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Post by lokyc on Oct 2, 2020 8:42:58 GMT -5
Just thought I would put this out here for anyone who has been frustrated or lurking in the forums, waiting to commit to Emotiva.
I must say prior to committing, I had been slightly worried about all the discussions regarding lockups. And obviously looking at other brands as alternative. At the end, I do appreciate Emotiva is a relatively small company and these electronic stuff take time to sort out. Of course, tehre's the endless wait for Dirac. As a UK customer, I have yet to receive my official kit.
Recently I had the opportunity to pop in to my dealer for some kit and we had a bit of a chat as we normally do. It turns out Emotiva is far from being the only manufacturer with problems. A couple of well-known brands that had Dirac out of the box had so many issues, he had customer returns galore. He felt Emotiva did the right thing in holding off releasing Dirac as it really wasn't quite ready for market, for any device. That it is separate from the main unit is a good strategy.
since 1.10, the firmware has been really good and so is 2.1. So I think I bought it at the right time.
So let's not beat Emotiva about so much and enjoy our units. It sounds great. Its the only processor now and in the near future with balanced stereo inputs. The only manufacturer who really buy into balanced differential topology (even ATI does not have balanced stereo inputs).
Some of the handshaking for ARC could be better. But its a minor inconvenience for what is overall, a great product. Dirac was easy to setup overall, although the software does have some bugs.I did manage to get it all set up in one evening (ok I have only 5.1 which is easier too).
Credit where credit is due. Well done Emotiva!
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Post by ttocs on Oct 2, 2020 9:39:07 GMT -5
While I agree with your sentiment, I feel the need to point out that Emotiva isn't the only manufacturer with Balanced Stereo Inputs.
Other than that, you can put me in the Happy column.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 2, 2020 9:45:14 GMT -5
Just thought I would put this out here for anyone who has been frustrated or lurking in the forums, waiting to commit to Emotiva.
I must say prior to committing, I had been slightly worried about all the discussions regarding lockups. And obviously looking at other brands as alternative. At the end, I do appreciate Emotiva is a relatively small company and these electronic stuff take time to sort out. Of course, tehre's the endless wait for Dirac. As a UK customer, I have yet to receive my official kit.
Recently I had the opportunity to pop in to my dealer for some kit and we had a bit of a chat as we normally do. It turns out Emotiva is far from being the only manufacturer with problems. A couple of well-known brands that had Dirac out of the box had so many issues, he had customer returns galore. He felt Emotiva did the right thing in holding off releasing Dirac as it really wasn't quite ready for market, for any device. That it is separate from the main unit is a good strategy.
since 1.10, the firmware has been really good and so is 2.1. So I think I bought it at the right time.
So let's not beat Emotiva about so much and enjoy our units. It sounds great. Its the only processor now and in the near future with balanced stereo inputs. The only manufacturer who really buy into balanced differential topology (even ATI does not have balanced stereo inputs).
Some of the handshaking for ARC could be better. But its a minor inconvenience for what is overall, a great product. Dirac was easy to setup overall, although the software does have some bugs.I did manage to get it all set up in one evening (ok I have only 5.1 which is easier too).
Credit where credit is due. Well done Emotiva!
Good of you to point this out! Before I bought the XMC, my other processor was from Sunfire, and some of the glitches I experienced were IDENTICAL in both. My issues were resolved in both and now the EMOTIVA reigns superior of those two with both reliability and infinitely more control. The REAL devil is the industry itself, not the processors....I still feel bad for any company trying to put one out there that could be all things to an end user....canβt be done.
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 2, 2020 9:52:33 GMT -5
Happy with my XMC-2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 9:57:22 GMT -5
Three years w/ an Onkyo Pre-Pro and not a single lockup. 2 months now w/ a MiniDSP w/out a single lock up. Errors [crashing] have already reared w/ Dirac Live software itself. Does Dirac Live even offer Beta version before going final?
Note, I've never had an Emotiva pre-pro.
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 2, 2020 10:13:22 GMT -5
Who is saying Emotiva is the only manufacturer with problems?π€
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 2, 2020 11:11:48 GMT -5
Three years w/ an Onkyo Pre-Pro and not a single lockup. 2 months now w/ a MiniDSP w/out a single lock up. Errors [crashing] have already reared w/ Dirac Live software itself. Does Dirac Live even offer Beta version before going final? Note, I've never had an Emotiva pre-pro. I have had no "crashing" with my XMC-1 and XMC-2 with Dirac. I did have a learning curve initially for setup and positioning the volume and mic correctly to not get a clipping or low volume error, but no crashing. Once I figured it out, with assistance from people on this forum, no problems.
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Post by ttocs on Oct 2, 2020 11:30:48 GMT -5
Three years w/ an Onkyo Pre-Pro and not a single lockup. 2 months now w/ a MiniDSP w/out a single lock up. Errors [crashing] have already reared w/ Dirac Live software itself. Does Dirac Live even offer Beta version before going final? Note, I've never had an Emotiva pre-pro. I have had no "crashing" with my XMC-1 and XMC-2 with Dirac. I did have a learning curve initially for setup and positioning the volume and mic correctly to not get a clipping or low volume error, but no crashing. Once I figured it out, with assistance from people on this forum, no problems. It came to light about a week ago that there can be issues with Dirac when using the UMIK-1 microphone depending on how the mic was setup at the factory. For the last 2+ years the sensitivity setting is set to 18dB specifically to work better for Dirac at the lower measurement volume it generally operates at. The previous UMIK-1 mics were set to 12dB which needs higher volume level due to the lower sensitivity setting, but this can cause Clipping Errors with Dirac, making the Dirac Volume Calibration setting more difficult to achieve without errors of either Clipping or Signal To Noise. This sensitivity setting is user adjustable via an internal DIP switch. edit: To discover which sensitivity setting the UMIK has, you can use REW. REW reports the mic sensitivity while in REW Preferences.
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Post by steelman1991 on Oct 2, 2020 12:14:57 GMT -5
Just thought I would put this out here for anyone who has been frustrated or lurking in the forums, waiting to commit to Emotiva.
I must say prior to committing, I had been slightly worried about all the discussions regarding lockups. And obviously looking at other brands as alternative. At the end, I do appreciate Emotiva is a relatively small company and these electronic stuff take time to sort out. Of course, tehre's the endless wait for Dirac. As a UK customer, I have yet to receive my official kit.
Recently I had the opportunity to pop in to my dealer for some kit and we had a bit of a chat as we normally do. It turns out Emotiva is far from being the only manufacturer with problems. A couple of well-known brands that had Dirac out of the box had so many issues, he had customer returns galore. He felt Emotiva did the right thing in holding off releasing Dirac as it really wasn't quite ready for market, for any device. That it is separate from the main unit is a good strategy.
since 1.10, the firmware has been really good and so is 2.1. So I think I bought it at the right time.
So let's not beat Emotiva about so much and enjoy our units. It sounds great. Its the only processor now and in the near future with balanced stereo inputs. The only manufacturer who really buy into balanced differential topology (even ATI does not have balanced stereo inputs).
Some of the handshaking for ARC could be better. But its a minor inconvenience for what is overall, a great product. Dirac was easy to setup overall, although the software does have some bugs.I did manage to get it all set up in one evening (ok I have only 5.1 which is easier too).
Credit where credit is due. Well done Emotiva!
Dirac kit has been available in the UK for about 3 weeks now mate - through Karma AV - Emotiva distributors. Give them or your dealer a call and get them to sort you out.
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Post by rbk123 on Oct 2, 2020 15:31:23 GMT -5
Do you notice that whenever people post how Emo isn't the only one that has bugs, the other problematic devices are always the generic "other well known brands" and never actual brand names or models?
Clearly Emo's new line is now quite solid since the noise has pretty much ended. Now it's all about small refinements and tweaks.
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Post by megash0n on Oct 2, 2020 15:35:08 GMT -5
Do you notice that whenever people post how Emo isn't the only one that has bugs, the other problematic devices are always the generic "other well known brands" and never actual brand names or models? Clearly Emo's new line is now quite solid since the noise has pretty much ended. Now it's all about small refinements and tweaks. The eye of a hurricane is pretty calm too. π
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Post by Thunderduck on Oct 2, 2020 15:44:28 GMT -5
Do you notice that whenever people post how Emo isn't the only one that has bugs, the other problematic devices are always the generic "other well known brands" and never actual brand names or models? Clearly Emo's new line is now quite solid since the noise has pretty much ended. Now it's all about small refinements and tweaks. I am not going to get into a name calling debate about which brands have issues besides Emotiva and I am not defending Emotiva as well. There is no question that there were and still are issues with their new processors. But they are not the only ones as can be seen at the link below: www.avsforum.com/threads/jbl-synthesis-sdp-55-16ch-9-1-6-atmos-surround-sound-processor.3090298/page-163#post-60141855Check out the thread at AVS on this processor if you want an example. JBL Synthesis SDP-55 (16ch, 9.1.6 Atmos Surround Sound Processor)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 16:09:47 GMT -5
Do you notice that whenever people post how Emo isn't the only one that has bugs, the other problematic devices are always the generic "other well known brands" and never actual brand names or models? Clearly Emo's new line is now quite solid since the noise has pretty much ended. Now it's all about small refinements and tweaks. The eye of a hurricane is pretty calm too. π Any manufacturer I buy from if told we're not the only one w/ problems, they'd become on my never again list. I expect the product I bought to work w/out issues as delivered w/ the software included. As software evolves through updates ....... I understand why bugs surface. However, before going w/ another Pre-Pro I listened to members of this board and decided not to actually upgrade my existing three yrs old Pre-Pro but add two pieces to bring it back up to date. The MiniDSP DDRC-88A w/ Bass Management utilizing Dirac Live 3 and the Bluesound Node 2i for latest high resolution streaming. I have no need to replace my Pre-Pro now and total costs to upgrade the existing Pre-Pro which actually acts as nothing more than a source switcher ........ 1500.00. Far cheaper than the Anthem AVM60 I was looking towards for nearly 2800-3000.00.
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Post by megash0n on Oct 2, 2020 16:31:05 GMT -5
The eye of a hurricane is pretty calm too. π Any manufacturer I buy from if told we're not the only one w/ problems, they'd become on my never again list.Β I expect the product I bought to work w/out issues as delivered w/ the software included. As software evolves through updates ....... I understand why bugs surface.Β However, before going w/ another Pre-Pro I listened to members of this board and decided not to actually upgrade my existing three yrs old Pre-Pro but add two pieces to bring it back up to date. The MiniDSP DDRC-88A w/ Bass Management utilizing Dirac Live 3 and theΒ Bluesound Node 2i for latest high resolution streaming. I have no need to replace my Pre-Pro now and total costs to upgrade the existing Pre-Pro which actually acts as nothing more than a source switcher ........ 1500.00. Far cheaper than the Anthem AVM60 I was looking towards for nearly 2800-3000.00. I would for sure downsize/replace if I knew the timeline on DBC. If I could have more easily gotten immersive sound on my Marantz 8002, I would have happily went your route and saved some cash. The Marantz sounded ok, but I never loved the way it sounded. But, it only locked up twice in 10 years and I almost never turned it off. What would be cool is if one could combine a HD fury device to do all the HDMI switching with a MiniDSP model that had high end DACs and balanced outputs. HD fury feeds the MiniDSP unprotected audio, so there likely is no issue there. The MiniDSPs could be chained together with multiple devices to expand channel count while running the full Dirac suite across the board. Then, pick your amps and speakers. While this doesn't help many people that enjoy other types of inputs, for me... All I care about is great sound, my XBOX and my HTPC. All HDMI.. ALL digital. Maybe this exists and I'm not looking at the picture correctly. Thoughts? (Sorry, I got a little off topic).
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 2, 2020 17:16:00 GMT -5
Who is saying Emotiva is the only manufacturer with problems?π€ Now I am repeating myself. I must've had a long week...π
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Post by Mikomill on Oct 2, 2020 17:31:44 GMT -5
Read the RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 Owners Thread (Post Firmware v1.10) and the Official RMC-1 OWNERS Thread. You can decide for yourself who said what.
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Post by cwt on Oct 2, 2020 21:54:21 GMT -5
While I agree with your sentiment, I feel the need to point out that Emotiva isn't the only manufacturer with Balanced Stereo Inputs. Other than that, you can put me in the Happy column. The good thing is that unlike all the other Arcams and derivative brands the Emo's are dual differential input to output depending on model ; not single ended converted to balanced like a JBL Synthesis or Audio control. If analogue stereo reproduction is important its a plus
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Post by ttocs on Oct 2, 2020 22:50:32 GMT -5
While I agree with your sentiment, I feel the need to point out that Emotiva isn't the only manufacturer with Balanced Stereo Inputs. Other than that, you can put me in the Happy column. The good thing is that unlike all the other Arcams and derivative brands the Emo's are dual differential input to output depending on model ; not single ended converted to balanced like a JBL Synthesis or Audio control. If analogue stereo reproduction is important its a plus Yeah, I was wondering about the dual differential spec. One brand that I tried checking into was Trinnov, but they don't get very deep into the specs, it just says "Balanced". For their prices I'd expect only the best, but who knows what they mean by "Balanced"?
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Post by lokyc on Oct 30, 2020 19:33:49 GMT -5
While I agree with your sentiment, I feel the need to point out that Emotiva isn't the only manufacturer with Balanced Stereo Inputs. Other than that, you can put me in the Happy column. Meant to add, under 10 grand....
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Post by lokyc on Oct 30, 2020 19:38:56 GMT -5
Do you notice that whenever people post how Emo isn't the only one that has bugs, the other problematic devices are always the generic "other well known brands" and never actual brand names or models? Clearly Emo's new line is now quite solid since the noise has pretty much ended. Now it's all about small refinements and tweaks. The reason being I like my dealer. He has a business to run. We get on well and its a conversation in confidence. I will not be surprised if its an open secret, but still lots of lurkers on forums, and I don't want them to get into any trouble.
But you can join the dots. What processors on the market are feature wise direct competitors to the Emo. It's not rocket science.
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