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Post by nickwin on Aug 29, 2020 11:18:07 GMT -5
Ive owned the XMC1 for a number of years and ever since I upgraded to the HDMI 2.0 board I have had constant audio and video dropouts. I'm finally getting sick of it so I'm just wondering, does the XMC2 have similar issues? The original XMC1 was truly stable for me, I would maybe have to restart it a couple times a year but for the most part there were no dropouts or issues. With the HDMI 2.0 board I'm constantly doing hard resets to try and bring audio or video back. Its probably been over a year since Ive looked into this so if there have been improvements/changes to the XMC1 that I don't know about let me know!
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 29, 2020 12:26:51 GMT -5
I feel your pain (not all bad of course!) Since you have the XMC1 with the newer board, I assume you’re like me.....ultra HD switching and can’t be bothered with ATMOS. If that remains the case I would see If EMOTIVA will take your unit in for evaluation and service if needed and stick with it in lieu of ANYTHING else....
That unit remains the non Atmos ticket compared to anything you can buy right now. They should be able to correct the board glitch for you. Only a week ago the refurbished XMC1 program was still ongoing.
Bill
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Post by nickwin on Aug 29, 2020 13:32:35 GMT -5
I feel your pain (not all bad of course!) Since you have the XMC1 with the newer board, I assume you’re like me.....ultra HD switching and can’t be bothered with ATMOS. If that remains the case I would see If EMOTIVA will take your unit in for evaluation and service if needed and stick with it in lieu of ANYTHING else.... That unit remains the non Atmos ticket compared to anything you can buy right now. They should be able to correct the board glitch for you. Only a week ago the refurbished XMC1 program was still ongoing. Bill Yup that’s the pretty much my situation. Not looking for any additional features or connectivity, just functional stability. So there have been improvements to the xmc1 in the last year in this regard? That’s good to hear because I’m seriously considering just going back to the original hdmi board and just forgetting about 4K for now. I agree, there’s a lot to love about the XMC1, when it’s working. |
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Post by markc on Aug 29, 2020 15:06:42 GMT -5
I think that the 4K board is the scourge of all Emotiva processors
My XMC-1 with the 1.4 board worked perfectly. 2.0 was a game changer for all bad reasons.
The same XMC-1 HDMI 2.0 board was carried over to the RMC and XMC-2. This was a mistake. It took Emotiva a long time to iron out glitches with this boards hardware and design and they have smoothed over most of them, but there is only so much firmware/software can do.
Final (now) answer to your query.
The XMC-2 with firmware1.10 is Probably as stable as the XMC-1 but not more stable. You won’t get Dirac Live with 1.10 but you get a mostly functional unit that is mostly sounding better than the XMC-1
The latest firmware 2.0 is a shocking embarrassment to the so called beta testers who simply did not proof test this enough and they need to be fired. I’m not joking or being overly critical here! Shame on them.
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Post by cawgijoe on Aug 29, 2020 23:10:30 GMT -5
I think that the 4K board is the scourge of all Emotiva processors My XMC-1 with the 1.4 board worked perfectly. 2.0 was a game changer for all bad reasons. The same XMC-1 HDMI 2.0 board was carried over to the RMC and XMC-2. This was a mistake. It took Emotiva a long time to iron out glitches with this boards hardware and design and they have smoothed over most of them, but there is only so much firmware/software can do. Final (now) answer to your query. The XMC-2 with firmware1.10 is Probably as stable as the XMC-1 but not more stable. You won’t get Dirac Live with 1.10 but you get a mostly functional unit that is mostly sounding better than the XMC-1 The latest firmware 2.0 is a shocking embarrassment to the so called beta testers who simply did not proof test this enough and they need to be fired. I’m not joking or being overly critical here! Shame on them. The XMC-1 that I traded in with 4K board was quite stable for me. 2.0 firmware in the XMC-2 gave me Dirac which works great. Loss of audio randomly is the nemesis for me with this firmware. As has been stated on this forum, Emotiva is currently stress testing a new firmware which is promising. If I recall, there was demand for Dirac to be released no matter what. Pitchforks were out. It’s difficult to condemn a group of testers when you weren’t there and you don’t know If all had the same issues or not. Obviously there were enough without major issues in order for the software to be released. I will give the benefit of the doubt. Until the next firmware, two options....if you have problems, go back to 1.10....if not, or you can tolerate, use 2.0. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Aug 29, 2020 23:14:57 GMT -5
I feel your pain (not all bad of course!) Since you have the XMC1 with the newer board, I assume you’re like me.....ultra HD switching and can’t be bothered with ATMOS. If that remains the case I would see If EMOTIVA will take your unit in for evaluation and service if needed and stick with it in lieu of ANYTHING else.... That unit remains the non Atmos ticket compared to anything you can buy right now. They should be able to correct the board glitch for you. Only a week ago the refurbished XMC1 program was still ongoing. Bill Yup that’s the pretty much my situation. Not looking for any additional features or connectivity, just functional stability. So there have been improvements to the xmc1 in the last year in this regard? That’s good to hear because I’m seriously considering just going back to the original hdmi board and just forgetting about 4K for now. I agree, there’s a lot to love about the XMC1, when it’s working. Maybe a dumb question, but have you updated to the latest firmware on the XMC-1? |
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Post by petes on Aug 30, 2020 4:52:28 GMT -5
I've recently moved to the 2.0 board in my XMC-1, and I must admit, I don't really have any problems with it. I have to a) be specific with the power on sequence, which isn't a problem with a programmable remote, and set the 1.4 sources to be specified as that. Once that's done, it all seems pretty stable tbh. Switching sources is slow of course, but that's not a real problem, and ARC doesn't work for me, but that's because the ARC chip in my XMC is dead.
I've considered the move to XMC-2 but I'm on a 5.1 setup and will be staying there, and I'm in the UK, so the trade in would be a nightmare of shipping, delays and taxes. Right now, if the XMC-1 stays stable, I may well just stay here - at least until the 2.x firmware stablises, if that ever really happens. After so many delays, I do worry about some more fundamental hardware architecture problems - to still have such fundamental problems after so long does hint at something more worrying to me.
So, you might want to think about getting your XMC-1 checked over if that's practical for you - for mine, with my sources, it's pretty good.
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Post by bolle on Aug 30, 2020 7:17:56 GMT -5
The latest firmware 2.0 is a shocking embarrassment to the so called beta testers who simply did not proof test this enough and they need to be fired. I’m not joking or being overly critical here! Shame on them. It isn´t guaranteed that everything the beta testers find also gets fixed by Emotiva. Imho you blame the wrong party... There are still bugs in the UMC-200 and XMC-1 that I reported and which never got fixed. |
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Post by vcautokid on Aug 30, 2020 10:37:49 GMT -5
Here is the deal. Simple really. Do you need 4K UHD switching and pass through or can you manage your sources through your TV? Most Blue Ray though not all have separate HDMI Audio for your fancy pants audio codecs anyway like TrueHD and Atmos and so on. So the rest can live from TV switching and feed that optical output from your TV to your Processor Preamplifier or Reciever of any vintage. Doesn't matter really. Just another way to not worry about 4K UHD switching. The thing I have of note is my Sony Blue Ray and the separate HDMI for Display and Audio make it simple. No hassles and the rest flies from my TV. Solved. And no more stupid HDMI arms race that I at least refuse to play anymore. Your mileage may vary of course.
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Post by nickwin on Aug 30, 2020 11:08:55 GMT -5
Yup that’s the pretty much my situation. Not looking for any additional features or connectivity, just functional stability. So there have been improvements to the xmc1 in the last year in this regard? That’s good to hear because I’m seriously considering just going back to the original hdmi board and just forgetting about 4K for now. I agree, there’s a lot to love about the XMC1, when it’s working. Maybe a dumb question, but have you updated to the latest firmware on the XMC-1? No, my last update would have been about a year ago but I will certainly try that before I do anything else. I just don’t have a whole lot of faith in that helping because every FW update did post 2.0 board seemed to be moving my backward. Sounds like headway has been made since then though? |
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Post by nickwin on Aug 30, 2020 11:13:02 GMT -5
I've recently moved to the 2.0 board in my XMC-1, and I must admit, I don't really have any problems with it. I have to a) be specific with the power on sequence, which isn't a problem with a programmable remote, and set the 1.4 sources to be specified as that. Once that's done, it all seems pretty stable tbh. Switching sources is slow of course, but that's not a real problem, and ARC doesn't work for me, but that's because the ARC chip in my XMC is dead. I've considered the move to XMC-2 but I'm on a 5.1 setup and will be staying there, and I'm in the UK, so the trade in would be a nightmare of shipping, delays and taxes. Right now, if the XMC-1 stays stable, I may well just stay here - at least until the 2.x firmware stablises, if that ever really happens. After so many delays, I do worry about some more fundamental hardware architecture problems - to still have such fundamental problems after so long does hint at something more worrying to me. So, you might want to think about getting your XMC-1 checked over if that's practical for you - for mine, with my sources, it's pretty good. Thanks for the suggestions. I’m pretty sure I tried playing around the power on sequence back when I was troubleshoot this with no luck. I don’t remember manually setting 1.4 devices to 1.4 though, do you do this on the XMC or the sources? |
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Post by nickwin on Aug 30, 2020 11:17:35 GMT -5
Here is the deal. Simple really. Do you need 4K UHD switching and pass through or can you manage your sources through your TV? Most Blue Ray though not all have separate HDMI Audio for your fancy pants audio codecs anyway like TrueHD and Atmos and so on. So the rest can live from TV switching and feed that optical output from your TV to your Processor Preamplifier or Reciever of any vintage. Doesn't matter really. Just another way to not worry about 4K UHD switching. The thing I have of note is my Sony Blue Ray and the separate HDMI for Display and Audio make it simple. No hassles and the rest flies from my TV. Solved. And no more stupid HDMI arms race that I at least refuse to play anymore. Your mileage may vary of course. Yeah, this is more or less what I was talking about doing when I mentioned going back to the original video board. The only 4K source I really care about is Blu-ray and mine has dual HDMI outs so it would be as easy as running a second HDMI cable to the TV. I’m not even sure Emotiva would be able to get the XMC back to exactly how it was before the 2.0 upgrade though. |
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 30, 2020 11:23:34 GMT -5
Here is the deal. Simple really. Do you need 4K UHD switching and pass through or can you manage your sources through your TV? Most Blue Ray though not all have separate HDMI Audio for your fancy pants audio codecs anyway like TrueHD and Atmos and so on. So the rest can live from TV switching and feed that optical output from your TV to your Processor Preamplifier or Reciever of any vintage. Doesn't matter really. Just another way to not worry about 4K UHD switching. The thing I have of note is my Sony Blue Ray and the separate HDMI for Display and Audio make it simple. No hassles and the rest flies from my TV. Solved. And no more stupid HDMI arms race that I at least refuse to play anymore. Your mileage may vary of course. LOVE That Sony! Bought one with Bluetooth and the dual HDMI just before we got into 4k (sigh). When I don’t feel like kicking on the big system I pair it to my Bluetooth stuff in the kitchen and get entertainment on the cheap. With Samsung out of it I’ll probably buy the latest model going forward. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Aug 30, 2020 14:50:57 GMT -5
Maybe a dumb question, but have you updated to the latest firmware on the XMC-1? No, my last update would have been about a year ago but I will certainly try that before I do anything else. I just don’t have a whole lot of faith in that helping because every FW update did post 2.0 board seemed to be moving my backward. Sounds like headway has been made since then though? Let us know how it goes with the latest firmware. |
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Post by petes on Aug 30, 2020 16:14:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the suggestions. I’m pretty sure I tried playing around the power on sequence back when I was troubleshoot this with no luck. I don’t remember manually setting 1.4 devices to 1.4 though, do you do this on the XMC or the sources? It's in the input settings on the XMC, but likely wasn't there when you looked before - it was added in the later firmwares. |
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Post by hytram on Aug 31, 2020 16:52:21 GMT -5
Is the XMC-2 completely stable?
FW 1.9 and bellow... No
FW 1.10... Yes
FW 2.0... No
And seeing you need 2.0 for Dirac
The answer is no.
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 31, 2020 20:31:33 GMT -5
I have an XMC-1 with the 4K HDMI board and I have zero issues, it's running on the original firmware and I use the low power standby. I don't use the devils twins in ARC or CEC, the cause of many issues. As per signature it has a Pace (UK manufactured) cable TV box (non 4K) connected to it, I have not changed its input to 1.4 as it works OK as is. Plus a Sony 4K BDP and an Apple TV4k, all using HDMI interconnects with the Samsung 4K TV connected via a 5 metre HDMI cable. Currently it also has the ERC-3 connected to it via XLR (analogue) as my XSP-1 is in pieces waiting for the 2 replacement power supply capacitors to arrive.
Like most of its ilk, the cable TV box was a problem particularly when switching from 480 to 720 or 1080, but that disappeared about 2 years ago when they did a firmware upgrade on the box ie; the problem wasn't the XMC-1's fault.
Why some have issues with their XMC-1 and other don't I have no idea, but there are a lot of us that you don't hear from because we have nothing to complain about.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by Boomzilla on Sept 2, 2020 5:20:10 GMT -5
There's not (and never will be) ANY processor that's completely stable. There are always constant changes in video standards, audio codecs, etc. So there will always be a series of firmware updates to keep the AV processor current. As complex as processors are, it's just unrealistic to expect constant updates without something becoming unstable sometime. It's the price you pay for complexity. If it were easy, anyone could do it.
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