Garbulky's Sennheiser HD800S Review
Aug 15, 2021 14:03:36 GMT -5
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Post by garbulky on Aug 15, 2021 14:03:36 GMT -5
This review comes in two versions (just like the HD800S!) - the TLDR short bit and The Saga
TLDR (THE SHORT BIT):
Look at it like this: The HD800S comes in two flavors. Stock HD800S and HD800S eq’d with the Garage Kameleon eq AND the Schiit Loki mini plus. (I recommend setting the Loki at 2 o’clock on the bass and nothing else).
Using stock HD800S, you’ll have impressive soundstage, and detail. However you will also get ear-piercing treble and lack luster bass extension and punch. The treble tone may make you want to stop listening, that’s how bad it can be. It’s still an HD800S so yeah, it’s going to sound good, but among the greatest? No. Compared to stock HD800S, the HD700 with the modhouse mod won because of its superior tone.
In eq’d mode, the performance equation changes! It earns the $2100 cost of the headphones + associated eqs. It puts out a crowd pleasing presentation Coming in with extreme resolution, a large scale sound, that just sounds right and immersive all at the same time. An ear tickler, this headphone is for sure. The bass goes all the way down to the floor with lots of punch and warmth. They aren’t shy! These aren’t the HD600s! The headphones are extremely quick changing from soft to loud on a dime and still allowing soft instruments to shine in the background of the loud volume. These headphones are legendary capable of producing sound whose clarity most speakers would struggle to reproduce. Its uncanny ability to produce a soundfield that is outside of your head is very impressive - though it is still close to the head.
Are they a bargain? No. Do they earn their price tag? Yes! Are they end-game? I think so. These do everything I’m looking for in quality, full frequency reproduction, and listening satisfaction. The only critique is that it’s a little too heavy for my weak neck. Also, I just know this cable is eventually going to fail, just like every sennheiser cable I have used (and the replacement is very expensive).
The Sennheiser Saga (Long version)
Associated equipment:
Musiland Digital Times (BNC) to Emotiva DC-1 (output RCA).
to Garage 1217 Kameleon eq to Schiit Loki mini plus eq (0.5 m Schiit PYYST Cable) (2 o’clock on bass).
Emotiva Bas-X A-100 with jumper engaged for full power -> HD800S.
A journey can be its own reward. Here is the saga where I arrived at my end-game headphones, the Sennheiser HD800S.
The HD800S was an upgrade that was about 15 years in the making.
Starting out with not enough cash, I was able to squeeze out the dough for a pair of refurbished HD600. There were very few amps that could power this headphone well and it showed. And so began the love/hate relationship with Sennheiser. Constantly impressed and constantly missing something. Over a decade, the HD600’s went through all kinds of rough handling. Despite most of its parts being repaired or replaced several times over, its core drivers survived intact to this day and still produce music.
The HD600’s disadvantage is that the soundstage was very close to your head. The bass was also not well extended and isn’t all that detailed compared to the better sennheisers. However the tone was fantastic straight out of the box. The headphones were very easy to listen to but I wanted it to sound like my speakers and the HD600’s couldn’t manage this feat.
A decade later came the HD700’s. These revolutionized what I expected out of headphones. Bringing a large part of the HD800S’ soundstage outside your head sensation, this headphone certainly thrilled. It had noticeably better dynamic power, able to handle dynamic swings that the HD600 couldn’t do, leaving much less smear. In my opinion, this is one of the best buys $500 and under. Too bad it’s no longer available.
And with it came the need for mods. The HD700 had the problem of being harsh on the treble. A $15 reversible mod by modhouse audio was just the ticket for enjoyable sound and tonality. But the main problem with the HD700 was though the bass did go deeper and clearer than the HD600, there was a noticeable bass roll off, where you know you are missing bass information. I found myself turning the volume up to the point of it being uncomfortable to feel the fullness of the bass.
That was my motivation to step up to the HD800S. I was tired of upgrading. I had already achieved amp satisfaction with the XPA-1 gen 2. The DC-1 was an impressive DAC that satisfied overall, though I felt the multibit dacs had a bit of an edge at times. My speakers sounded great. But my headphones were still not scratching the itch.
My choices were somewhat limited. With a back and neck that had problems, I couldn’t go for the hifiman uber heavy weight units. I was also mostly satisfied and believed Sennheiser could deliver the goods. I just needed a headphone that satisfied everything I wanted overall. Would the HD800S be it?
I ordered the HD800S. I also replaced it with Dekoni elite hybroud velour pads which I felt had a nice thicker feel.
HD800S in the house.
Here is the comparison with the three headphones. The HD800S clearly has significantly larger drivers. The HD700 is lighter and therefore easier on my neck. The HD600 HD 700 take the crown for comfort. The HD700 has the thickest cable but it is also the most inflexible. I personally liked the cable but nevertheless the cable finally failed, just like all the HD600 cables did. The HD800S cable is a mix - it is less thick than the HD700 but in return it offers more flexibility.
There is more metal present and an overall better build quality on the HD800S. Is it worth the $1700 price tag? Well, no, but it still feels there were some decent materials put in to its construction. The HD700 on the other hand did not feel like it represented a high quality build that was expected of its price.
Initial impressions:
Were… not good. Boy I was disappointed. These headphones, just like the HD700 needed breaking in, and by that, I mean a LOT of breaking in. I thought a day or two of constant music played overnight would do, but the truth is they gradually improved over the course of several weeks. At the beginning the tone was completely off. I was thinking, how could they have released it? Nevertheless, there were several hints of greatness, so I had patience.
In the end, the tone mellowed out well. But what didn’t was the treble still peaked to the point of being too painful for my ears. The other was that the bass simply did not extend deep. I wanted a full range headphone and this was bass-lite due to the roll off, similar to the HD700. In stock configuration, I just can’t recommend the HD800S (in stock configuration) due to the price and the treble and bass issues. The HD700 with the modhouse modification is simply a better buy in my opinion.
I was going to send these back. But I decided to stick with it and see what could I do with these.
Taking the eq plunge kicking and screaming
In the end, it required these two eq’s to make it work. The first was an amazing piece of gear called the Kameleon eq created by solderdude and sold by Garage 1217 . It is an all analog eq which uses a custom analog equalizer is fitted on to a slot on the main board. Each equalizer board is designed for a particular headphones.
Adding the Kameleon immediately corrected the treble issues. It also gave a more pleasing punch to everything in the mids. You can see the custom exposed eq in the middle there.
It looks fantastic!
Unfortunately, the bass was not extended or powerful enough. Solderdude graciously offered to create another custom module with more bass. I probably should have accepted. But instead, I ordered the Schiit Audio Loki Mini plus along with their short schiit PSYYT cable. I chained these two together. Then I dialed up the Schiit eq to the two o-clock position on the lowest bass dial.
And pow! There it was. The sound I had been looking for.
For those wondering whether the Schiit eq was able to do just as well by itself. The answer is no. Eq’ing the treble with the Schiit did improve things a little but it still left some unnatural treble tone which was a deal breaker. The eq region in the treble the schiit could adjust for wasn’t exactly what was needed to be adjusted. The Kameleon makes more discrete adjustments, after which the Schiit was able to provide the bass boost that was needed.
And I felt the Loki mini plus was a little bit clearer than the original mini. However, that could have come entirely to the longer wire I previously used with the old mini.
Finally how transparent is the eq stack? When you add one eq it's pretty transparent. When you add two, there is a slight change. I am very picky on transparency which is why I avoided eqs. So just trust me when I say you will be getting TONS of detail and though not perfect, it is sufficiently transparent for the purpose. This is also a fully analog signal path so your DACs output signal is preserved in the analog realm.
Sound impressions with eq
Wow, it is a real pleasure to hear the HD800S (eq’d). They are truly a legend. Able to go extremely deep (it has usable output to 25 hz though it is slightly rolled off at this point). It is wonderful to know that you are not missing the full frequency spectrum. Depending on how you tweak the bass dial, this is a seriously punchy headphone. The HD800S have greater dynamic capability than the HD700. It’s able to go significantly louder than other headphones I’ve heard while maintaining coherence.
This yields a big large sound. For those that have big screens, these headphones sound stunning for home theater, able to match the scale of the big screens. You want a home theater experience on headphones? This is the headphones for it. Able to extend super low while delivering punch and subtle details while swinging to extremely loud volumes on a dime.
With the eq, the tone issues have finally been fixed! Their legendary large soundstage is on full display here. I was worried that the HD800S’s soundstage would yield “small thin music” on an artificially enlarged soundstage as some people on youtube complained about.
With the eq, this didn’t happen. The scale of the music was BIG. However, make no mistake, the soundstage is still not all that far your ears and head. It doesn’t extend out in to infinite space like the hype you read. These are definitely headphones.
Nevertheless, the soundstage is far bigger than any other headphone has been able to do. This really does make it a good alternative to speakers because the sound IS spacious and you don’t feel it squeezed in next to your head. Can improvements be had in headspace? YES. Have I heard anything close to this in competing brands? NO. Currently, I find myself enjoying my headphones more than my speakers, so take from that what you will.
The HD800S has the ability to provide almost ridiculous amounts of details. It is much easier to follow all the instrumental lines of all the backing instruments. There is well-discerned separation of instruments to previously unheard of levels. This is one of the ways the high end is distinguished. WHen every instrument has their own space, presence, and realism regardless if it’s part of the background or not.
For instance, harmonies the hd800s shines very well. In vocal ensembles it is much easier t odistinguish who is singing what note. Versus just hearing a combination of voices singing, you know know who is singing and what note they are singing, whether the harmony singer is doing any different inflections from the main singer etc.
Listen to any of the Petersens songs to see how well the HD800S can separate harmonies and instruments.
The high resolution allows the HD800S to be a sort of chameleon. It adapts to the needs of the record sounding different according to the acoustics of the place or the quality of the microphones. The good news is with the eq, I haven’t yet heard a song that didn’t sound good or impressive.
A final nod to the warmth and bass. This allows an enveloping soundfield which is stunning and pleasing at the same time. A great example of this is Hunter Elizabeth and Josh radin’s Bring It On Home To Me.
Amping:
Let me cut to the chase. The Emotiva Bas-x A-100 is what you need for this headphone, especially if you are eqing. It’s CHEAP. The hiss isn’t (too) noticeable because of the high impedance. And OMG it’s got so much power on tap you just don’t have to worry about running out. Where other amps may struggle with pushing out the power needed to drive the bass on these monsters, the A-100 simply doesn’t break a sweat. Remember to use it in direct drive mode with the jumper engaged.
Here’s the reason for all that ridiculous amount of power.
How many other headphone amps have that to drive a set of headphones?
(Ok fine, maybe the Ragnarok 2 lol)
Cost Proposition and the need for tweaking
I know this would bother you as it did me. I am the kind who hates to eq. Why would you run a signal you spent so much time to get to the highest quality to through more active stages? I don’t want the transparency robbed! Why isn’t a headphone that retails for $1700 require TWO boxes. And keep in mind, there is no instructions available on the internet that you need these two boxes. The Kameleon eq is barely known on the internet. The Schiit eq doesn’t have any standardized eq for the HD800S. So why should YOU be experimenting with this when you just spent $1700? After all going for both boxes is going to cost you about $400 on top of that, just based on my word.
Think about this to really benefit from these headphones you need four boxes FOUR!
Dac, two eq’s, and an amp.
And no you can’t move around with these on your head. They are definitely not portable. Don’t bother plugging it in to your phone.
So, I hear ya. I really do. I was quite annoyed and about to send it back. The headphones are a little too heavy for my neck and spending $1700 to be insulted by a not perfect sound made me want to send it back.
But is it worth putting in that extra effort?
Let’s look. The HD800S has been measured to produce extremely low distortion sound and at high spl too.
Look at that. At 94 db you have a MAX distortion of 1.75% across the entire audio band- That’s less than lots of tube amps.. That 1.75% peak at 20 hz where you can get away with 20% THD. Anything above 50hz is less than 1% distortion - that’s less than a lot of amplifier rating figures! From 100hz upwards you have THD levels below 0.25% distortion - beating a lot of amplifiers.
Does that sound too techy? Well how about this. For 99.5% of the audible frequency band, distortion of these ear-speakers is at 0.25% THD which is just insane!
Conclusion
So are these the greatest headphones in the world? I wouldn’t presume that they are. However, they are undoubtedly one of the legends. Extremely immersive and engaging. Always a showman. The kind of headphones where you can hang your hat up and possibly say “end-game”.
...if and only IF you eq. Punch, power, detail, extreme resolution, immersion, tone, soundstage, it’s got all of that.
Yes they should have just included the eq in there for $1700 or given us a clear add on we could purchase - and they didn’t do it.
If you don’t eq, I don’t recommend you buying it. It simply doesn’t have all of what you need for the price you pay!
monkumonku Boomzilla Darksky
audiobill Golden Ear
hemster LCSeminole KeithL
TLDR (THE SHORT BIT):
Look at it like this: The HD800S comes in two flavors. Stock HD800S and HD800S eq’d with the Garage Kameleon eq AND the Schiit Loki mini plus. (I recommend setting the Loki at 2 o’clock on the bass and nothing else).
Using stock HD800S, you’ll have impressive soundstage, and detail. However you will also get ear-piercing treble and lack luster bass extension and punch. The treble tone may make you want to stop listening, that’s how bad it can be. It’s still an HD800S so yeah, it’s going to sound good, but among the greatest? No. Compared to stock HD800S, the HD700 with the modhouse mod won because of its superior tone.
In eq’d mode, the performance equation changes! It earns the $2100 cost of the headphones + associated eqs. It puts out a crowd pleasing presentation Coming in with extreme resolution, a large scale sound, that just sounds right and immersive all at the same time. An ear tickler, this headphone is for sure. The bass goes all the way down to the floor with lots of punch and warmth. They aren’t shy! These aren’t the HD600s! The headphones are extremely quick changing from soft to loud on a dime and still allowing soft instruments to shine in the background of the loud volume. These headphones are legendary capable of producing sound whose clarity most speakers would struggle to reproduce. Its uncanny ability to produce a soundfield that is outside of your head is very impressive - though it is still close to the head.
Are they a bargain? No. Do they earn their price tag? Yes! Are they end-game? I think so. These do everything I’m looking for in quality, full frequency reproduction, and listening satisfaction. The only critique is that it’s a little too heavy for my weak neck. Also, I just know this cable is eventually going to fail, just like every sennheiser cable I have used (and the replacement is very expensive).
The Sennheiser Saga (Long version)
Associated equipment:
Musiland Digital Times (BNC) to Emotiva DC-1 (output RCA).
to Garage 1217 Kameleon eq to Schiit Loki mini plus eq (0.5 m Schiit PYYST Cable) (2 o’clock on bass).
Emotiva Bas-X A-100 with jumper engaged for full power -> HD800S.
A journey can be its own reward. Here is the saga where I arrived at my end-game headphones, the Sennheiser HD800S.
The HD800S was an upgrade that was about 15 years in the making.
Starting out with not enough cash, I was able to squeeze out the dough for a pair of refurbished HD600. There were very few amps that could power this headphone well and it showed. And so began the love/hate relationship with Sennheiser. Constantly impressed and constantly missing something. Over a decade, the HD600’s went through all kinds of rough handling. Despite most of its parts being repaired or replaced several times over, its core drivers survived intact to this day and still produce music.
The HD600’s disadvantage is that the soundstage was very close to your head. The bass was also not well extended and isn’t all that detailed compared to the better sennheisers. However the tone was fantastic straight out of the box. The headphones were very easy to listen to but I wanted it to sound like my speakers and the HD600’s couldn’t manage this feat.
A decade later came the HD700’s. These revolutionized what I expected out of headphones. Bringing a large part of the HD800S’ soundstage outside your head sensation, this headphone certainly thrilled. It had noticeably better dynamic power, able to handle dynamic swings that the HD600 couldn’t do, leaving much less smear. In my opinion, this is one of the best buys $500 and under. Too bad it’s no longer available.
And with it came the need for mods. The HD700 had the problem of being harsh on the treble. A $15 reversible mod by modhouse audio was just the ticket for enjoyable sound and tonality. But the main problem with the HD700 was though the bass did go deeper and clearer than the HD600, there was a noticeable bass roll off, where you know you are missing bass information. I found myself turning the volume up to the point of it being uncomfortable to feel the fullness of the bass.
That was my motivation to step up to the HD800S. I was tired of upgrading. I had already achieved amp satisfaction with the XPA-1 gen 2. The DC-1 was an impressive DAC that satisfied overall, though I felt the multibit dacs had a bit of an edge at times. My speakers sounded great. But my headphones were still not scratching the itch.
My choices were somewhat limited. With a back and neck that had problems, I couldn’t go for the hifiman uber heavy weight units. I was also mostly satisfied and believed Sennheiser could deliver the goods. I just needed a headphone that satisfied everything I wanted overall. Would the HD800S be it?
I ordered the HD800S. I also replaced it with Dekoni elite hybroud velour pads which I felt had a nice thicker feel.
HD800S in the house.
Here is the comparison with the three headphones. The HD800S clearly has significantly larger drivers. The HD700 is lighter and therefore easier on my neck. The HD600 HD 700 take the crown for comfort. The HD700 has the thickest cable but it is also the most inflexible. I personally liked the cable but nevertheless the cable finally failed, just like all the HD600 cables did. The HD800S cable is a mix - it is less thick than the HD700 but in return it offers more flexibility.
There is more metal present and an overall better build quality on the HD800S. Is it worth the $1700 price tag? Well, no, but it still feels there were some decent materials put in to its construction. The HD700 on the other hand did not feel like it represented a high quality build that was expected of its price.
Initial impressions:
Were… not good. Boy I was disappointed. These headphones, just like the HD700 needed breaking in, and by that, I mean a LOT of breaking in. I thought a day or two of constant music played overnight would do, but the truth is they gradually improved over the course of several weeks. At the beginning the tone was completely off. I was thinking, how could they have released it? Nevertheless, there were several hints of greatness, so I had patience.
In the end, the tone mellowed out well. But what didn’t was the treble still peaked to the point of being too painful for my ears. The other was that the bass simply did not extend deep. I wanted a full range headphone and this was bass-lite due to the roll off, similar to the HD700. In stock configuration, I just can’t recommend the HD800S (in stock configuration) due to the price and the treble and bass issues. The HD700 with the modhouse modification is simply a better buy in my opinion.
I was going to send these back. But I decided to stick with it and see what could I do with these.
Taking the eq plunge kicking and screaming
In the end, it required these two eq’s to make it work. The first was an amazing piece of gear called the Kameleon eq created by solderdude and sold by Garage 1217 . It is an all analog eq which uses a custom analog equalizer is fitted on to a slot on the main board. Each equalizer board is designed for a particular headphones.
Adding the Kameleon immediately corrected the treble issues. It also gave a more pleasing punch to everything in the mids. You can see the custom exposed eq in the middle there.
It looks fantastic!
Unfortunately, the bass was not extended or powerful enough. Solderdude graciously offered to create another custom module with more bass. I probably should have accepted. But instead, I ordered the Schiit Audio Loki Mini plus along with their short schiit PSYYT cable. I chained these two together. Then I dialed up the Schiit eq to the two o-clock position on the lowest bass dial.
And pow! There it was. The sound I had been looking for.
For those wondering whether the Schiit eq was able to do just as well by itself. The answer is no. Eq’ing the treble with the Schiit did improve things a little but it still left some unnatural treble tone which was a deal breaker. The eq region in the treble the schiit could adjust for wasn’t exactly what was needed to be adjusted. The Kameleon makes more discrete adjustments, after which the Schiit was able to provide the bass boost that was needed.
And I felt the Loki mini plus was a little bit clearer than the original mini. However, that could have come entirely to the longer wire I previously used with the old mini.
Finally how transparent is the eq stack? When you add one eq it's pretty transparent. When you add two, there is a slight change. I am very picky on transparency which is why I avoided eqs. So just trust me when I say you will be getting TONS of detail and though not perfect, it is sufficiently transparent for the purpose. This is also a fully analog signal path so your DACs output signal is preserved in the analog realm.
Sound impressions with eq
Wow, it is a real pleasure to hear the HD800S (eq’d). They are truly a legend. Able to go extremely deep (it has usable output to 25 hz though it is slightly rolled off at this point). It is wonderful to know that you are not missing the full frequency spectrum. Depending on how you tweak the bass dial, this is a seriously punchy headphone. The HD800S have greater dynamic capability than the HD700. It’s able to go significantly louder than other headphones I’ve heard while maintaining coherence.
This yields a big large sound. For those that have big screens, these headphones sound stunning for home theater, able to match the scale of the big screens. You want a home theater experience on headphones? This is the headphones for it. Able to extend super low while delivering punch and subtle details while swinging to extremely loud volumes on a dime.
With the eq, the tone issues have finally been fixed! Their legendary large soundstage is on full display here. I was worried that the HD800S’s soundstage would yield “small thin music” on an artificially enlarged soundstage as some people on youtube complained about.
With the eq, this didn’t happen. The scale of the music was BIG. However, make no mistake, the soundstage is still not all that far your ears and head. It doesn’t extend out in to infinite space like the hype you read. These are definitely headphones.
Nevertheless, the soundstage is far bigger than any other headphone has been able to do. This really does make it a good alternative to speakers because the sound IS spacious and you don’t feel it squeezed in next to your head. Can improvements be had in headspace? YES. Have I heard anything close to this in competing brands? NO. Currently, I find myself enjoying my headphones more than my speakers, so take from that what you will.
The HD800S has the ability to provide almost ridiculous amounts of details. It is much easier to follow all the instrumental lines of all the backing instruments. There is well-discerned separation of instruments to previously unheard of levels. This is one of the ways the high end is distinguished. WHen every instrument has their own space, presence, and realism regardless if it’s part of the background or not.
For instance, harmonies the hd800s shines very well. In vocal ensembles it is much easier t odistinguish who is singing what note. Versus just hearing a combination of voices singing, you know know who is singing and what note they are singing, whether the harmony singer is doing any different inflections from the main singer etc.
Listen to any of the Petersens songs to see how well the HD800S can separate harmonies and instruments.
The high resolution allows the HD800S to be a sort of chameleon. It adapts to the needs of the record sounding different according to the acoustics of the place or the quality of the microphones. The good news is with the eq, I haven’t yet heard a song that didn’t sound good or impressive.
A final nod to the warmth and bass. This allows an enveloping soundfield which is stunning and pleasing at the same time. A great example of this is Hunter Elizabeth and Josh radin’s Bring It On Home To Me.
Amping:
Let me cut to the chase. The Emotiva Bas-x A-100 is what you need for this headphone, especially if you are eqing. It’s CHEAP. The hiss isn’t (too) noticeable because of the high impedance. And OMG it’s got so much power on tap you just don’t have to worry about running out. Where other amps may struggle with pushing out the power needed to drive the bass on these monsters, the A-100 simply doesn’t break a sweat. Remember to use it in direct drive mode with the jumper engaged.
Here’s the reason for all that ridiculous amount of power.
How many other headphone amps have that to drive a set of headphones?
(Ok fine, maybe the Ragnarok 2 lol) Cost Proposition and the need for tweaking
I know this would bother you as it did me. I am the kind who hates to eq. Why would you run a signal you spent so much time to get to the highest quality to through more active stages? I don’t want the transparency robbed! Why isn’t a headphone that retails for $1700 require TWO boxes. And keep in mind, there is no instructions available on the internet that you need these two boxes. The Kameleon eq is barely known on the internet. The Schiit eq doesn’t have any standardized eq for the HD800S. So why should YOU be experimenting with this when you just spent $1700? After all going for both boxes is going to cost you about $400 on top of that, just based on my word.
Think about this to really benefit from these headphones you need four boxes FOUR!
Dac, two eq’s, and an amp.
And no you can’t move around with these on your head. They are definitely not portable. Don’t bother plugging it in to your phone.
So, I hear ya. I really do. I was quite annoyed and about to send it back. The headphones are a little too heavy for my neck and spending $1700 to be insulted by a not perfect sound made me want to send it back.
But is it worth putting in that extra effort?
Let’s look. The HD800S has been measured to produce extremely low distortion sound and at high spl too.
Look at that. At 94 db you have a MAX distortion of 1.75% across the entire audio band- That’s less than lots of tube amps.. That 1.75% peak at 20 hz where you can get away with 20% THD. Anything above 50hz is less than 1% distortion - that’s less than a lot of amplifier rating figures! From 100hz upwards you have THD levels below 0.25% distortion - beating a lot of amplifiers.
Does that sound too techy? Well how about this. For 99.5% of the audible frequency band, distortion of these ear-speakers is at 0.25% THD which is just insane!
Conclusion
So are these the greatest headphones in the world? I wouldn’t presume that they are. However, they are undoubtedly one of the legends. Extremely immersive and engaging. Always a showman. The kind of headphones where you can hang your hat up and possibly say “end-game”.
...if and only IF you eq. Punch, power, detail, extreme resolution, immersion, tone, soundstage, it’s got all of that.
Yes they should have just included the eq in there for $1700 or given us a clear add on we could purchase - and they didn’t do it.
If you don’t eq, I don’t recommend you buying it. It simply doesn’t have all of what you need for the price you pay!
monkumonku Boomzilla Darksky
audiobill Golden Ear
hemster LCSeminole KeithL
