are you sure about this? I think you might be thinking about the Redbook CD Pregap ... And I know for a fact that my friend always RIPs all of his CDs in "Gapless" mode which doesn't include the Pregap in the FLAC file. Casey Hello, I would say this is because the playback device doesn`t hold the digital output active between tracks or skipping. So the MXC-2 switches away and has to switch on the signal again. I had this issue long time ago with a other brand . OSMC (or Kodi) Media Player have the option to hold the signal active during gaps. But I´m sure Emotiva can resove this problem. Markus
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Post by thxultra on Oct 8, 2019 9:15:33 GMT -5
Appears to be the case. If I just play a playlist with out skipping tracks it doesn't happen. Btw did I say how great it sounds Does it cut off anything when you start, pause or stop a movie ? Have you tested physical media yet ? Or only Sonos ? How about streaming services ? I haven't noticed any issues with movies. I haven't paused a movie however. I have commercial skipped TV and no issues and also no issues changing channels. So far I have only found this to be a issue when jumping around tracks on my Sonos (via spotify). I have to try my SACD player still. I have watched movies off Amazon Prime and 4k Blu-ray with no issues so far.
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Post by yellowbalt on Oct 8, 2019 9:30:56 GMT -5
I am experiencing consistent issue with HDMI.
My setup: HDMI out to LG (non-ARC. ARC never work for me) HDMI 1 Oppo 93.
Once done configuring my Oppo music (SACD or USB) using the LG as screen, when I turn off LG, the HDMI 1 won't connect anymore even if I reset the Oppo or XMC-2. I would just give up, sometimes I would just turn the LG display but leaving the LG on all night seems impractical.
One positive note on video. I never seen my old LG to have this beautiful video from Oppo. It's just incredible, so sharp but looks like opera-like movie. How can the opera-like be turn-off?
Danny
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 8, 2019 11:09:28 GMT -5
... One positive note on video. I never seen my old LG to have this beautiful video from Oppo. It's just incredible, so sharp but looks like opera-like movie. How can the opera-like be turn-off? I assume you mean SOE (Soap Opera Effect), making things look like video as opposed to film? There wouldn’t be a setting on the XMC-2 you could change as it’s just passing the video. When I’ve seen this in the past, it’s usually been a setting on the TV, often having something to do with motion smoothing, does your LG have anything like this?
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Post by yellowbalt on Oct 8, 2019 13:33:05 GMT -5
Yes soap opera. Ill check my LG. It wasn't like this on my AV7702 that it replaced Thank you Danny ... One positive note on video. I never seen my old LG to have this beautiful video from Oppo. It's just incredible, so sharp but looks like opera-like movie. How can the opera-like be turn-off? I assume you mean SOE (Soap Opera Effect), making things look like video as opposed to film? There wouldn’t be a setting on the XMC-2 you could change as it’s just passing the video. When I’ve seen this in the past, it’s usually been a setting on the TV, often having something to do with motion smoothing, does your LG have anything like this?
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Post by cwt on Oct 9, 2019 4:44:37 GMT -5
One positive note on video. I never seen my old LG to have this beautiful video from Oppo. It's just incredible, so sharp but looks like opera-like movie. How can the opera-like be turn-off? Danny Not surprised Danny ; the AV7702 has a video processor/transcoder built in that the signal passes through even with passthrough enabled ; the Emo has a much cleaner switcher with no processing from analogue to digital for example .. If your oppo is on source direct maybe set it to upscale to the LG's native resolution and compare the 2s efforts . Motion smoothing or frame interpolation as AudioHTIT said is the thing to look for for SOE On the sacd playback ; I imagine you have disabled the Emo's CEC controls to stop edid commands ? ARC and CEC are interlinked so worth an ask ..
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Post by marker on Oct 9, 2019 18:30:28 GMT -5
Has Emotiva said anything about a firmware update to the XMC-2 to add eARC or a HDMI upgrade board to HDMI 2.1?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 9, 2019 19:07:10 GMT -5
Has Emotiva said anything about a firmware update to the XMC-2 to add eARC or a HDMI upgrade board to HDMI 2.1? They did say sometime back that they couldn’t do eARC with just a firmware upgrade, and that it would require a chip change or daughter board, can’t remember exactly. They have said an HDMI 2.1 board is in the works, but I wouldn’t expect it soon.
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Post by Lsc on Oct 11, 2019 8:23:06 GMT -5
Watching Hustle and Flow on Netflix, the XMC2 didn’t handle going from one episode to the next well. On the first 2 occasions, I lost my center channel sound, but on the 3rd occasion it worked fine.
My workaround was I went out of Netflix on my ATV4K, brought up YouTubeTV, got sound then went back into Netflix and it worked fine.
This is no big deal for me but if my wife was using the XMC2, she probably would call her “tech support”.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 11, 2019 8:38:13 GMT -5
Watching Hustle and Flow on Netflix, the XMC2 didn’t handle going from one episode to the next well. On the first 2 occasions, I lost my center channel sound, but on the 3rd occasion it worked fine. My workaround was I went out of Netflix on my ATV4K, brought up YouTubeTV, got sound then went back into Netflix and it worked fine. This is no big deal for me but if my wife was using the XMC2, she probably would call her “tech support”. Next question, is it related to the atv or would this happen on different platforms... Like an Nvidia shield for example.
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